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rho
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Ever since he got married he has seemed unhappy on court. Imagine not fighting for the number 1 ranking.
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Report Platini November 20, 2016 8:21 PM GMT
There's worse things than being sh@gged to death by the lovely Jelena Love
Report rho November 20, 2016 8:28 PM GMT
All that glitters....
There is something going on beneath this whole family thing. He has not played properly almost since he got married.
Can you imagine a Nadal or Federer putting in such a lacklustre performance fighting to regain year end number 1 and to join an elite bunch of those who have achieved such a feat 5 times?
Report Platini November 20, 2016 8:39 PM GMT
The Querrey defeat was the huge red flag. No way in hell even a half-fit, half-@rsed Djokovic loses to an utter mug like that in a slam Crazy
Report TENDY November 20, 2016 8:42 PM GMT
Honestly..I've seen some crap on here but to suggest its because of Jelene Ristic is utterly brainless!

Has he lost everything match 2.5 years??!!
Report geordie1956 November 20, 2016 9:03 PM GMT
People seem to forget that the top 30 or 40 mens' players (possibly more) on a given day can beat anybody else so to suggest Querrey is crap as is the inference from the earlier comment is ludicrous
Report TENDY November 20, 2016 9:10 PM GMT
*Jelena.

TBF - Querrey should never be beating Djovokic in a Grand Slam event!
Report jin_kazz November 20, 2016 9:26 PM GMT
he seems to be unhappy since he began to cheat on jelena and when that scandal came into life, he began to play like sh1t
Report jin_kazz November 20, 2016 9:27 PM GMT
she also doesn't look happy at all after that. they really should find peace between 'em asap or he's a goner
Report lurka November 20, 2016 11:21 PM GMT
not since his marriage, that was 2 years ago. he was killing it all this year up to wimbledon. could be down to marital difficulties which seem to have arisen around that time. there was word of a shoulder injury in practice just before he lost to querrey but i don't believe that's the issue.

could be that he was told to lay off the drugs by the authorities, i'd see that as as believable as any other reason. his dominance was like 2011 again up to that point and i don't think you can dominate the sport of tennis like that clean
Report eight ball November 21, 2016 7:13 AM GMT
Not a Tennis follower but just saw this thread.
With so many followers of Tennis and going by all the threads I can't believe no one(besides me) has 'gerried' to the issue.
I'm not going to openly state it but some are getting warm.
This isn't a slur, more fact actually but use your imaginations and you will understand why he's got issues.
Report wisewords November 21, 2016 1:53 PM GMT
very cryptic, eight ball!
Report Journeyman November 21, 2016 3:18 PM GMT
Another possibility hasn't been mentioned but I'll throw it in the mix.

Maybe the potty mouthed Scottish guy is now just... better?
Report jin_kazz November 21, 2016 3:32 PM GMT
it's a thread about djokovic, not murray. guy who lost to RBA. the one from Serbia. that dude who was unbeatable, you know? he's name is noval if I remember correctly
Report jin_kazz November 21, 2016 3:33 PM GMT
*novak ffs
Report Journeyman November 21, 2016 3:40 PM GMT
Yes. Novak who was playing fine. Seemed to annihilate everybody else when he got into his stride.
But was clearly inhibited by the quality of Murray's shots in the final. Which is why he lost?

He essentially admitted that in his speech. So why does it have to be about gluten/blood transfusions/vague insinuations?
Report jin_kazz November 21, 2016 3:47 PM GMT
'coz it's not about his loss to murray imo. it's about the way he's playing during 2nd part of the year
Report jin_kazz November 21, 2016 3:48 PM GMT
I mean the whole fred
Report wisewords November 21, 2016 3:58 PM GMT
since he won French Open, he achieved his big goal and then something changed..
Report lurka November 21, 2016 4:48 PM GMT
yeah but he had his eye on the calendar year slam as well and seemed to get the hump during wimbledon as if he knew he wasn't going to achieve it
Report wisewords November 21, 2016 5:10 PM GMT
he's a very mysterious character. the total opposite to Murray who is an open book
Report Journeyman November 21, 2016 5:13 PM GMT
1. If anything Djokovic overperformed in the WTF, barring the final where he was simply outplayed by the (now) superior player
2. What is the difference between Querrey beating Novak and Doohan beating Becker? Following the same logic was Becker having chronic personal problems?
3. Djokovic buys into the Lendl factor and always has, hence his following Murray down the supercoach route. Novak's slump coincided with the rehiring of Ivan. These guys are so far above the rest that changes in each others teams are going to have a psychological effect
4. Speculating without evidence that a player has stopped doing/taking something that there was only speculation without evidence he was doing/taking in the first place is just sweetiewifing.
5. This thread is a shade-throwing, muckracking, tailchasing disgrace
Report lurka November 21, 2016 7:22 PM GMT
Murray is not superior to djokovic at his best. He's never dominated like Djok did in the first half of this year or in 2011, never played at that level.
Nobody is suggesting that the loss to Querrey alone was the result of marital problems. Djokovic went from 2011 levels of dominance to a few levels below that almost overnight after the FO win and ever since. It is not some one off freak result, it is sustained dominance followed by a stark drop in form for a sustained period, 6 months+ in both cases.

The suggestion that djok's change in form might be because another player hired a new coach is more ridiculous than anything else anyone has suggested on this thread.
Report wisewords November 21, 2016 7:27 PM GMT
Only Novak knows the real reason, but pre French Open 2016 Novak wouldn't lose to RBA, Querrey..
Report scandanavian_haven November 21, 2016 7:55 PM GMT
maybe he's been wrestling with his conscious too much, he is a very religious man after all as are his family.
Report jin_kazz November 21, 2016 11:05 PM GMT
they were dating with jelena since high school, right? not some muggy relationships which you can just forget and move on. surely this affects his mindset. and also jelena looking very sad these days during his matches. never saw her like that in the previous years.

also no one is perfect. nobody can be unbeatable and win 75% of events for so many years. what novak did is incredible. but times are changing. this is sport.
Report sofiakenny November 22, 2016 1:25 PM GMT
Rumours of a silent ban(shoulder injury) and Tiger Woods type weakness persist.
Report scandanavian_haven November 22, 2016 1:40 PM GMT
Silent bans make no sense, sends out no message to other players or fans that the sport is clean and harms the sport the ATP try to promote by not having their top player playing. Don't think there is any such thing as a silent ban, doesn't seem logical to me. They would either expose him which would damage the sport heavily, or let him carry on.
Report sofiakenny November 22, 2016 2:44 PM GMT
Silent bans protect the status quo...Dustbin Johnson springs to mind and also Nadull.
Report Angela Rebecchi November 22, 2016 9:47 PM GMT
Obviously marital issues. He as much admitted it, his loss to SQ at SW19 and Jelena's face, lack of attendance, solo holiday all but concretely confirmed this. What he did? Who knows. Was it with the Asian beauty who he went for drinks with in Manhattan or more stuff?
Report Angela Rebecchi November 22, 2016 9:50 PM GMT

Nov 21, 2016 -- 5:13PM, Journeyman wrote:


1. If anything Djokovic overperformed in the WTF, barring the final where he was simply outplayed by the (now) superior player2. What is the difference between Querrey beating Novak and Doohan beating Becker? Following the same logic was Becker having chronic personal problems?3. Djokovic buys into the Lendl factor and always has, hence his following Murray down the supercoach route. Novak's slump coincided with the rehiring of Ivan. These guys are so far above the rest that changes in each others teams are going to have a psychological effect4. Speculating without evidence that a player has stopped doing/taking something that there was only speculation without evidence he was doing/taking in the first place is just sweetiewifing.5. This thread is a shade-throwing, muckracking, tailchasing disgrace


Plenty of evidence suggests you're talking utter ***te.

Report lurka November 22, 2016 11:21 PM GMT
Cilic had a silent ban (silent for a few months) at Wimbledon a few years ago so they did exist.

Then last August they came out and said there would be no more silent bans, an acknowledgement that they did occur in the past http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2016-08-23/23966.php

silent bans are not conspiracy theory/nonsense, but they normally result in a player stopping for a few months and that didn't happen here. If there was any doping element to it it was a warning to lay off it or that proper testing would be introduced and it was stepped-down as a result. But marital difficulties is a more plausible explanation in this case, that would affect your day to day preparation.
Report lurka November 22, 2016 11:24 PM GMT
marital difficulties would more than likely result in a stepping-down of any doping that was going on in any case. If your day to day prep is all over the shop because of something more important in life than training etc, you are not going to be doping they way you should be either
Report wisewords November 23, 2016 12:30 AM GMT
"doping the way you should be" Laugh
Report GRANTCKING November 23, 2016 4:35 PM GMT
LaughLaughLaugh
Report Roger The Butler November 24, 2016 11:17 PM GMT
Laugh Love it!
Report DStyle November 26, 2016 8:19 PM GMT
if nole has been doing the dirty on ristic, it's interesting to wonder what she might be able to do to hurt him back, if she were so inclined.
Report Diff-rent December 6, 2016 11:04 PM GMT
We all saw what happened to Tiger Woods after his marriage hit a bad patch.

Personally I think he's achieved almost everything in Tennis. Only a true GREAT can win all the slams... He's done that. Where's the new motivation to come from ???

He has a young family now to focus on also.
Report Diff-rent December 6, 2016 11:15 PM GMT
Comparing Murray to Novak achievements is pretty laughable.
Report scandanavian_haven December 7, 2016 9:44 AM GMT
It was Tiger's injury problems that were obviously the problem.
Report jin_kazz January 18, 2017 6:45 PM GMT
novak denies all your accusations: https://www.facebook.com/djokovic.official/videos/1362996740419840/
Report sofiakenny January 18, 2017 7:37 PM GMT
Well he would..wouldnt he.
Report rho January 19, 2017 8:20 AM GMT
...and losing to Istomin also is because Murray changed his coach?

This guy is in to something the world is unaware of and it will come out one day whatever it is he is up to.
Some feel there might be blackmail somewhere in all of this, but time will tell.
Report Journeyman January 19, 2017 12:01 PM GMT
...and losing to Istomin also is because Murray changed his coach?

This guy is in to something the world is unaware of and it will come out one day whatever it is he is up to.


Okay so (again) no evidence just yet another vague smear.
But even though nobody has a shred of any credible non-tennis reason, it absolutely 100% can't be anything to do with Murray?
And Istomin plays the match of his life and gets no credit?

It's an actual fact that when Lendl came on board the first time, the change in the results balance between Murray and Novak at the business end was dramatic.
Novak and Murray have grown up together, watched each other's games develop inside out.

I think the 'secret' if there is one is that Novak has always known Murray had the potential to be a fundamentally better player.
But like Roger before him, he realised that potential could be inhibited/kept in check as long as Murray didn't have the right 'key' to unlock that potential AND temper his chronic weaknesses.
Lendl brought that key and the facts (shift in major results) back that up.

Reality check. Djokovic has not died. He beat Murray just weeks ago, reached the WTF final and has had a shock loss to a guy playing the match of his life just like Nadal and Sampras etc did before him.

It is time this place stopped whispering groundless smears in dark corners and gave Murray the respect he has earned.
Report Journeyman January 19, 2017 12:18 PM GMT
^
Put another way. As when a horse is 'headed' in a race it can fall back, accepting the change in dynamic and hierarchy.
So when Lendl is on board, Novak no longer believed at a core level he is the best in teh world.
Affects his overall game, not just against Murray, explains drop off in aggression etc.
Report n88uk January 19, 2017 9:27 PM GMT

Nov 22, 2016 -- 11:21PM, lurka wrote:


Cilic had a silent ban (silent for a few months) at Wimbledon a few years ago so they did exist. Then last August they came out and said there would be no more silent bans, an acknowledgement that they did occur in the past http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2016-08-23/23966.phpsilent bans are not conspiracy theory/nonsense, but they normally result in a player stopping for a few months and that didn't happen here. If there was any doping element to it it was a warning to lay off it or that proper testing would be introduced and it was stepped-down as a result. But marital difficulties is a more plausible explanation in this case, that would affect your day to day preparation.


They weren't silent bans though. They were silent provisional bans. Ie. while the cases were heard, your case didn't have to go public.

Anyway this doesn't exist anymore.

Report n88uk January 19, 2017 9:27 PM GMT
Only just realised that post was 2 months ago.
Report Angela Rebecchi January 20, 2017 12:11 PM GMT
Disagree Journeyman, Novaks form the last 8 months has been nothing short of shocking, relatively speaking.
Report mesmerised January 20, 2017 12:51 PM GMT
he still should have goals

winning 2 more slams to equal Nadal/Sampras
winning 5 more slams to equal Federer
winning 6 more slams to break Federer's record
winning at least 2 slams at ever slam (Win the french again) something Fedal haven't done.
Getting back to #1 to break longest run at World Number 1 held by Federer (which means holding onto it  for anothr 18 months)
Win an Olympic gold medal
Win Cincinnati (only masters 100 yet to win)
Win Calendar grand slam
Extened h2h records v Fedal
Acheive GOAT status.
Report Roger The Butler January 21, 2017 12:10 AM GMT
Smashing into a succession of sorts without getting rumbled this time.
Report stu January 21, 2017 9:35 AM GMT
Happens to a lot of greats that the passion and therefore edge in their game can just go - too much money, comfort and not enough drive left anymore. At least that's one possible explanation.
Report lurka January 21, 2017 3:51 PM GMT

Jan 19, 2017 -- 9:27PM, n88uk wrote:


Nov 22, 2016 -- 11:21PM, lurka wrote:Cilic had a silent ban (silent for a few months) at Wimbledon a few years ago so they did exist. Then last August they came out and said there would be no more silent bans, an acknowledgement that they did occur in the past http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2016-08-23/23966.phpsilent bans are not conspiracy theory/nonsense, but they normally result in a player stopping for a few months and that didn't happen here. If there was any doping element to it it was a warning to lay off it or that proper testing would be introduced and it was stepped-down as a result. But marital difficulties is a more plausible explanation in this case, that would affect your day to day preparation.They weren't silent bans though. They were silent provisional bans. Ie. while the cases were heard, your case didn't have to go public.Anyway this doesn't exist anymore.


in other sports you test positive and the A sample positive is made public immediately while they wait for the B sample to be tested and you are banned.

In tennis you test positive and you are allowed to explain why this might have happened and to fabricate an injury story to keep it all quiet for a month.

A ban is a ban, you or the tennis authorities can call it provisional if you want. He tested positive and was banned and they kept it quiet for a month in this case. That is a silent ban.

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