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04 Jul 18 10:56
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Theresa May is pleading with European leaders not to shoot down her new Brexit strategy next week, as she prepares to confront cabinet Eurosceptics with a plan that would keep Britain closely aligned with the EU on customs and regulations.

The prime minister, who met Dutch premier Mark Rutte on Tuesday, has indicated she will shift her Brexit negotiating stance at a cabinet meeting at Chequers on Friday, blurring or crossing some of her red lines.

But Mrs May is warning EU leaders she will be perilously exposed if she takes on Brexiter hardliners at Westminster only for her new Brexit strategy to be immediately rejected in Europe. She meets Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, on Thursday.

An EU diplomat said Mrs May was asking her European allies to put pressure on other European leaders and Brussels to make sure her Brexit white paper was not rejected out of hand when it was published next week.

“She wants to ensure it is not shot down straightaway,” said one EU diplomat. “She doesn’t want to be fighting on two fronts.” Mrs May’s allies confirmed that she was asking European colleagues to “engage with the white paper”.

Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief negotiator, has asked Mrs May to produce “workable and realistic” plans, with a suspicion in Brussels that the prime minister is still clinging to a belief that she can pick and choose elements of the single market.

Mrs May’s allies say she is about to confront Tory Eurosceptics with some hard truths at Chequers. “I think we could see one or two resignations,” said one minister close to the prime minister.

The biggest clashes could come over Mrs May’s determination to revive key elements of her preferred customs plan, which would see Britain collecting tariffs for the EU at its borders.

Eurosceptics claimed earlier this month that they had consigned the so-called “new customs partnership” plan “to the abattoir”, but the prime minister’s allies say it is still alive and likely to be resurrected in a different guise.

Cabinet ministers will not be shown this new plan until the eve of the meeting at Chequers, giving them less time to organise resistance. Boris Johnson, foreign secretary, has called the plan “crazy”.

Under the plan Britain would levy EU tariffs and conduct EU customs checks at its ports, streamlining trade. The move has been decried by Eurosceptics as the UK acting as Europe’s “tax collector”.

The UK would be able to lower its tariffs, but complex tracking technology would be needed to work out if goods were heading for British or European markets and to allow companies to claim rebates from HM Revenue & Customs. May’s allies say this part of the scheme needs to be improved.

But they say that she is committed to finding a business-friendly solution. “She is dedicated to frictionless trade, to maintaining just-in-time production systems and avoiding a cliff-edge,” said one close colleague.

The prime minister will also advocate close alignment between Britain and the EU on goods regulations, in an attempt to reduce friction at the border. That could involve some European Court of Justice jurisdiction, crossing a red line.

Pressure will be piled on the Eurosceptics at Chequers by chancellor Philip Hammond, who said on Tuesday he would present ministers with an impact assessment on the different trading models on the table.

Leaked government forecasts obtained by BuzzFeed in January showed that a “no deal” scenario would reduce UK economic growth by 8 percentage points over the next 15 years, compared with current forecasts.

A Canada-style free trade agreement with the EU would see lower growth of 5 percentage points over the same period, while a Norway-style soft Brexit including single market membership would lower growth by 2 percentage points.
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Report lfc1971 July 4, 2018 12:50 PM BST
What’s the problem ?
Report mrtopnotch July 5, 2018 12:04 PM BST
British Prime Minister Theresa May will propose a new plan to ease trade and offer Britain more freedom to set tariffs after Brexit, a last-ditch attempt to unite her divided government on plans to leave the European Union.

Downing Street said Mrs May will unveil the plan - the "facilitated customs arrangement" - to her team of ministers at her country residence Chequers tomorrow, trying to secure an agreement to push on with all-but-stalled Brexit talks.

Mrs May is under increasing pressure from EU officials, companies and some MPs to move forward with negotiations to leave the EU, a departure that will mark Britain's biggest trading and foreign policy shift in almost half a century.

The new plan will see Britain closely mirror EU rules, use technology to determine where goods will end up and therefore which tariffs should be applied, and hand Britain the freedom to set its own tariffs on goods.

Her aides suggest the plan "offers the best of both worlds".

But tomorrow’s crunch meeting will not be plain sailing.

Brexit Secretary David Davis has sent a letter to Mrs May to describe the plan as "unworkable", a source close to him said, and supporters of Britain leaving the EU fear being kept in the EU's customs sphere - something they see as a betrayal.

Mrs May was forced to ditch her preferred option for a customs partnership, which would have seen Britain collecting tariffs on goods entering the country on the EU's behalf, under pressure from Brexit campaigners in her government.

They had backed a streamlined customs arrangement now known as "max fac", which would see traders on an approved list or "trusted traders" to cross borders freely with the aid of automated technology.

The facilitated customs arrangement is seen by her aides as a way to use the best bits of both options. For Brexit supporters wanting a clean break from the EU, it seems to be a re-branding of her preferred option that would essentially keep Britain in the EU's customs union.

The plan suggests there will be a type of customs union for goods, something that should please manufacturers. But based on the detail offered so far, there is little on how Britain's large services sector will trade with the EU.

"Nobody would have believed you two years ago if you said we wouldn't have answers to the fundamental questions about what our trading relationship is going to look like," said a senior executive at one of Britain's largest banks.

"This is a disaster for Britain."
Report Foinavon July 5, 2018 1:16 PM BST
04 Jul 18 12:50
Joined: 06 Nov 11 | Topic/replies: 23,996 | Blogger: lfc1971's blog
What’s the problem ?

One problem is that he doesn't give a sh*t about copyright law

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2018. All rights reserved. (that was yesterday's, todays is probably from Reuters originally.)
Report mrtopnotch July 5, 2018 5:02 PM BST
Go way your old fool - I already told you that you should head to the Old Peoples Home now! - go on off with you!
Report Foinavon July 5, 2018 7:37 PM BST
Dear oh dear, the same old broken record from Mr T. The day may arrive when he has something useful to say, It could be a long wait.
Report Dr Crippen July 5, 2018 8:43 PM BST
Go way your old fool

Which is the usual response from a leftie.
Report Dr Crippen July 5, 2018 8:45 PM BST
All that tripe, and not one word can he claim his own as far as I can see.
Report 1st time poster July 6, 2018 1:05 PM BST
on the verge of getting sacked
trying to delay the fobt decision because her partner is the bookies fav lobbyist,patsy
her hard brexit vision becoming a blamanche brext

must be the sacrificial lamb who resigns today

any betting,or should i contact her squeeze
Report politicspunter July 6, 2018 1:46 PM BST
Esther McVey is 6.0 on the betfair exchange to be first cabinet minister to go.
Report InsiderTrader July 6, 2018 2:10 PM BST
With so many of the people May choose for her cabinet wants us to remain in the EU it is hard to see how anything can be agreed. They all signed up to leaving the ECJ, the single market and customs union but now they are trying to drag it out for as long as possible.

Aligning ourselves on goods only would be pointless as most of our exports are services.

The EU will not even talk about trade with us so what is point anyway?
Report PorcupineorPineapple July 6, 2018 2:18 PM BST
I think the idea that this is simply Remainers dragging it out is nothing more than wishful thinking.

This was a plan doomed to failure before the vote since there was zero preparation and it soon became clear that extricating ourselves would take substantially longer than 2 years. May going all gung ho and setting the ball rolling as one of her first acts was another in a long line of blunders.

It's not remainers that's the problem, it's reality.
Report InsiderTrader July 6, 2018 2:44 PM BST
This is the situation

1. May says we are leaving the Customs Union.
2. EU says you have to stay in the CU or we will not sign a trade deal using the Irish border as the excuse.

It is as simple as that.
Report PorcupineorPineapple July 6, 2018 2:52 PM BST
Any links as to point 2 there?
Report enpassant July 6, 2018 3:00 PM BST
It seems to tactics today are likely to be the hardliners get a minimum of what they want (even if they know the minimum may not be worth the breath to say it) and kick the can again.
Report InsiderTrader July 6, 2018 3:19 PM BST

Let me clarify.

EU says there has to be regulatory alignment between NI and the EU or there will be a hard border. Ireland says it will veto any trade agreement if this is the case.

Have you been asleep the last few months??????
Report PorcupineorPineapple July 6, 2018 3:34 PM BST
Not to get in the way of fantasy but,

Actually, both the UK and EU agreed that there would be a solution to the issue that guaranteed the Good Friday Agreement. That's not an edict from the EU, that's an agreement.

It was also agreed (remember The Row Of The Summer!!!) that sufficient progress on the Irish border, divorce payments and the rights of EU citizens needed to be in place before trade could be discussed.

That's right, agreed. By both sides. Us and them. Now whose fault is it if we agree to something and then a month later squabble amongst ourselves with some saying they don't want to agree to it at all. Whose fault is it if we can't agree on what kind of trade agreement we even want?

If we could harness the power of brexiters to blame everything and everyone for this mess apart from themselves we could fuel our cars for the next decade frankly.
Report InsiderTrader July 6, 2018 3:44 PM BST
We agreed no hard border.

But the only SOLUTION they will accept is for the same regulations in NI and Ireland i.e. they annex NI or the whole UK has to stay in a CU.
Report PorcupineorPineapple July 6, 2018 4:00 PM BST
Again, that's your biased slant rather than the actual facts.

We just had to come up with a solution that's all.

My slant is that if we don't want a border then customary alignment is inevitable. If next year we sign a trade deal with the US which sees lots of food and medicines in NI which are deemed unsafe under current EU law, how do they protect their citizens from them? Trust?

Daft thing is that with NI overwhelmingly voting Remain then most people would probably be happy with this alignment. It's only the fact that yet another blunder was the calling of the election and now the government are beholden to a bunch of ideological knuckle draggers who would rather cut their own noses off.

Again though, this was all inevitable and should have been foreseen. If we wanted to separate ourselves from the EU we should have been paying particular attention to the one part of the country that actually borders it and seeing what the implications would be. As per usual, there has been very little interest in the impact of anyone outside of London.

This isn't the EU causing problems, it's just reality and our lack of appreciation of it.
Report InsiderTrader July 6, 2018 4:04 PM BST
The EU wants full alignment and will accept nothing short of that. they will then no doubt want more money as well.
Report PorcupineorPineapple July 6, 2018 4:47 PM BST
Again, you're confusing your own bias with the actual truth. Careful there.
Report Dr Crippen July 6, 2018 4:53 PM BST
I agree with IT.

I feel it's PP who is confusing his own bias with the truth.
Report PorcupineorPineapple July 6, 2018 4:56 PM BST
Ok. That's 2 brain cells agreeing with IT. Any more?
Report InsiderTrader July 6, 2018 5:11 PM BST
Ok PP explain a situation that you think will be acceptable to the undemocratic EU on Ireland WITHOUT a customers union and/or regulatory alignment between NI and ROI.
Report 1st time poster July 6, 2018 5:15 PM BST
LOL. Jacob rees mogg ,treason may is a woman of the highest integrity,
except when she looked the queen in the eye was asked a question about the dup and lied through her teeth,and rees mogg thinks she wouldn't lie through her teeth to a wally like him, LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Dr Crippen July 6, 2018 5:22 PM BST
Ok. That's 2 brain cells agreeing with IT. Any more?

Is there any point in debating with someone who throws a tantrum so quickly as PP?
Report PorcupineorPineapple July 6, 2018 5:48 PM BST
Dunno IT, not my job.

That's for the people charged with delivering what they promised.
Report TheBetterBettor July 6, 2018 6:11 PM BST
Biggest mistake made by all the leave voters was to vote for 'Remain' MPs in the last general election.
Report 1st time poster July 6, 2018 6:18 PM BST
you can make rees mogg pm, fill the cabinet with brexiteers still doesn't alter the numbers in the house of commons or the eu,s position
only thing that's happening now is hard line brexiteers in the cabinet are looking for an alternative to the silver revolver as their limousines mean far more to them than the brexit they promised 17 million people
Report TheBetterBettor July 6, 2018 9:14 PM BST
A light remain....

What was point of having that referendum?
Report enpassant July 6, 2018 9:20 PM BST
The point was to appease the right of the Tory party. It didn't.
Report enpassant July 6, 2018 9:56 PM BST
"  May made clear that she now intended to assert her authority over cabinet, with a warning that dissenting ministers would be sacked. The prime minister wrote to Tory MPs to explain her plans saying: “As we developed our policy on Brexit I have allowed cabinet colleagues to express their individual views. Agreement on this proposal marks the point where that is no longer the case and collective responsibility is now fully restored.”  "
Report SontaranStratagem July 7, 2018 12:21 AM BST
What is she still doing there Laugh

Lost a majority, not enough votes to get things through, no idea regarding brexit, shes the most inept pm ever, cameron was forced to resign after the leave vote

Yet shes sitting pretty 14 months after that shambles
Report 1st time poster July 7, 2018 4:01 AM BST
gove,boris.davis,fox etc now agree to be bound by collective cabinet responsibility ,3 days ago the dripping wet rees mogg was bringing down the government,what an absolute foooking shower of shoite,surely they,ll have to reach for the silvere revolver or spend the rest of their political careers as laughing stocks. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Dr Crippen July 7, 2018 9:44 AM BST
Why debate with crippen the cretin?

Didn't think I was debating. Just poking fun at the village idiot, that's all.

More tantrums from the tots.
Report melv July 7, 2018 10:20 AM BST
But they say that she is committed to finding a business-friendly solution. “She is dedicated to frictionless trade, to maintaining just-in-time production systems and avoiding a cliff-edge,” said one close colleague.

The prime minister will also advocate close alignment between Britain and the EU on goods regulations, in an attempt to reduce friction at the border. That could involve some European Court of Justice jurisdiction, crossing a red line.

Some cap and in some very weak hand. Please remember in order to survive any club must ensure its members are better off than those who leave. And those who leave must be worse off than when they stayed in. Its not evil its not even pragmatism its pure innocent survival instincts. This is not helped by Farage and his fan boys gleefully wanting the EU to die ( while cashing their massive EU pensions of course).
Report Dr Crippen July 7, 2018 10:58 AM BST
Goods regulations?
That's easy just carry on as we're doing now, we still adopt our exports to their regulations.
The same as we adapt our exports to foreign standards when we send them anywhere else.
Where's the problem?
Most of these so-called stumbling blocks hardly exist.
Report moisok July 7, 2018 4:12 PM BST
as someone said - why do we need to do a deal with the Eu
Report TheBetterBettor July 7, 2018 4:29 PM BST
With all eyes on england doing well at the world cup....its a good day to have a sh1te brexit.
Report InsiderTrader July 7, 2018 5:25 PM BST
'The borders between the UK and EU will be treated as a "combined customs territory".

The UK would apply domestic tariffs and trade policies for goods intended for the UK, but charge EU tariffs and their equivalents for goods which will end up heading into the EU.'

How on earth will this work in practice?
Report SontaranStratagem July 8, 2018 1:33 AM BST

Jul 7, 2018 -- 10:29AM, TheBetterBettor wrote:

With all eyes on england doing well at the world cup....its a good day to have a sh1te brexit.

If England win it this will be completely forgotten about along with Tommy Robinson as well, it will kill that robinson movement stone dead if England win it, but I bet pound to a penny if we do it the people will ignore this brexit stuff, and 18 months down the line when people no longer have human rights they will be asking why

Well it was when you were occupied with how England were doing CryCry

Report SontaranStratagem July 8, 2018 1:35 AM BST
I'm not saying don't enjoy England's run or the weather

But don't let them take your eye of the issues we face either

They will be ramping up the England World Cup from now until Wednesday, and should we get through that game it'll be all we'll hear about until after the world cup, and if we win it you can only imagine, its a fantastic opportunity to keep us all distracted for weeks.
Report Dr Crippen July 8, 2018 10:33 AM BST
If we do follow the football and take our eyes off the issues for a while, what difference will it make?
Report TheBetterBettor July 8, 2018 2:25 PM BST
Britian vs Europe and America in the next Ryder cup
Report PorcupineorPineapple July 8, 2018 2:33 PM BST
Result would be about the same as brexit
Report mrtopnotch July 10, 2018 9:45 AM BST
Well I did say it would be interesting, even though a few old fools didn't listen, especially one from his rocking chair Laugh
Report melv July 10, 2018 4:19 PM BST
Well played Top. I'll be looking  out for your future heads up.
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