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caramba
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The final ATP event of the year is here, The World Tour Finals in London.
Odds for this event as we speak are:
Roger Federer 1.71
Rafael Nadal 7.8
Alexander Zverev 12
Grigor Dimitrov 12
Marin Cilic 14.5
David Goffin 42
Dominic Thiem 46
Jack Sock 50
Alternates: Pablo Carreno Busta, Sam Querrey

Group Boris Becker
Federer
Zverev
Cilic
Sock

Group Pete Sampras
Nadal
Thiem
Dimitrov
Goffin

There will be two matches per day in the group stages, one NB 14.00 UKT and one NB 20.00 UKT and then we will have semifinals and final next weekend.

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Report n88uk November 13, 2017 10:10 PM GMT
4 match points gone.
Report thepunter November 13, 2017 10:11 PM GMT
Muffin failed to serve out as well after having absolutly no problem on serve the whole set...
Report thepunter November 13, 2017 10:12 PM GMT
Thing is he has still the game to beat Nadal today, so wouldnt write him off.
Report n88uk November 13, 2017 10:17 PM GMT
He should still win on the pattern of the match really. He's been the better player.
Report ayt November 13, 2017 10:30 PM GMT
Break it goffin
Report ayt November 13, 2017 10:30 PM GMT
15-30
Report ayt November 13, 2017 10:31 PM GMT
15-40
Report ayt November 13, 2017 10:32 PM GMT
Goffinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Report thepunter November 13, 2017 10:53 PM GMT
great fix from start to end.
Report thepunter November 13, 2017 10:53 PM GMT
2 motherfeckers of the highest order
Report ayt November 13, 2017 10:57 PM GMT
thepunter,dont follow urself in tennis,,follow the great Ayt to the clover.
Report n88uk November 13, 2017 11:13 PM GMT
Nadal withdraws.
Report caramba November 13, 2017 11:58 PM GMT
Sabalenka to play in 2 hrs. And clear fave against Doi after having played only about 30 hrs ago and travelled all the way to Taipei.
Report edy November 14, 2017 12:14 AM GMT
She's not on Tuesday's order of play.
Report caramba November 14, 2017 12:31 AM GMT
betfair mugging then.
Report tof November 14, 2017 3:04 PM GMT
Cilic so lucky there ...
Report tof November 14, 2017 4:48 PM GMT
Marion !!!
Report n88uk November 14, 2017 8:12 PM GMT
Zverev free yen.
Report mouse trap November 15, 2017 9:09 AM GMT
good morning
Report wisewords November 15, 2017 12:01 PM GMT
good morning mousetrap and tennis fans!
Report mesmerised November 15, 2017 2:49 PM GMT
Can't bare the false, middle aged matey banter between Castle and Henman, would rather listen to high pitched vixen in heat sounds calling out for a sh@g all night long.
Report wisewords November 15, 2017 2:53 PM GMT

Nov 15, 2017 -- 8:49AM, mesmerised wrote:


Can't bare the false, middle aged matey banter between Castle and Henman, would rather listen to high pitched vixen in heat sounds calling out for a sh@g all night long.


no Sky Sports in the mansion? tsk tsk.

Report mesmerised November 15, 2017 3:09 PM GMT
Yeah, moving from Andrew Castle to Barry Cowan, what an upgradeLaugh
Report mesmerised November 15, 2017 8:01 PM GMT
Somebody needs to teach Jamie Delgado how to seat on a chair properly, legs wider than the Blackball tunnel.
Report mesmerised November 15, 2017 8:31 PM GMT
Thiem is the Chief ball basher of the men game.
Report mesmerised November 17, 2017 2:17 PM GMT
no posts on this thread for 2 days ?

Anyone watching Thiem - Goffin at all
Report caramba November 17, 2017 2:38 PM GMT
quite a turnaround in this set.
Report mesmerised November 17, 2017 2:49 PM GMT
Thiem is convincing himself he can't play his forehand shots and keeps motioning it to his box, Goffin sees that and then constantly attacks his forehand side even though it looks more psychological than Physical.
Report wisewords November 17, 2017 3:00 PM GMT
what a stinky mugfest.
Report mesmerised November 17, 2017 3:09 PM GMT
You can see why Goffin has a substantial h2h record v Thiem, Goffin is too intelligent for him, all Thiem knows is to hit the ball as hard as he can.

He needs to get rid of Günter Bresnik who is basically just an Austrian Roger Rasheed, i.e, a glorified fitness coach.
Report wisewords November 17, 2017 3:12 PM GMT
He thinks he's playing on a clay court.
Report caramba November 18, 2017 2:36 PM GMT
The GOAT marching on to his 7th ATP Finals Title Cool
Report mesmerised November 18, 2017 2:37 PM GMT
Dimitrov the way he is playing, will beat Federer in the final imo.
Report caramba November 18, 2017 2:38 PM GMT
and is gonna finish the year with his best win percentage since 2006.
Report mesmerised November 18, 2017 2:43 PM GMT
Much easier to do with World Number 1 and 2 out of the picture for most of the year and when you avoid the whole of the clay season.
Report caramba November 18, 2017 2:50 PM GMT
you're a bigger Roger hater than edy. Of course avoiding the clay season helps with this, but smart scheduling plays a big part in how he's been able to maintain success over the years.
Report mesmerised November 18, 2017 2:52 PM GMT
that is both true tbh.
Report caramba November 18, 2017 2:52 PM GMT
In your opinion, who has been ATP player of the year 2017?
Report edy November 18, 2017 2:54 PM GMT
Rafael Nadal of course
Report mesmerised November 18, 2017 3:00 PM GMT
has to be Nadal, World Number 1, two slams, 3 slam finals, played on all surfaces and won more matches than anyone.
Still can't believe he lost Australia, up a break in the fifthSad
Report edy November 18, 2017 3:01 PM GMT
Sad
Report caramba November 18, 2017 3:02 PM GMT
How can you be Player of the year when you have a 0-4 h2h against the no 2 ranked player in the world?
Report edy November 18, 2017 3:08 PM GMT
sneaky barsteward
Report caramba November 18, 2017 3:09 PM GMT
Excited
Report caramba November 18, 2017 3:13 PM GMT
I'm not gonna get into this "Who's the best out of Rafa and Roger" debate again because it's been done to death and people aren't gonna change their mind, but at least be consistent and don't change criteria based on it if benefits your player (importance of h2h vs Slams etc).
Report edy November 18, 2017 3:14 PM GMT
Being diplomatic and well-meaning as I am, I've always dubbed them co-GOATS Excited
Report wisewords November 18, 2017 3:18 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2017 -- 8:36AM, caramba wrote:


The GOAT marching on to his 7th ATP Finals Title


did you jinx Fedy?

Report caramba November 18, 2017 3:18 PM GMT
I hope I haven't jinxed Roger today Scared
Report bb66 November 18, 2017 3:18 PM GMT
return of the year carambaLove
Report wisewords November 18, 2017 3:19 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2017 -- 9:08AM, edy wrote:


sneaky barsteward


Laugh

Report wisewords November 18, 2017 3:19 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2017 -- 9:18AM, caramba wrote:


I hope I haven't jinxed Roger today


oh simul-comment about jinxing Fedy Surprised

Report caramba November 18, 2017 3:30 PM GMT
oh no Roger.
Report edy November 18, 2017 3:31 PM GMT
Gonna tweet Roger what you did to him.
Report caramba November 18, 2017 3:32 PM GMT
tattle tale
Report wisewords November 18, 2017 3:35 PM GMT
what you done to Fedy caramba Cry
Report caramba November 18, 2017 3:36 PM GMT
can't even break when Goffin is doing muggy errors.
Report crete November 18, 2017 3:46 PM GMT
was 1.02 in the second set - total collapse
Report caramba November 18, 2017 3:56 PM GMT
David, you're supposed to choke now.
Report caramba November 18, 2017 3:56 PM GMT
not do two aces ffs.
Report caramba November 18, 2017 3:57 PM GMT
that's more like it.
Report caramba November 18, 2017 3:58 PM GMT
noffy was right all along Sad
Report edy November 18, 2017 3:59 PM GMT
What did noffy say and when?
Report caramba November 18, 2017 3:59 PM GMT
said Belgians are evil.
Report edy November 18, 2017 4:00 PM GMT
oh that
Report edy November 18, 2017 4:01 PM GMT
Wim Fissette the lone exception of course.
Report thepunter November 18, 2017 4:05 PM GMT
Turned into old federor after 1st set. Chose the perfect match to lose his first one ag. the muffin....what an idiot fed. Cant wait for 2018 to see more than half of the real top 10 come back. Pretty sure, Nadal and fed will have lost more than half of their early year points before clay season starts.
Report caramba November 18, 2017 4:07 PM GMT
maybe the fact that he's evil is why players get rid of him despite being a very good coach.
Report mesmerised November 18, 2017 4:20 PM GMT
How can you be Player of the year when you have a 0-4 h2h against the no 2 ranked player in the world?


This is a valid point, however it is watered down by the fact that Federer completely missed the clay court season, and when Federer himself was asked how he has managed to beat Nadal 4 times this year, in how own words he's said "not playing him on clay helps"

If they'd have met at madrid, Monte Carlo, Rome and FO, the chances are he would have lost all 4 but Federer didn't even try and he probably wont play clay next year either.

So for me Federer's record over Nadal this year has a big asterisk next to it.
Report mesmerised November 18, 2017 4:22 PM GMT
Shapovalov is coming across quite well and down to earth in this interview
Report mesmerised November 18, 2017 6:19 PM GMT
Quiz question - no cheating/looking up google or wiki

What unique feat has Shvedova achieved in her career that no other player in history has achieved and which no player is  likely to achieve any time soon given it's difficulty.
Report Platini November 18, 2017 6:36 PM GMT
Did Fed get 1.01 busted ??
Report wisewords November 18, 2017 6:59 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2017 -- 12:36PM, Platini wrote:


Did Fed get 1.01 busted ??


1.02

Report wisewords November 18, 2017 7:03 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2017 -- 12:19PM, mesmerised wrote:


Quiz question - no cheating/looking up google or wikiWhat unique feat has Shvedova achieved in her career that no other player in history has achieved and which no player is  likely to achieve any time soon given it's difficulty.


haven't got time to try to work this out, sorry.

Report mesmerised November 18, 2017 7:07 PM GMT
you're not meant to work it out, you either know it or you don't.
Report edy November 18, 2017 7:14 PM GMT
Only ever pro match golden set on grass.
Report mesmerised November 18, 2017 7:18 PM GMT
Alomst, Only Golden set ever produced in any major in main draw ATP or WTA

Did you know that or look it up
Report edy November 18, 2017 7:23 PM GMT
I watched the Golden set live and in colour back when it happened.
Report caramba November 18, 2017 8:26 PM GMT
L'Equipe GOATing: Jack Sock in the top 10, Dimitrov only two places from World no 1 if he wins today.
Report caramba November 18, 2017 8:34 PM GMT
Australian Open draw is gonna be funky with Stan, Delpo, Novak and Murray in 9-16 range.
Report edy November 18, 2017 8:36 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2017 -- 2:26PM, caramba wrote:


L'Equipe GOATing: Jack Sock in the top 10, Dimitrov only two places from World no 1 if he wins today.


and Bernard Tomic not good enough to make a slam main draw.

Report mesmerised November 18, 2017 8:37 PM GMT
That's a good thing, it means it's more likely Fakerer will meet his maker earlier on and we're all spared of how great Fakerer is for reaching last 4 in old age from the gooey eyed punditsCool
Report thepunter November 18, 2017 9:01 PM GMT
What a mug this muzgtrov, won 1 game since gong 3-0 up. Anybody would have bet on a final between fed and his baby, but both turned into full retars and folding under pressure.
Report caramba November 18, 2017 9:02 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2017 -- 2:26PM, caramba wrote:


L'Equipe GOATing: Jack Sock in the top 10, Dimitrov only two places from World no 1 if he wins today.


oh no did I jinx Baby Fed too? Scared

Report caramba November 18, 2017 9:03 PM GMT
Murray's probably gonna be in mug mode until the summer.
Report caramba November 18, 2017 9:04 PM GMT
I could see Novak coming back and GOATing from the get-go, if he's 100% and motivated.
Report n88uk November 18, 2017 9:10 PM GMT
He will struggle to move up rankings much though for the L'Equipe thing as he actually played the start of the year, albeit didn't do well. But it's the end when he will move up loads.

Also I'm not convinced at all that will happen. Apparently he's not even practising yet.
Report edy November 18, 2017 10:30 PM GMT
Heard Novak might hire Stepanek as his coach.
Report mesmerised November 18, 2017 11:35 PM GMT
coach driver surely?
Report wisewords November 19, 2017 12:14 AM GMT

Nov 18, 2017 -- 4:30PM, edy wrote:


Heard Novak might hire Stepanek as his coach.


Surprised

Report Angela Rebecchi November 19, 2017 12:15 AM GMT

Nov 18, 2017 -- 5:35PM, mesmerised wrote:


coach driver surely?


LaughLaughLaugh

Report caramba November 19, 2017 4:32 PM GMT
He's been doing alright with Jelena, doesn't need Stepanek imo.
Report caramba November 19, 2017 6:56 PM GMT
http://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/videos/Roger_Federer/49086/roger-federer-snubbed-by-a-ball-girl/
, Laugh at Roger's reaction
Report mesmerised November 19, 2017 7:18 PM GMT
6 winners to Goffin's 14 and he Goffin loses the set. Nerves making him make too many UE's.
Report caramba November 19, 2017 8:46 PM GMT
well done Grigor.
Report mesmerised November 19, 2017 9:24 PM GMT
I like Dimitrov on and off court, he can even mix it with the very best (before eventually losing), but let's be honest, this is the worst calibre of players any World Tour Finals winner has ever had to face and beat on route to becoming champion, no fault of his own of course, but beating world ranked players 8, 9 and 10th who are called, Goffin, Sock and Carreno Busta as well as Dominic stand back as far as I can and hit as hard as I can on every single shot with stupid big backhand and forehand swings on hard courts that clearly doesn't work but I'll keep doing it anyway, Thiem ?  is not a great feat. The achievement masks the true level which can only be determined by winning big titles and going through big 4 to do so, or the big 3+1 as I call them, then you can call it a breakthrough year.
By the way as said yesterday...

mesmerised 18 Nov 17 14:37 Joined: 10 Nov 10 | Topic/replies: 20,856 | Blogger: mesmerised's blog
Dimitrov the way he is playing, will beat Federer in the final imo.


So having said that above, I thought he would beat Federer anyway but we will never know. Unfortunately for him, finishing the year ranked 3rd might not count for much in Australia given where Murray and Djokovic are ranked at the minute, he could get them much earlier, Kind Regards.
Report wisewords November 19, 2017 9:57 PM GMT
you stink mes. regards.
Report mesmerised November 19, 2017 10:16 PM GMT
Great input as usual.
Report wisewords November 19, 2017 10:19 PM GMT
cheers. Grigor will win a Grand Slam in 2018 is all you need to know.
Report mesmerised November 19, 2017 10:25 PM GMT
more chance of you leaving the front door than that happeningLaugh
Report wisewords November 19, 2017 10:29 PM GMT
love you too mes.
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