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As we draw closer to Wimbledon 2017 -  it still not clear who really is the favourite...


Federer or Murray according to the experts even though i would not be confident on them. Dominic Theim is not great on grass. Then Nadal is unpredictable, and as for Djokovic seems like his gone and losted his mojo. Is there any real value  6/1 ?

Well we have to wait for the draw to be revealed.

So if anyone on here has any thoughts before the draw is out then please do comment.
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Report n88uk June 30, 2017 2:44 PM BST
Raonic has done absolutely nothing recently. Is struggling with some kind of injury and is in Fed's quarter. Although he beat Fed last year, that was nothing like how Federer is now playing, and Federer has often exposed Raonic as very limited when they have played.
Report n88uk June 30, 2017 2:45 PM BST
And Fed's section is probably the last section I'd want to pick an outsider from.
Report n88uk June 30, 2017 2:50 PM BST
The top section has potential to open up if Murray isn't really fit as he will be heavily favoured. Kyrgios is in there. Stan is the other big seed, but is terrible on grass and ripe for the taking from anyone half decent imo.

Nadal will be dangerous if he gets to the 2nd week.

Just noticed Raonic also has Zverev in his section as a potential R4, so yer he's probably the last person I'd want to pick as an outside pick looking at that.

Novak's draw is very good tbh unless he's just plain finished. Thiem is terrible on grass, and there's just not a lot in there really, Del Potro, but he's hardly been setting it alight recently.
Report armagnac June 30, 2017 6:30 PM BST
nadal & osty
two singles and a double, betfred best odds 4/1 and 18/1
simples
Report armagnac June 30, 2017 6:31 PM BST
best odds for double, 9/2 available on nadal single if you shop about or bigger on here
fat
Report mouse trap June 30, 2017 6:34 PM BST
RG was played a month ago
Report armagnac June 30, 2017 6:56 PM BST
Laugh
Report scandanavian_haven June 30, 2017 10:41 PM BST
Wawrinka was terrible on grass but since reincartion 2013 he's made a couple of Quarters t Wimbledon and generally played much better on it, I wouldn't back him though he has Tsonga in the 4th who is a better grass court player and one of the trickiest first round matches

I'm going for wozniacki and Federer.
Report EUGENE KRABS June 30, 2017 11:24 PM BST
Can't believe any sane person would take 6/1 Djokovic when he clearly tanked against Thiem in the French and quite how he lost to Istomin in the Australian from 2 - 1 up remains one of the great sporting mysteries.
Report tornado July 1, 2017 12:05 AM BST
Not too sure about Djokovic he may spring to life here as his having a good run at Eastbourne.
Report Platini July 1, 2017 12:07 PM BST
Wawa is one of the dead wood I was talking about - just not good enough on grass.

I see Murray out to 8/1 now (touched 9/1 for a minute), out of form or not, that is very big. I'll be adding some of that to my book now.
Report n88uk July 1, 2017 1:13 PM BST
Djokovic has an amazing draw is why he's getting backed in. His quarter has none of the real dangerous players, and Thiem is clearly the weakest on grass from seeds #5-#8.
Report wisewords July 1, 2017 3:49 PM BST
And he's actually looking alright. But I don't know if it'll be enough to beat Roger.
Report Platini July 1, 2017 4:48 PM BST
I can't have a penny on Joker. Look at the state of him these days - the guy needs a serious feed.
Report tornado July 1, 2017 9:45 PM BST
After reading some of the above comments they all have valid points.

Djokovic is tempting but he could meet Del Potro who he previously met in 2013 in the semi's and gave him a hard fought match which is why Murray won as Djokovic does not have endurance like Federer / Nadal.

I have come to the conclusion that either Federer or Nadal will win.

I know why Nadal only because he won the french with ease and having a extra week this year makes a huge difference. Nadal is the only guy who will give you a run for your money than any other sportman on the planet. Just for his seer dedication and willingness.

May the Best Man win Wimbledon 2017.
Report ;[p July 1, 2017 9:51 PM BST
Anci& Yurek double. 100000/1
Report tornado July 1, 2017 9:51 PM BST
Just to mention the toughest challenge Federer has is Dimitrov in his quarter.
Report wisewords July 1, 2017 10:46 PM BST
Men:
Firm pick: Roger Federer
Dark horse: Novak Djokovic

Women:
Firm pick: Karolina Pliskova
Dark horse: Anett Kontaveit
Other contenders: Venus Williams, Petra Kvitova, Angelique Kerber.
Report n88uk July 2, 2017 12:41 PM BST
Federer actually has the toughest draw imo, it's just you expect him to steamroll through it regardless. If say Novak was in his position, I'm not sure I'd fancy Novak to get out of the quarter.
Report england_v_south_afri July 2, 2017 2:19 PM BST
Had £20 win on Rafael Nadal 5/1.

GL lads.
Report Platini July 2, 2017 2:32 PM BST
Nadal is a silly price now. He has done nothing at Wimbledon for 6 years. Sure he's had his injury issues but he hasn't ben injured for 6 years.
Report england_v_south_afri July 2, 2017 2:36 PM BST
My theory is Fed is too old, Murray lost his confidence, Djockovic gone at the game.

Where as Nadal is absolutely buzzing at the moment and he's fully fit. His fighting qualities are out of this world.
Report Platini July 2, 2017 2:38 PM BST
IF he survives the first week.
Report england_v_south_afri July 2, 2017 2:44 PM BST
One thing for sure its going to be a great tournament.
Report mesmerised July 2, 2017 10:27 PM BST
Cilic bang and Big Foot Kvitova.

Dark horse - Dimitrov and Sabine LiSickNote
Report tornado July 3, 2017 10:02 AM BST
I feel like Murray will go far since his had a few days to rest his hip...

Totally clueless on the womens. Just a regular tournament as its best of 3 sets yet they get the same money where is the equal rights there.. Anyone can lose or win no real test of the very best waste of time really.
Report Platini July 3, 2017 10:04 AM BST
not feeling the love for Cillic Bang. One of the first names I put a cross thru.
Report Journeyman July 3, 2017 10:14 AM BST
Kvitova on paper should never ever lose on grass to anybody. Obviously prone to ludicrous mental implosions in the past. However, after having her attention redirected by real world experiences of the most unpleasant kind, now she's back she may no longer be prone to these implosions due to perspective and experience.

Dimitrov showed signs earlier in the year he was ready to challenge for a slam. Now that Raonic and Thiem have both had a proper crack at it, it should really be Grigor's turn. Worst quarter though. But if he gets past Fed I see him accelerating.

Kivitova and Dimitrov (280-1 double on Sportsbook)
Report keeping silent July 3, 2017 4:04 PM BST
Tsonga and Muguraza ew double
Report Platini July 3, 2017 9:15 PM BST
Major deadwood gone in 1st round Cool
Report n88uk July 4, 2017 12:18 AM BST
The problem with backing most the guys outside the top 4 is they probably have to beat 3 of those guys to win the title, that's just unlikely to happen for any of them. While the big 4 remain in the draw, the prices on the outsiders barely comes in at all too. I find it really hard to see anyone outside the top 4 winning here.
Report tornado July 4, 2017 9:28 AM BST
Me too find it very hard to see anyone outside the big four to win. Federer knows these tournaments are getting tough considering his age and how long he will continue to play likewise with Nadal he will only continue if he has a shot at winning slams. Though Nadal did look very good yesterday.. Will have to see how federer plays today.
Report northanlite July 4, 2017 10:04 AM BST
Murray claiming he's fine but I think he's bluffing a bit & luckily for him he didn't get tested at all.
His 1/4 is quite hot with potentially Pouille in rd3 then Tsonga, Anderson or Querrey or maybe Medvedev. All look in decent form.
I've got a few quid on Pouille to win that 1/4 @ 18/1 but if Murray is fit and well then unlikely.

Nadal looked great & the courts are looking slow enough & giving a bounce that suited him nicely. Difficult to see who
can hurt him in his 1/4. Muller on a very good day maybe.

As mentioned Djoker has a dream draw and if he doesn't get to at least 1/4 he is in crisis mode. Lopez an obvious danger
on grass.
Report Platini July 4, 2017 11:41 AM BST
Nadal to face a revenge match up (v Muller or Rosol) in the 3rd round. That's gonna be fun.
Report dlarssonf July 4, 2017 11:51 AM BST
Rafa already had his revenge against mug Rosol , Wimbledon 2014
Report Platini July 4, 2017 12:09 PM BST
Ahh so he did, forgot about that.  Got revenge on Rosol before being blown away by another big server.
Report Journeyman July 4, 2017 4:16 PM BST
At some point there has to be a changing of the guard though. The four of them are like a strange tag team (Nadal and Fed stepping up when Muzz and Djoko are under the weather) with Stan hanging around with a doggy bag to pick up the scraps.

What's far stranger is the inability of ANYONE else to step up. Raonic never looked liked like he was going to bother Murray last year, and nobody thought Thiem would bother Nadal at the French. And neither really seemed to believe it themselves.

France is the real culprit. Seriously has any country ever had as many talented mens players in one generation without winning a single slam?
Report dlarssonf July 4, 2017 4:32 PM BST
Can't put muurray in the other three's league , he is just as much picking up scraps that the other's leave
Report Angela Rebecchi July 4, 2017 4:41 PM BST
On Coco circa 25s and Venus circa 25s for the Womens.
Report Can't Catch Me July 4, 2017 4:58 PM BST
Pliskova at 9/2 in the Womens for me.
Report northanlite July 4, 2017 5:31 PM BST

Jul 4, 2017 -- 4:32PM, dlarssonf wrote:


Can't put muurray in the other three's league , he is just as much picking up scraps that the other's leave


I'm guessing he means that unlike Stan he's been in finals and semi's way more and it has nearly always been those 4 contesting
the finals.

Report Journeyman July 4, 2017 5:37 PM BST
Yes exactly. Plus the double Olympic gold has to count for something as none of the others managed to win two.
Report mafeking July 4, 2017 5:39 PM BST
murray has understandably mostly struggled to deal with the other 3 but nearly always beats the rest when it matters. more finals and semis than the likes of wawrinka, del potro, tsonga, ferrer, berdych, raonic put together - all the regulars ranked 5 to 10 in the last 10 years pretty much
Report mafeking July 4, 2017 5:41 PM BST
think there was a strange run as well when he and rafa were in something like 17 GS finals in a row but none against each other and remarkably they still never have
Report mesmerised July 4, 2017 6:05 PM BST
The biggest danger to Murray in his half in Cilic, I'm still not having Nadal here, Nadal can't dictate on grass to the other big players and whould not be surprised at all in Khachanov puts him out either, Nadal thrives on time, you don't get time on grass to tee up your shots like you do on clay.
Report n88uk July 4, 2017 6:16 PM BST
The physicality of best of 5 just stacks the deck in the top players favour.

The real reason I never see the outsiders as that attractive a proposition in the men's grand slams though is as long as the top players stay in their prices don't shorten, so you can back someone, they get to the QF's and are still the same price or in some cases even higher than what you backed them at pre-tournament despite having been like 3s to get their or whatever by match odds.

It's a big difference with the women's. The women's you can back the same odds and they actually shorten round by round, the men's too often it doesn't happen which just puts me off ever backing any of the outsiders really.
Report tornado July 8, 2017 12:15 PM BST
Nadal seem the strongest of the big four. His on a roll and if he meets Murray in the semi's Nadal will win..
Report mesmerised July 8, 2017 12:48 PM BST
yeah, what I didn't take into account was the heat, it has slowed the surface down and it's benefiting Nadal, it's even slower than RG Clay, June was the hottest month in decades and July has been 28°c + a few times already. Still Cilic in his QF is no gimme.
Report Platini July 8, 2017 7:33 PM BST
Cillic is part of the deadwood, absolute no hoper in this tourney. his odds are laughable.
Report northanlite July 8, 2017 11:57 PM BST
^ bit harsh, does seem to get get nervy these days but deadwood is too far imo.
I still think Murray is genuinely injured, not badly but his movement looks off & he's been getting away with it, just.
Nadal is loving the conditions, he will be hard to stop if it stays fair.
Report deadbrain59 July 9, 2017 10:52 AM BST
nadal the bullHappy
Report Platini July 9, 2017 11:47 AM BST
Cilic is always over-rated cos he once won a slam, a very soft slam IMO. Hasn't played anyone yet and won't until the QF.

Murray is definitely not at his best but will prob make the semis in his weak draw.
Nadal will be a huge danger IF he can get past rocket man in R4 - that was always going to be the test.  If he does, he will destroy Cilic in the QF.
Report The Bhoys July 9, 2017 1:35 PM BST
Think we can rule murray out, but on current form and they way the court is playing nadal is the man to beat, hes in awesome form and i think he will beat who i felt would win it federer
Report Journeyman July 9, 2017 5:37 PM BST
The name getting no mentions I'll predict will be the only topic tomorrow night. Grigor.
Report Platini July 9, 2017 9:19 PM BST
would that be Grigor deadwood Dimitrov ? Laugh
Report Journeyman July 9, 2017 9:56 PM BST
'Deadwoodov' has had some great rehearsals this year but SW17 was always going to be the stage for the showstopper.

Even though Roger has been dining out with Mephistopheles and bathing in virgins' blood to keep rolling back the years,
ol' Grampa Fed eventually has to lay down for Baby fed

And wood burns bright in the right conditions
Report northanlite July 10, 2017 12:40 AM BST
I've heard it all now. "cos he won a slam" well he did & can't take it away.
hope Dimi gives Fed a game. Should be best on the card.
Report northanlite July 10, 2017 1:10 AM BST
Murray needs improve bigly Cool
he has done it before but as mentioned i don't think he's near 100% fit.
Report Platini July 10, 2017 12:09 PM BST
Mugatrov managed to lose to Janowicz couple of weeks ago. tells you all you need to know.
Report Platini July 10, 2017 7:41 PM BST
More deadwood dismissed with Mugatrov Laugh

as for the young deadwood, dispatched as predicted by big Meelosh Cool
Report england_v_south_afri July 10, 2017 10:08 PM BST
Oh well Nadal out. Well done Platini you were quite correct in ruling him out as a winner.

Murray should get to the final now.
Report n88uk July 10, 2017 10:21 PM BST
Honestly think Federer will just run away with it. The top half none of them will beat him, so it's just Djokovic basically.
Report wisewords July 10, 2017 10:27 PM BST
yup.
Report tornado July 10, 2017 10:31 PM BST
Shocked will Nadal going out... After watching the match i find that Nadal does not stand a chance on grass his does not have the serve all the way Nadal had to work hard to hold his game. Muller did well considering he did choke after being 2-0 ahead. But his attitude changed on the final set showing a display of excellent serving and followed up with a breaking Nadal on the 28th game to win 15-13..

Federer will win Wimbledon his match with Dimitrov was solid and did not give Dimitrov a chance.. Federer is where my money is going.
Report Platini July 11, 2017 8:45 AM BST
Its not so much Nadal's serve not being good enough (he hit more aces yesterday than he's ever done) - its his return game thats not good enough on grass. He's extremely vulnerable to big servers - how many times is it now he's been hit off the court here ?

Murray, Joker, and Fed can all absorb these big serves - these guys are rarely troubled by the servebots.
Report northanlite July 11, 2017 11:24 AM BST
^that was fair old shout re Nadal although you would still think he would have had enough to see off Mulller.
That blow to the head can't have helped, looked sore Devil.
Very impressive the way GM dug in though having had a rough couple of sets but he's bound to be a bit spent for Weds.

Murray moved a lot better yesterday, Fed looked imperious. As you say they just make it tough for
the big servers and make them play way more balls than they are accustomed to. Have to fancy them both to
find a way to the semi's.

Cilic is playing out of his mind. You would always fancy him to beat RBA on grass but just blew him away.
Mental toughness has to be his worry after blowing winning chances in some big matches in the past.
Cilic v Murray would be hard to call tho.

Djoker just cruising along under the radar a bit but has had a very kind draw. If they meet then Berdych will fancy
his chances imo.
Report n88uk July 11, 2017 12:10 PM BST
Berdych to beat Djokovic? You are kidding right? Have you see the H2H?
Report mesmerised July 11, 2017 12:13 PM BST
said Nadal wouldn't win before the tournament
The biggest danger to Murray in his half in Cilic, I'm still not having Nadal here, Nadal can't dictate on grass to the other big players and whould not be surprised at all in Khachanov puts him out either, Nadal thrives on time, you don't get time on grass to tee up your shots like you do on clay.

if only I'd replaced Khachanov with MullerPlain
Report mesmerised July 11, 2017 12:14 PM BST
yes Berdych is not beating Novak unless he has a complete off day a la Sam Querrey 12 months ago.
Report Platini July 11, 2017 12:17 PM BST
Birdsh1t ain't beating Joker, this Mannarino fella is a bigger threat Grin
Report northanlite July 11, 2017 12:25 PM BST
^ the overall hth is horrible for Berdych but on grass it's 1-1. If he is going to beat then it's his best chance.
I didn't say he'd win just that on grass he will fancy his chances way more than a hard court.
Report Angela Rebecchi July 11, 2017 2:43 PM BST
I got on Cilic at 17s when Rafa was in trouble last night. Fancy him to reach the final (beating Muller and Muzza) with a very real chance. Been so impressed with him this tournament.
Report Platini July 11, 2017 4:50 PM BST
Looking a good price now that Nadal's out, for sure. Make sure you lay off before the final if he get there, tho.
Report tornado July 11, 2017 8:01 PM BST
Jo Konta was very impressive today real will to beat Halep..

Joker is playing well but like i said in my earlier post Federer all the way. I have staked 3k on him at 2/1 after his fantastic display over Dimitrov.. Really can't see anyone to beat the great man..

COME ON FEDERER THE GREATEST PLAYER TO EVER LIFT A RACKET...
Report Journeyman July 12, 2017 11:46 AM BST
Venus really needed to finish that match with Ostapenko in straight sets as there were serious signs that Osty was set to take off in a deciding set.
When she did I did think that was a huge amount of the work done in landing the title.

It was impossible not to be impressed though with Konta, in particular her conditioning. She looked like she could have kept bashing away at Halep all night if required.

So she has a chance but I still think it'll be Venus that perevails (which is incredible in some ways when you bear in mind her external circumstances going into this event.)
Report mesmerised July 12, 2017 1:22 PM BST
Konta is 4th in the live rankings, I'm putting it out there, JoKo will be World N°1 by the end of the year.
Report northanlite July 12, 2017 6:35 PM BST
that was tough to watch Djoker & Murray struggle. Not sure what Murray was trying to achieve. Even if he'd limped
over the line he was f**ed for next round.
Querrey dealt with it well imo & despite all played well. Huge for him to be in SF
Report northanlite July 12, 2017 6:37 PM BST
No surprise to see Muller run out of gas but brave effort. Difficult to see who beats Fed now.
I bet he can't believe his luck.
Report geordie1956 July 12, 2017 6:54 PM BST
Its not luck when you are as good as Federer...he seems to be getting better at 35..fantastic
Report northanlite July 12, 2017 7:01 PM BST
Hey as good as Fed is this is a bit luck. A bit of luck for all left in to see seeds #1&2 go out
Report dlarssonf July 12, 2017 7:02 PM BST
Fed has had luck his whole career SadSad
Report northanlite July 12, 2017 7:09 PM BST
Nobody said that. I'm only talking this Wimbledon. He goes in 35 yrs of age, dodges RG, Has a poor 1st prep,
then good one but still questionable form, plays well but then Djoker & Murray bail. It helps!!!
He is the Goat & nothing to prove but it does seem to be going his way.
Report geordie1956 July 12, 2017 7:13 PM BST
He hasn't won the title yet but it will be helpful...that said all the best players have a little luck on their side whenever they win a grand slam
I prefer to think Federer operates along the lines of Gary Player...the harder he practised the luckier he got Cool
Report dlarssonf July 12, 2017 7:14 PM BST
Fed ain't the Goat , isn't even the best of his era
Report northanlite July 12, 2017 10:00 PM BST
told ya Berydych had a chance. Not in a good way thoPlain
Report Platini July 13, 2017 11:36 AM BST
bye bye Berdy tomorrow Laugh
Report tornado July 13, 2017 12:05 PM BST
They should just give the trophy to Federer now .. Hs go Berdy Fed knows his game inside out another straight set victory.  I know Federer will win Wimbledon 8th time..

I hope Venus wins since she has had that incident now resolved as she was driving correctly and was not at fault..

Two Legends of the game - the oldest to both win would go down in history as a great sporting moment IMO.
Report tornado July 13, 2017 12:06 PM BST
Good luck to those who backed Federer..
Report tornado July 13, 2017 4:34 PM BST
Well done to Venus Williams she totally out played Konta as the underdog. Now its a close call with Mug who i hope gets nervous as she had it soo easy in her semi's.

Venus Williams Wimbledon champion 2017

Roger Federer Wimbledon champion 2017
Report northanlite July 14, 2017 12:37 AM BST
^ your fed love makes for uncomfortable reading.
Report tornado July 14, 2017 9:50 AM BST
Uncomfortable for your reading but those who have backed federer will be delighted that i was correct in Predicting the winner!
Report mesmerised July 14, 2017 11:16 AM BST
What winner have you predicted?Confused

They're are 4 players left, 3 matches to be played and 2 days to go before 1 player is declared the winner.

and your opening post says Federer or Murray according to the experts even though i would not be confident on them. it was only 8 days in and after the 4th round when Nadal was out and Murray was looking injured did you predict any winner.
Report mesmerised July 14, 2017 11:27 AM BST
I should have said "what winner have you been Correct in predicting"

have you been paid out then Grin
Report tornado July 14, 2017 9:43 PM BST
mesmerised I clearly said i tool 2/1 on Federer after Nadal went out. Read all my post.. I was hoping for some real gambler's advise, not to criticise my predictions which i stated in my earlier post federer all the way..
Here we are before the final and i am still shouting federer. Now you make note and criticise me if he loses.. Otherwise zip it!
Report mesmerised July 14, 2017 9:51 PM BST
the post  @ 9.5 was the one I was highlighting not any other, you said you predicted the winner, winner will be decided on Sunday. Kind Regards.
Report england_v_south_afri July 14, 2017 9:54 PM BST
Your in a great position taking the 2/1 fed. Its a massive profit even if you lay off for the final. If i was you i would take the profit. Cilic is probably underrated by the odds makers.
Report tornado July 14, 2017 11:23 PM BST
Correct i can trade out but i feel Federer will win no doubt over 5 sets. Where it's Cilic or any other player in the world right now would not beat the Master i would engrave this on stone that FEDERER HAS WON WIMBLEDON 2017.
Report scandanavian_haven July 15, 2017 9:11 AM BST
no prizes for predicting the outcome half way through the tournament we can all do that with a better persepctive, more difficult predicting the winner before it starts, i never get it right


only keeping silent mentioned muguruza in the women's nobody williams
Report Platini July 16, 2017 3:09 PM BST
"Cillic is part of the deadwood, absolute no hoper in this tourney. his odds are laughable."

ahem Cool
Report wisewords July 16, 2017 3:14 PM BST

Jun 28, 2017 -- 11:42PM, wisewords wrote:


I can't see past Roger.


Happy

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