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tony57
15 Jun 18 09:20
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/universal-credit-roll-out-report-beneifts-work-pensions-dwp-value-for-money-a8399026.html

costs more than the 6 benefits it took over from?causes misery for claiments,and has been ruled UNLAWFULL in the supreme court yesterday? may i remind those who defended this attack on the poorest in our society some of us forsaw all of this and critics including charitys, labour party, the goverments OWN watchdog...told the tories to dropt it after 18mths while it could be done and to cut the waste and costs..but now it seems this report says UC is here to stay as NOW IT HAS COST SO MUCH that its only viable to carry on...what a daming inditment of conservative party policys and also showing the ignorance and utter stupidity of those who defended this policy. its a says it all about tory policy ,austerity was forced on us to save money?
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Report lfc1971 June 15, 2018 9:34 AM BST
so it will save money then? good
Report tony57 June 15, 2018 10:21 AM BST
lfc1971

can you read?do you grasp the report?..all who have looked at it say ..NO..IT IS COSTING MORE NOW AND WE WILL NEVER RECOUP what was put in...i find it sad that you would rather promote your conservative bias than be honest about what has and is going on..the NAO IS RESPECTED..
Report lfc1971 June 15, 2018 10:52 AM BST
tony can you explain how if it is reducing , changing, benefits how this is costing more?
Report Dr Crippen June 15, 2018 10:59 AM BST
If UC saves money and gets people back into work then what's the problem?

There's an old saying which says ''a penny saved is a penny earned.''

These charities banging the drum; they would wouldn't they?
If they can't sell the idea of deprivation for certain groups to the public then charitable donations reduce, and first and foremost they're all about making money.

The same applies to the left-wing press, their job is to put everything the government does in a bad light.
You can safely dismiss most of what they write.
Report 1st time poster June 15, 2018 11:08 AM BST
lays bare the truth of the so called tory jobs miracle, 10% of claiments so far moved onto in cr4edit which they say is a  million people ,that must mean 10 million people are claiming universal benefit,so much for 2 million unemployed what makes up the other 8 million,taxpayers money running into billions subsidising multi international corporations, any fool can sell £10 notes for a fiver
Report donny osmond June 15, 2018 11:15 AM BST
seems as if the government are making a mess of selling £10 notes for a fiver

still breakfast is going well

Laugh
Report anxious June 15, 2018 12:02 PM BST
Will not save no money , in fact cost more to implement , typical vindictive tory policy designed to destroy the Social Security system ,
Report lfc1971 June 15, 2018 12:35 PM BST
There is only one problem , not just with this new system but before it

The change was made to give the tenants the rent money instead of it going to the landlord
Some idiot thought this was a good idea

Give the money to the Landord
Report tony57 June 15, 2018 3:04 PM BST
In October, a landlord called @mrjamesob to say that Universal Credit was leaving his tenant with mental health issues. Today, he called back to reveal the tenant killed himself.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/man-killed-himself-denied-universal-credit/
Report tony57 June 15, 2018 3:08 PM BST
lfc
everybody told the goveremnt this was abad idea..charitys, parliment, NOA,the dwp union, everyone..the torys would not listen..they said it was about making people take responibilty for there lives and bills...thats fine if your not dealing with debt problems, drugs, mental health, etc...it is a main reason for a big increse in homelessness? quite frankly its a stain on our morality as a country..286% increase in people sleeping rough...food banks...nothing to do with the torys though eh..
Report Dr Crippen June 15, 2018 3:14 PM BST
There used to be a stigma attached to the practice of living on benefits.

Whatever happened to that?
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 15, 2018 3:24 PM BST
People realised that the only people who would look to stigmatise someone needing benefits are worthless scum and not worth worrying about.
Report anxious June 15, 2018 3:55 PM BST
Well said PP , the appalling tory campaign by osbourne , cameron  etc 2010 was divide and conquer at its worst , but then we only have to look back to tebbit and his bike for further proof of the Spivs propganda
Report Dr Crippen June 15, 2018 4:04 PM BST
People realised that the only people who would look to stigmatise someone needing benefits are worthless scum and not worth worrying about.


I see.
Report Dr Crippen June 15, 2018 4:05 PM BST
When benefits come in through the front door, self-respect goes out the back door.
Report Dr Crippen June 15, 2018 4:07 PM BST
I'm surprised at anxious backing the benefits culture, I thought he said he stands on his own two feet.
Report anxious June 15, 2018 4:14 PM BST
Crippen i do stand on my two feet , but there are many a time we all need help and a shoulder to lean on
Report anxious June 15, 2018 4:15 PM BST
He who cast the first stone and all that
Report Dr Crippen June 15, 2018 4:27 PM BST
but there are many a time we all need help and a shoulder to lean on

That means all their lives for some people, or the biggest part of it for others.

That's why it's essential we don't make living on benefits too comfortable and kick ass to discourage people from doing it.
Report politicspunter June 15, 2018 7:39 PM BST

Jun 15, 2018 -- 3:24PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:


People realised that the only people who would look to stigmatise someone needing benefits are worthless scum and not worth worrying about.


Lol. spot on!

Report lfc1971 June 15, 2018 7:56 PM BST
No young person should be allowed to be unemployed it’s bad for them
They should be forced to work
Report lfc1971 June 15, 2018 8:01 PM BST
The basic principle behind universal credits is a good one , but of course any mistakes are amplified by the usual suspects
Report 1st time poster June 15, 2018 8:38 PM BST
still no explanation as to why the so called tory jobs miracle and the uk,s highest ever employment ends up with 10 million people claiming universal credit, seem like theres millions of jobs which without taxpayer subsidies no one caN AFFORD TO HAVE
Report Dr Crippen June 15, 2018 9:18 PM BST
No young person should be allowed to be unemployed it’s bad for them
They should be forced to work


Spot on.

Plenty of work for them in the fields picking fruit and vegetables. 
They might learn a bit of self-respect in the process.

Although the disgusting socialists would prefer to see them on the scrap heap of life and become lifelong Labour voters.
Report Dr Crippen June 16, 2018 9:58 AM BST
People realised that the only people who would look to stigmatise someone needing benefits are worthless scum and not worth worrying about.

Benefit claimers stigmatise themselves by their behaviour, and using language like the above it's not hard to see why.
Who'd want someone like that living next door?
Report tony57 June 16, 2018 2:52 PM BST
The Office for Disability Issues, a DWP policy unit, has seen its staff cut from 48 to 20. These people were dealing with disability inequality. And now the DWP admit that none of the bodies set up as part of its disability strategy have met in almost a year. They do not care.
Report Dr Crippen June 16, 2018 3:28 PM BST
''disability inequality.''

Is that like when a place of business has failed to put in a special piece of equipment in case someone with a disability might pop in once in a blue moon?

I've seen plenty of examples where special equipment has been installed and no one with a disability has ever set foot in the place or ever likely to.
Report Shab June 16, 2018 5:31 PM BST
The Office for Disability Issues, a DWP policy unit, has seen its staff cut from 48 to 20

They have obviously done such a good job that their work is mainly done.

Surely if they were taking more people on, that would show a need? Lefty crazy thinking - "we need to keep people in jobs for the sake of it"
Report SontaranStratagem June 16, 2018 10:14 PM BST
I can't believe some people actually defend things like this,

its fine to say lazy people should be forced to work fair enough, there are a few lazy bu** out there and they are but a very small minority. but in fact its cheaper just to let them sign on and let them float through life on their a**** imo, if they wanna sit around doing sod all then let them, they don't take up much money do they? so what is the point of trying to stop a small number of people from lounging around, they'll just turn to petty crime and make other peoples lives a misery, you ain't getting these people into work, they are unemployable for a reason (bad attitudes and generally useless because of it)

Theres people out there who need the benefits though, and making their lives hard is cruel, you wont bother the lazy few as i said, but you will kill of the vulnerable and that's inhuman.
Report flushgordon1 June 16, 2018 11:00 PM BST
Look ss your benefits will come stop bloody whining.
Report Dr Crippen June 17, 2018 11:20 AM BST
if they wanna sit around doing sod all then let them

And no one is stopping them.
It's when they go down the job centre telling lies and begging for money that their problems start.
Report anxious June 17, 2018 12:30 PM BST
Is there not one day that passes by without you lecturing and and bad mouthing people who probably have little money and are trying to make ends meet , seriously are you so full of bitterness  that it comes out in your posts
Report politicspunter June 17, 2018 12:47 PM BST

Jun 17, 2018 -- 12:30PM, anxious wrote:


Is there not one day that passes by without you lecturing and and bad mouthing people who probably have little money and are trying to make ends meet , seriously are you so full of bitterness

Report politicspunter June 17, 2018 12:48 PM BST
never a truer word spoken.
Report lfc1971 June 17, 2018 1:59 PM BST
It is reprehensible to ignore the poor, many although not all are layabouts
there are no poor people in Britain so pipe down
Report Dr Crippen June 17, 2018 5:25 PM BST
seriously are you so full of bitterness  that it comes out in your posts

I feel that's most unfair.
There's no bitterness in me whatsoever, and as you may have noticed I rarely call scroungers any names.

I believe in saving people from their own indolence.
Sometimes a little nudge is all that is needed for them to be put back on the straight and narrow, and gain some self respect through working.
And at other times, a hefty kick up the backside is needed to do the same.

So you see, my comments are always based on good intentions.
Report politicspunter June 17, 2018 7:53 PM BST
"I rarely call scroungers any names."
Report politicspunter June 17, 2018 8:01 PM BST
says the forums most bitter person
Report Dr Crippen June 18, 2018 10:18 AM BST
WARNING WARNING!
Report lfc1971 June 18, 2018 10:25 AM BST
Laugh
Report akabula June 21, 2018 10:03 PM BST
politicspunter
says the forums most bitter person


Says the most bitter and abusive poster on here.
Report Whisperingdeath June 22, 2018 2:01 PM BST
I think too many play the system, not just the idle but Companies and Property owners to. In fact many " Captains of Industry " are not too averse to raking in the tax payers cash. Just look at Branson and his Virgin Trains. Happy to have a monopoly position while proclaiming the virtues of Capitalism. BHS...over one quarter of their workers were on benefits! I wonder how many had their rent paid for them subsidised by the tax payer? I know of an instance where a girl wanted to work extra hours at the hospital by she was told " why?" that would lead to a cut in your benefits! ". BTL Landlords too are raking it in at the expense of the British Tax Payer, a legacy of Thatchers Britain.

We need to export our bone idle non workers to places like Romania and Poland.
Report lfc1971 June 22, 2018 3:06 PM BST
I want to go to Poland
Report moisok June 22, 2018 7:37 PM BST
there's 420000 romanians over here - we woz warned by barage but it was ok coz govt said it would be 13000   anyone remember that one
Report Whisperingdeath June 23, 2018 6:25 PM BST
I haven't got a problem with anyone who wants to work. Work, pay taxes and don't break the law. Send our bone idle scroungers in return!

While we are at it send those who don't pay their fair share!

No representation without taxation!
Report posy June 24, 2018 10:14 PM BST
I agree 'universal credit' is hugely expensive ;surely the answer is to stop all credits and to reopen Work Houses where those incapable of supporting themselves financially can be housed and given basic rations in return for carrying out work in the community.Naturally men and women would be separated in the Work House as indeed would the children who would receive a proper education to ensure that at the age of 16 they are capable of earning a living.
Report sageform June 25, 2018 9:15 AM BST
The lesson surely is that Governments of any colour almost always make a mess of anything to do with money. That is why nationalising will only make things worse.
Report anxious June 25, 2018 10:31 AM BST
lol i doubt anybody could get it much worse than handing 58 million to 9 Water Executives over 5 years, do people really believe the garbage that Spiv Culture pumps out every day.
Report tony57 July 8, 2018 4:26 PM BST
it never stops...


https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/young-woman-riddled-tumours-stripped-14864309
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