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Esox
01 Jul 18 14:44
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https://www.fbu.org.uk/news/2018/02/08/firefighters-union-horrified-increase-people-dying-fires
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Report Esox July 1, 2018 2:53 PM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqO38H9ipOA

Typical Boris.
Report enpassant July 1, 2018 4:25 PM BST
And the NHS and with police and crime - it's all only going to get worse sine any Tory government despise public services.
Report enpassant July 1, 2018 4:25 PM BST
*since
Report InsiderTrader July 1, 2018 6:10 PM BST
Correlation does not imply causation.
Report enpassant July 1, 2018 6:44 PM BST
All pure coincidence !
Report bongo July 1, 2018 8:07 PM BST
Is spending higher or lower than in 2007?
Are government subsidies to coat flats with stuff that turns out to produce chimney effects higher or lower than in 2007?
Report Dr Crippen July 2, 2018 10:02 PM BST
Fire incidents have increased in England by 9% for the year ending September 2017, having already increased the previous year (2015-2016).

With an increase in fires you'd expect an increase in deaths regardless of anything else.

22 more people died if you take out the Grenfell Towers fire. Which is around 9% more and in line with the increase in fire incidents.

Why wasn't the increase in fire incidents mentioned in the title?

Is someone trying to mislead us?
Report Dr Crippen July 2, 2018 10:06 PM BST
The figures suggest that the cuts to fire services has not resulted in any more deaths if they're taken as a percentage of fire incidents.
Report PorcupineorPineapple July 3, 2018 7:59 AM BST
"if you take out the Grenfell Towers fire"..."Is someone trying to mislead us"
Laugh
Report lfc1971 July 3, 2018 8:21 AM BST
They are recruiting the wrong people into the fire service , ( diversity and other factors ) that can be seen in the incompetence shown at grenfell
Report lfc1971 July 3, 2018 8:26 AM BST
It’s the same story with the police service  also
Report lfc1971 July 3, 2018 8:33 AM BST
The fire service needs practical people , people who have a natural aptitude to come up with practical solutions to problems
these types of people are not found by recruiting from university and fast reacted into positions
It is a different kind of skill and intelligence , found more often than not within people who are working class and it is they who should be making the decisions in the ground as part of a team , as they see the problems and dangers ,
And they solve it themselves , not someone from behind a desk
Report lfc1971 July 3, 2018 8:38 AM BST
And it will or should be men who do this job , no women
( seem to recall they had a woman fire officer spokesperson  at the press conferences on the scene as the fire at grrnfell was being tackled
Haven’t seen her since )
Report Dr Crippen July 3, 2018 10:07 AM BST
"if you take out the Grenfell Towers fire"..."Is someone trying to mislead us"

One fire responsible for so many deaths.
No one would seriously expect to include an incident like that in the broad figures. Even that link from the fire fighters union quoted it separately.

Yet the breakdown of the figures sends PP into hysterics. 
Which says more about him than anything else.
Report Dr Crippen July 3, 2018 10:17 AM BST
The numbers of fires started have increased by 9%.

Are the cuts responsible for that?
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