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Things are certainly not going as the BL management would have hoped for or even expected.
The tour is scheduled to give the BL every opportunity to go into the Test matches unbeaten and that scenario would certainly add to the interest of the general public.
There is now a danger to the BL that this tour becomes a bit of a "whitewash" or the "the Tour of Hell II" (after Eng in Aus in 98).
Without Billy Vunipola (and the 2-3m gain line busts he makes every 5 minutes) the BL have virtually nothing to offer going forward..... other than forward dominated play (pens and catch and drives into the corner)... and a bit of very predictable bash in the centres.
Not particularly difficult to overcome if you have the most talented players in the world.
The pre series 15/8 (+ 6 hcp) Crusaders has obviously now all gone with the Crusaders now (surprisingly only just) slight favs........... for a start, there’s only one team who can win this game by a "hatful"...... and it’s not the BL! (if they win they will be hanging on by 7 points or less in the last 5 mins)........ I’m not sure 5/4 a team that, at best, can only win by one score is great value :)
The BL have now been forced to play several test players against the Crusaders (in order just to compete and keep the tour "alive" competitively) and the real danger to the BL is that come the Test matches the squad could be in pieces and badly beaten up (the NZ Maoris certainly won’t be taking any backward steps in their game v BL).
On a wider issue the British Lions have no iconic figure head / Leader (Willie John.... Martin Johnson etc that all look up to) or no "magician" like Jason Robinson who can suddenly spark things with a dazzling run........... and I feel that the "squad binding" historically, a hallmark of the Lions, just doesn’t exist with this group........ that’s not saying they don’t get on...... it just feels like a group of home internationals thrown together at the end of a very long home season.... on mission impossible....... and in 2017 we live in a diff age to 1974 or Lions yesteryears ........ players are just not going to put their bodies on the line for the BL......player protection and "looking after yourself" is much more of an accepted priority these days.
God luck to BL ......... you're going to need it!!
The tour is scheduled to give the BL every opportunity to go into the Test matches unbeaten and that scenario would certainly add to the interest of the general public.
There is now a danger to the BL that this tour becomes a bit of a "whitewash" or the "the Tour of Hell II" (after Eng in Aus in 98).
Without Billy Vunipola (and the 2-3m gain line busts he makes every 5 minutes) the BL have virtually nothing to offer going forward..... other than forward dominated play (pens and catch and drives into the corner)... and a bit of very predictable bash in the centres.
Not particularly difficult to overcome if you have the most talented players in the world.
The pre series 15/8 (+ 6 hcp) Crusaders has obviously now all gone with the Crusaders now (surprisingly only just) slight favs........... for a start, there’s only one team who can win this game by a "hatful"...... and it’s not the BL! (if they win they will be hanging on by 7 points or less in the last 5 mins)........ I’m not sure 5/4 a team that, at best, can only win by one score is great value :)
The BL have now been forced to play several test players against the Crusaders (in order just to compete and keep the tour "alive" competitively) and the real danger to the BL is that come the Test matches the squad could be in pieces and badly beaten up (the NZ Maoris certainly won’t be taking any backward steps in their game v BL).
On a wider issue the British Lions have no iconic figure head / Leader (Willie John.... Martin Johnson etc that all look up to) or no "magician" like Jason Robinson who can suddenly spark things with a dazzling run........... and I feel that the "squad binding" historically, a hallmark of the Lions, just doesn’t exist with this group........ that’s not saying they don’t get on...... it just feels like a group of home internationals thrown together at the end of a very long home season.... on mission impossible....... and in 2017 we live in a diff age to 1974 or Lions yesteryears ........ players are just not going to put their bodies on the line for the BL......player protection and "looking after yourself" is much more of an accepted priority these days.
God luck to BL ......... you're going to need it!!
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I'm sure they'll be "up for it"........ but value @ 5/4? playing a long way from home against prob the best club team in the world ..... there's been a bit of light rain in Dunedin yesterday (under quarter of an inch) ...... but all looks set fair for a clear dry day (i.e. Saturday in NZ)..... which does the Lions no favours at all.
true but shirley these mugs gotta come good, After the value being with the 2 previous sides they have played i know think it has switched and if Gatland has not got them red hot 4 this and they lose tour is already basically a joke! I will be backing the lions ht ft not very heavily or with great confidence just as value
In fact as dry weather actually materialises, in the hours pre kick off....... a Lions drift is inevitable (for anyone trading)
not so sure watched enough Crusaders games this season to realise there 1 of the most apt teams in the wet actually think dry conditions favour the Lions
A "Value" bet is when you place a bet at better odds than the true odds...... I'm not sure Id be feeling any "value" on the Lions at under 2/1 ...... but each to their own...... yes the Crusaders "go" on any going (their front 5 wont be too far away from the AB front 5)...... so no easy dominance or pens for the Lions like they had against the Blues
I think it's almost inevitable that we will see an improved Lions performance today, but they're going to have to. Like arbster, I don't see any value in the Lions' price.
An improved performance from the Lions "Test team" so far, at least they are competitive.......... if the Lions "Test team" cant win this from here can see the wheels coming off for the remainder of the tour... the Lions are effectively "all in" on this one
Jun 9, 2017 -- 6:13PM, jedi sophie wrote:
Thought Crusaders be shorter,Bet accordingly!1.8.
Are you topping up or is bet accordingly full bank 1.8?
What is it about Lions tour threads that makes them behave strangely?
The worrying thing for the Lions is they effectively havent scored a try in open play for 2.5 games so far
they really r lacking any flair in attack but the crusaders have good D tbf
lions going to regret this inept display in the final third
EZ MONEY
I FEEL 4 ODDS ON CLUB BACKERS AGAINST THE LIONS
I THINK THE WORD IS MUGS
I FEEL 4 ODDS ON CLUB BACKERS AGAINST THE LIONS I THINK THE WORD IS MUGS
Jun 9, 2017 -- 2:13PM, arbster wrote:
A "Value" bet is when you place a bet at better odds than the true odds...... I'm not sure Id be feeling any "value" on the Lions at under 2/1 ...... but each to their own...... yes the Crusaders "go" on any going (their front 5 wont be too far away from the AB front 5)...... so no easy dominance or pens for the Lions like they had against the Blues
VALUE MY FRIEND
Good Call Bob! I think the general opinion was a Crusaders win.
Great so far from Lions but either the cameras are very misleading or I have seen at least 6 clear forward passes that have not been called.
Jun 10, 2017 -- 4:19AM, sageform wrote:
Great so far from Lions but either the cameras are very misleading or I have seen at least 6 clear forward passes that have not been called.
every match these days in Union and league
Good performance from the Lions and shout from Bob. Actually think the Crusaders bottled it a bit. Lots of uncharacteristic errors.
A good performance from the Lions "Test team"... albeit basically forced to declare their hand after only 2 games on tour (todays backline will def be the Test team + 5 or 6 from the pack today)......and no open play tries scored after 3 matches - not good ... injuries and fatigue will ultimately come into play and the AB backlash in the Tests......... but for now congratulations to the Lions (with a typical Northern hemisphere "Saracens" type game plan)
It was the introduction of subs that helped to keep the Crusaders quiet. Watson was an injury replacement but played very well and Sexton, Itoje and Cole all added impetus at the right time. England have improved immensely since they started making subs a key part of the game and not just forced by injury or fatigue.
I think world Rugby overall would be vastly improved if there were no such thing as French referees.
This particular specimen was a terrible blight on what was an otherwise interesting match.
This particular specimen was a terrible blight on what was an otherwise interesting match.
Not announced yet but heard that Hogg's tour is over with eye socket damage. Damn unlucky way to go out
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