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With 5 of the Quarter Finalists now known, Ding within a frame of victory, and M.Williams leading 10-6, the major point of interest on Day 10 concerns the J.Trump v R.Walden match. It has been a typical Crucible 2nd round match in many ways - with the better player, Trump, struggling for fluency and only producing in short bursts - and it has had the look of a tight finish for most of the match. Trump really should have opened up a lead last night, throwing away 2 frames which were at his mercy, but it will probably be R.Walden who is the more unhappy that it is all level having spurned a clear chance in the final frame to open up a 2 frame lead. There looks so much wrong with Trump's game at the moment, and he may actually be the least likely winner in the last 8 should he progress. But, he has to get there first and a nervy, edgy final session looks on the cards given that neither player looks capable of taking control.

There is no morning session, so the action resumes at 1pm.
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Report crepello April 30, 2018 8:35 AM BST
That looks spot on to me gobelins - Trump is such a disappointment as the game is (and has been for some time) crying out for a "new kid on the block" - looks very doubtful that he can step up to the plate ....

I see that our two picks will be head to head - Ding versus The Hawk.

I did not get back to you earlier but thanks for the "heads up" about Barry and his personal problems - I knew nothing about that sad affair.

He stepped up from his first round performance - played much better second time around - should be a good match against Ding ...

Maybe I should lay off to cover my stake as Ding looks very short as overall winner!!!!!!

Enjoy the last week .....
Report gjohn101 April 30, 2018 9:24 AM BST
Watched a bit of trump back this morning and it’s clear even to a technical nonce like me that he has a problem. He’s cutting across on several long pots with head movement and it’s hardly coincidence that so many of his bad misses are happening over and over in the same pockets. Jimmy said he had a twitch and needs to seek help but is that something that can be sorted in one quick session? Thing I’d wonder is are these technical issues purely down to a loss of mojo or are they entirely seaarate and just piling onto his woes? May well beat Walden today but what you can’t sense about Trump is that advancing here is going to improve him. You feel he has more potential to get worse than better. Hope I’m grievously wrong with that grim prognosis but find it hard to be hopeful for him.
Report Latalomne April 30, 2018 9:36 AM BST
Pretty much all season he's looked like a player carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders.  A lost soul.  Balls he wasn't missing when he first emerged are being struck so badly now it's hard to believe it's the same player.  His shot selection is often dreadful, and I still can't help but think that his default response of hit it harder is part of the problem.  Despite all that, he's still capable of reeling a frame off in double-quick time.

IMHO, he's one of the most difficult players to bet on, because you know how capable he can be, but at the same time, he's throwing in so many shockers....
Report GoBallistic April 30, 2018 9:56 AM BST
Virtually every Trump miss is to the left.  That said, at least he's not throwing the towel in (yet).  I think his safety and matchplay has actually been quite good - pretty much the only reason he's still in the tournament and still in this match
Report wondersobright April 30, 2018 10:03 AM BST
IMHO, he's one of the most difficult players to bet on, because you know how capable he can be, but at the same time, he's throwing in so many shockers

I think this makes him easy to deal with from a betting point of view lata

he was 8/1 outright at the start of the event
nothing he has done so far in the event surprises me or suggests he's a likely potential tournament winner

1.1x to beat wakelin
1.3x to beat waldorf
utter madness
if people wanna accomodate at these prices GL to them, his (lower ranked) oppos getting chunks of frames on the hcaps is usually a gift imo
Report gobelins April 30, 2018 10:03 AM BST
Morning all.

Hello crepello, yes we go head-to-head (it seems I'm the only one not on Ding on here) and I have to be honest I'd be happy if he wins it. His performances in the last 2 years have been phenomenal, and there appears to be general agreement in the game that "this is his time". But, he has Crucible specialists to negotiate from now on in, and it is about to get an awful lot tougher - not just for Ding but for most of the field.

Hello gj and Latalomne. There is another thread on here, were we've discussed J.Trump's problems at length over the last few months and it appears our observations and fears about him are coming to the surface here. A player of his class should be burying C.Wakekin and R.Walden but I have no idea what he can do to change things, particularly in the short term. There appear to be significant technical and mental issues which need addressing, and although he is fighting hard (which is really good to see) it seems inconceivable that he can win the title, playing to this standard, this year.
Report Latalomne April 30, 2018 10:24 AM BST
Depends how you play, Wonder, I guess.  Every time I thought he was going to open up a decisive lead against Wakelin (and had bet accordingly), he went on to throw in a stinker or five.  I find it very hard psychologically to oppose a player, even one who, as you rightly point out, is probably shorter than he should be, when I know how capable he can be. 

I'm not a tournament winner layer, believing you have to make your money work harder and that greater returns can be achieved by playing game by game (and there hasn't been a match all tournament where my involvement has been limited to just a straight bet on a match) rather than tying up your bank on a long-term position paying 1/8.  And I've not looked at the HC markets here for a few years.  Used to really enjoy playing them - not just snooker - but they completely died on their arses across pretty much all sports on BF.  If I get involved, I want to have the option to close out my position. 

Indeed, Gobelins, we have.  I wasn't around much over the weekend, and Higgins in the only player I've not seen much of so far this tournament, but everyone else seems to be making mistakes of their own - even Ding, from what I saw last night - possibly just not as glaring, or potentially decisive, as Judd.
Report wondersobright April 30, 2018 11:05 AM BST
I play the long game lata, when trump wins I can afford to lose as the payoffs are big when he doesn't
Report dlarssonf April 30, 2018 11:13 AM BST
He did open up a decisive lead against Wakelin , he was 8 -3 up
Report Latalomne April 30, 2018 11:15 AM BST
Which should have been 9-3, but he blew it, and then again in the following frames, and nearly lost it.
Report gjohn101 April 30, 2018 11:18 AM BST
Just read through that thread on Trump gobe. As have been away a fair bit haven't seen a huge amount of Trump this past year so was interesting and informative. If we're starting to talk about technical issues on top of the usual confidence or shot choice stuff, though, then I'd be really worrying for him. If it goes awry for him here, and that's looking likely to be frank, then i wouldn't mind seeing him taking a break from the game for a while. Forget the summer events, wont help his ranking of course but he can get that back. Just get his head together, make some good decisions for the road ahead in terms of coaching, practicing set-up and get himself back on the right track. Only compounding his problems by going on the way he's going I reckon.
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 12:36 PM BST
Cool come on the duddernaught
Report gobelins April 30, 2018 1:02 PM BST
Yes gj he has numerous problems at present. I hope Judd doesn't read that thread as he'll never pick up his cue again Silly
Report gjohn101 April 30, 2018 1:04 PM BST
Walden is 75-80 now but what price would he be if he beats Trump? Less than half that i imagine anyway. Still wouldnt be bothered to back him but do remember a few years back when i had more energy and loved to look for lively outsiders and i backed Ricky a fair few times. Made a decent trade on him one year was about all i got out of it.
Report gjohn101 April 30, 2018 1:10 PM BST
As long as nobody posts a link on twatter i think he'll be ok. I'm seroius about him taking a break though, that lousy tour with events every other week wont help him get back on the horse. Golfers often take weeks off to go work on technical stuff, why shouldnt a snooker player do the same?
Report the stunning April 30, 2018 1:17 PM BST
Anyone know what Ricky's walk on music is?......sounds goodGrin
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 1:18 PM BST
Cool duddernaught away to strike the front
Report gjohn101 April 30, 2018 1:20 PM BST
Not even one half decent shot from Walden yet
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 1:21 PM BST
Laugh missed by a miles
Report gjohn101 April 30, 2018 1:24 PM BST
Missed by 4 inches...would have got closer with the plant than that
Report SontaranStratagem April 30, 2018 1:38 PM BST
I wouldn't want to be relying on Trump with my money
Report Latalomne April 30, 2018 1:40 PM BST
Kin ell, Judd
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 1:40 PM BST
dudd gone at the game here
Report thepunter April 30, 2018 1:40 PM BST
Show him how to clean that up Ricky !
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 1:47 PM BST
Laugh lucky bastard
Report Latalomne April 30, 2018 1:47 PM BST
Strange way to play that in the end
Report thepunter April 30, 2018 1:48 PM BST
Yep, should never have lost position. Wanted to solve that red to the black too soon nad will pay the price now.
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 1:49 PM BST
bucket said yes!
Report thepunter April 30, 2018 1:50 PM BST
Blue looks half safe.
Report Latalomne April 30, 2018 1:50 PM BST
Massively overhit that
Report Latalomne April 30, 2018 1:51 PM BST
Shot
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 1:51 PM BST
what a fecking clearance from dudd
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 1:51 PM BST
game onnnnnnnnnn
Report stu April 30, 2018 1:51 PM BST
Walden fecked it up
Report stu April 30, 2018 1:52 PM BST
Could have won the match at 10-8 imo, Judds head would have gone
Report thepunter April 30, 2018 1:52 PM BST
Want to see Trump take a lead first. Everytime he had the chance he found a way to gift the frame away.
Report alfee April 30, 2018 1:53 PM BST
PLONKER WALDEN, DESERVES TO GET BEAT AFTER THAT !
Report stu April 30, 2018 1:54 PM BST
Can't understand why he played that mad pot attempt last frame
Report thepunter April 30, 2018 1:56 PM BST
He could have played a good safety with 75% chance to take it to 10-8.
Report Latalomne April 30, 2018 1:58 PM BST
Agreed.  Bizarre shot choice, IMHO.
Report stu April 30, 2018 1:58 PM BST
Played massively into Trump's hands - does every opponent do this to him this year...
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 1:59 PM BST
Cool dudd marching now
Report stu April 30, 2018 2:03 PM BST
Walden - WAC Sad
Report stu April 30, 2018 2:09 PM BST
If ever a player handed a match over in one shot...
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 2:10 PM BST
judd flying now, looks unstoppable!
Report thepunter April 30, 2018 2:13 PM BST
good shot this from trump. Reds safe.
Report Latalomne April 30, 2018 2:16 PM BST
86% pot success isn't going to get it done over 25 frames.
Report thepunter April 30, 2018 2:18 PM BST
Somehow get the feeling Trump will have it much easier with himself next round if he gets over the line here.
Report gjohn101 April 30, 2018 2:18 PM BST
More tournaments....yeah just what the season needed.
Report stu April 30, 2018 2:19 PM BST
He was doing a great impression of Ebdon in his prime - never flashy just getting it done.....then why no safety in command...Cry
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 2:21 PM BST
Cool bazza hearn gonna name and shame the slowest of the slow lol
Report gjohn101 April 30, 2018 2:21 PM BST
Players cant pick and choose Barry cos they're afraid they'll miss out on the invitational tournaments. Wishful thinknig that
Report thepunter April 30, 2018 2:22 PM BST
He knows he cant make cheap mistakes ag. Higgins. therefore expect him to play more orthodox and most important. Make sure to close frames which look won. How many did he gift ou of nowhere here ? 3 or 4 ? Thats a huge difference in the scoreline, even over that format.
Report Lufc86 April 30, 2018 2:24 PM BST
How dull are these people? Its not about 1 shot or 1 frame, its over a period or matches/tournaments
Report gjohn101 April 30, 2018 2:27 PM BST
So you buy a valid ticket off a secondary site and when you turn up they refuse you entry? Surely can't be legal can it?
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 2:28 PM BST
brian gonna be pissed theyre doing away with the season tickets, hows he gonna get his seat now!
Report Lufc86 April 30, 2018 2:31 PM BST
Can see brian murdering barry haha
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 2:33 PM BST
LaughLaugh
Report johnnythebull April 30, 2018 2:33 PM BST
control freak..sharp guy but not very likeable
Report trebor April 30, 2018 2:35 PM BST
I can understand people not liking Barry Hearn, but I can't disagree with much of what he says, made a massive difference to the game imo, and I know most on here will agree with that statement, but in the opposite direction Devil
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 2:37 PM BST
yeh agree trebor, the fact there was only 5 snooker tournaments 8 years ago is a farce, bazza transformed the game
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 2:38 PM BST
although I still hate what he did to the uk championship
Report trebor April 30, 2018 2:44 PM BST
Yes I can agree about the UK championship, would have been nice to have another longer frame format, but at least the 7 framers have disappeared as more sponsors have been found, and the lower players in the rankings will be making a better living as well.
Report gjohn101 April 30, 2018 2:45 PM BST
Problem is no one in media or on bbc questions hearn so its almost as if he's never wrong. All that malarkey about the shot times isnt that interesting, more tournaments on an already stuffed calendar, i mean come on. Talking about the middle east now, that's great, but what about the UK where the sport is in decline. What are they doing about that?
Report gjohn101 April 30, 2018 2:48 PM BST
I only remember who won the UK this season because it was O'sullivan. Otherwise it would just fade into a blur like rest of the season.
Report trebor April 30, 2018 3:00 PM BST
The shot time thing is good imo, and has no change in the way the game is played other than speed up the slow players, Lawler and McCloud are terrible to watch, if they get a bad time they get told at the end of the match, not during it.

If there are blank weeks then why not put a tournament in, the players can decide to play in it or not. we discussed this a few years back about players missing tournaments they did not want to play in, yet it seems some players are only just realising that they should plan a schedule.

The secondary ticket sales must be good for stopping forgeries as well, I know someone who got to the Crucible and found their tickets where forgeries.
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 3:00 PM BST
12-9, start the car
Report johnnythebull April 30, 2018 3:04 PM BST
Ricky has actually played pretty well allied to Trump's errors and lack of confidence earlier

just starting to show what he's made of Judd
not out of this quite yet
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 3:05 PM BST
"he pots balls better than ur granny makes soup" wtf angles! Laugh
Report gjohn101 April 30, 2018 3:05 PM BST
I understand that point trebor, seems reasonable. But why do you imagine players, apart from the privileged few like Selby and O'Sullivan, are reluctant to take weeks off? If they take a week off will they drop places in the rankings. How does Mark Allen, a fella hovering around the lower 16, feel about taking a week off any time before the Masters cut off for instance? I'm not certain, but that seems to be how it is.

Dont know much about the ticket situation to be honest, just wondering if they can legally do that, assuming the tickets aren't forged of course.
Report gjohn101 April 30, 2018 3:07 PM BST
And why do they nearly all play the championship league thing which i still cant figure out as to what the heck it is or what purpose it serves.
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 3:08 PM BST
yeh just a muck about really, designed for the bookies
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 3:10 PM BST
dudds played superb 2day
Report gjohn101 April 30, 2018 3:12 PM BST
Easy to look like a champ when you know your opponent is just going to leave you in all the time
Report gjohn101 April 30, 2018 3:13 PM BST
But i'll cut him some slack...he has picked it up seriously last 3 frames
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 3:13 PM BST
tournament heating up now! finally
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 3:15 PM BST
Laugh dudd talking about other players taking liberties and wreckless shots
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 3:15 PM BST
althought it was absolutely ridiculous
Report johnnythebull April 30, 2018 3:15 PM BST
Ricky the disserGrin
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 3:15 PM BST

Apr 30, 2018 -- 9:15AM, johnnythebull wrote:


Ricky the disser


Laugh

Report gjohn101 April 30, 2018 3:16 PM BST
haha yeah grant, exactly what i thought hearing it
Report johnnythebull April 30, 2018 3:17 PM BST
it won't be close against Higgins
one or either will beat the other fairly comfortably
i know who i fancy
Report trebor April 30, 2018 3:18 PM BST
Can't believe Judd thinks he is playing well? his cue action has never been this bad before. and best two players of all time Ronnie and John?? Cut back to studio with HendryGrin
Report alfee April 30, 2018 3:23 PM BST
Just for you Ricky https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nauLgZISozs
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 3:24 PM BST

Apr 30, 2018 -- 9:23AM, alfee wrote:


Just for you Ricky https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nauLgZISozs


lmao Laugh

Report davyb April 30, 2018 4:45 PM BST
Terrible shot choice from walden which defo lost him that match, I was expecting him just have a pop at the red in to center and leave the cue ball tight on black cushion in the hope if it went in there was less points on the table and he could of plonked a colour safe.
great clearance form judd as before that he looked very very beatable
Report BornToWin April 30, 2018 4:58 PM BST
Ricky has always been a choker.

Judd feels less pressure against the proper boys I think, so the next game will suit him. Although I still can't see any way he can win this the shape his game is in.

Think the 75% Higgins will do for him.
Report GRANTCKING April 30, 2018 7:03 PM BST
Sad no snooker 2nite really unless mugkins could win the first 3 frames
Report DIFERENT GRAVY 12 April 30, 2018 7:27 PM BST
How come every single player drinks water, are other drinks not allowed?
Report peckerdunne April 30, 2018 7:32 PM BST
its called sponsorship
Report thepunter April 30, 2018 7:34 PM BST
Mark 3 massive errors this frame.
Report Pandoras April 30, 2018 7:56 PM BST
So Hearn's latest gimmick to make "slow" players speed up to add entertainment. What he failed to mention is the poorer players are the slowest as they haven't the ability to make quick breaks with expert position. Maybe it will help them playing quicker? The same Milkins would be helped byh playing slower?

The problem is that if he does start having them fined they will end up owing him with the paltry wages for most professionals.

His speech today that by giving them and extra grand for winning in the World Championships they will be able to feed their families!! Meanwhile it's £75,000 extra for the winner plus yet another invitation event for the select few. They all work hard but if you have to scrimp and save the tiredness when practising can't help surely.

HEarn is ahead of the game of course as the World sinks into the Rich and the Poor but it doesn't feel good to me.
Report Latalomne April 30, 2018 8:01 PM BST
Two pretty rubbish sessions if you happened to have tickets for today!
Report DIFERENT GRAVY 12 April 30, 2018 8:03 PM BST
I'd tell the chinky f**kers I only drink coffee
Report Lufc86 April 30, 2018 8:57 PM BST
Chill out amy
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