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sageform
07 Jan 18 14:48
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I admit to knowing little about this recent appointee to the "Office for Students" whatever that is but as one of its objectives is to preserve free speech in Universities it is ironic that Mr. Young is facing the sack for exercising free speech! Very much a sign of the times. The film 1984 was an accurate reflection of where politics is going.
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Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 1:17 PM GMT
it's not like Johnson has made any past statements he'd like to disown

Laugh

brilliant defence.  It'll be, the BBC made it all up next.
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 1:17 PM GMT
Now if bigpop is so silly or so dishonest not to understand that then that is the problem right there
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 1:20 PM GMT
right on cue:

if a thread needs diverting - who's the man for the job?

Laugh
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 1:21 PM GMT
And another silly face to try and divert from the issue
Report Dr Crippen January 9, 2018 1:22 PM GMT
brilliant defence

Defence of what?
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 1:22 PM GMT
The issue of Toby Young's 40,000 deleted tweets and lost government job?
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 1:23 PM GMT
Now there are at least 15 other people on this board , have we gone over everything they have said in the past
And if not why not ?
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 1:24 PM GMT
The issue of Toby Young's 40,000 deleted tweets and lost government job?
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 1:26 PM GMT
Now there are at least 15 other people on this board , have we gone over everything they have said in the past
And if not why not ?


is this about toby Young?
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 1:27 PM GMT
Defence of what?

if your idiot BJ
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 1:28 PM GMT
No , why does it have to
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 1:31 PM GMT
the thread title is a short one.

I'm led to believe that deleted tweets included that he was masturbating over pictures of refugees.

This is a government job he'd been given.  Is it "PC gone mad" to get rid of this guy, or simple decency?
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 1:34 PM GMT
BJ in pics with Young because:

As Editor of the Spectator (later sacked for making up stories, "Fake News") BJ commissioned work from TY as a writer. As Cabinet Minister BJ endorses TY's government job.

doesn't look good for anyone associated with these people.  Not surprising the usual suspects here trying to change the subject.
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 1:36 PM GMT
ok , sack him..and also sack every politician including Corbyn who has voiced support for murderers and terrorists
And anyone else who has said or written anything offensive ..
Starting with Corbyn
Until that happens I don't care about Young
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 1:37 PM GMT
or is that the kind of thing that falls into a "simple mistake made in an unguarded moment" ?

Hopefully we don't think it's a "mistake" which anyone could make in an unfortunate moment of forgetting themselves?

Assume none of us here need to check our own social media histories to know we haven't made these sorts of "mistakes" ?
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 1:38 PM GMT
And not just government jobs, any job and anyone in any job who has said anything offensive
They should lose their job also, very good
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 1:39 PM GMT
agreed anyone who feels they need to delete 40,000 tweets to maintain a level of public decency should be sacked.
Report moisok January 9, 2018 1:39 PM GMT
It is beyond me why certain genders should be considered for any job ahead of any gender on the basis of gender.
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 1:42 PM GMT
Of course words can destroy and cause offence , and damage something good
That is important for us all to understand
It is better to be silent often
But that is not what we are talking about here
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 1:43 PM GMT
Why is it not?
Because you have only to look at the type of people, like bigpop
claiming to be offended ..that's all you need to know
Don't trust them, they don't deserve to be trusted
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 1:44 PM GMT
he's deleted 40,000 tweets - he therefore is trying to hide what he said. And yes - it would have been better for his job prospects here if he'd kept silent.
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 1:46 PM GMT
i'm not claiming to be offended and I'm not asking for your trust.

I'm simply saying this is a non-controversial situation. 

You cannot publicly post a tweet to a woman that you are masturbating over pics of refugees and hope for employment by the government.  Toby young agrees with me - he deleted the tweets...
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 1:48 PM GMT
People in soviet Russia , people in Nazi Germany , people in fundamental Islamic states have to delete tweets
It doesn't mean they are guilty if anything they can be innocent and the people they fear guilty
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 1:50 PM GMT
what's your point?

is it acceptable to you to tweet about masturbating over pics of refugees because elsewhere there are totalitarian regimes?
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 1:52 PM GMT
An offensive tweet yes, but that is not the same thing as saying he should lose his job
If he should then anything offensive in any possible way would mean dismissal
That's not possible in a free society
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 1:53 PM GMT
so you don't think this disqualifies him from earning public money?
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 1:55 PM GMT
You see a totalitarian regime oppresses freedom of thought and speech
It's quite dangerous , is it possible to have ignored what young said , was it dangerous in any way to anyone else
No.
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 1:56 PM GMT
I don't believe that the job should exist in the first place, so it's hit nothing to do with money
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 1:58 PM GMT
we are not saying it wasn't offensive , he shouldn't have said it it is crass and stupid
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:02 PM GMT
We don't like the hypocracy of people who will happily vote for and refuse to condemn murderers who get elected to government ...that's public money also but not a peep out of bigpop or biscuits
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:02 PM GMT
he deleted 40,000 tweets so he thinks he did something wrong.

and, FWIW, the job itself has responsibilities so the idea that we should ignore the offending tweets (while it's true we could) to do so would be to ignore the fact that we would be giving him a job where his ability to make sound decisions would matter.  He's shown his ability to do this to be suspect.
Report unitedbiscuits January 9, 2018 2:02 PM GMT
Whatever side Toby Young is on, I want to be on the other. Unfortunately, T May does not have that luxury, she is hostage to Brexit, in all its ugliness.
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:03 PM GMT
We don't like the hypocracy of people who will happily vote for and refuse to condemn murderers who get elected to government ...that's public money also but not a peep out of bigpop or biscuits

you ought to explain this.

who have I voted for who's a murderer?
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:03 PM GMT
Now there is saying something stupid and crass, and there is murder and torture
Don't confuse one with the other
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:05 PM GMT
I'll give you 5 minutes to apologise/withdraw or I'll report your post.
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:05 PM GMT
I didn't say you voted for them bigpop, just I have never heard a peep from you condemning them in government , or the people who voted for them and the Labour Party members and leadership who supported them
I could be wrong
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:06 PM GMT
that a withdrawal?
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:06 PM GMT
Read again what I said carefully you prat
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:06 PM GMT
We don't like the hypocracy of people who will happily vote for and refuse to condemn murderers who get elected to government ...that's public money also but not a peep out of bigpop or biscuits
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:09 PM GMT
The people who refuse to condemn murderers  who get elected , well do you condemn that or not ?
And di you condemn the people who vote for them which is it ?
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:11 PM GMT
Now if you have done I apologise , let's see
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:12 PM GMT
who's the murderer?

And before you answer - bear in mind, that if they haven't been convicted of murder I'll be reporting your post.
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:18 PM GMT
Let's see, let's start at the top, McGuiness , IRA leader responsible for murder and torture and killing of innocent men women and children
He was voted into parliament , so you agree or condemn that ?
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:22 PM GMT
If is my belief that anyone who was a member of a terrorist organisation that killed and maimed for life innocent men women and children should not be voted into government
public money also , doyou condemn that
Lets see
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:23 PM GMT
Think about it
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:24 PM GMT
I know your standards are high and you get upset by offensive tweets
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:25 PM GMT
you're good at diverting threads, I'll give you that...

I don't have strong opinions about McGuinness - put me down with the Queen; she met him and shook his hand in 2012.

But if your point is that a refusal to condemn someone you deem to be a murderer disqualifies my opinion on another case (Toby Young) then you're as guilty of being a thought-fascist as the people you accuse of the same.  You cannot deal with the issues on Toby Young so you divert and raise counter-claims and subjects.
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:26 PM GMT
and he hasn't been convicted of murder by the way, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on him...
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:29 PM GMT
and I've never voted for him, or indeed had the chance to.

We don't like the hypocracy of people who will happily vote for and refuse to condemn murderers who get elected to government ...that's public money also but not a peep out of bigpop or biscuits
Report Meadow X1 January 9, 2018 2:30 PM GMT
No surprise thicko lfc flagging hopelessly in defence of Toby Young so tries to divert as usual by saying Martin McGuiness is a convicted murderer which is simply lies.
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:31 PM GMT
I've already said that I find most of what young said and says is offensive
I dint think he is qualified for the job, I think he is an idiot
But my point is it is the nature of people like you that is more dangerous
Of course you have no trouble condemning young , who as far as I know has done some good work and has put time and effort into school education at least
You can condemn him forcefully .., but not McGuiness and not the people who would vote him into government
Well that tells us all we need to know about your high morals
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:32 PM GMT
There's meadows , another example of selective blindness
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:33 PM GMT
you've lost. 

You're now into personal attacks based on assumed opinions of your opponent in debate.
Report Meadow X1 January 9, 2018 2:33 PM GMT
I don't come on here and accuse people of being convicted murderers as you have just done.
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:34 PM GMT
That's ok, it's not a competition
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:35 PM GMT
Still no answer I notice, or condemnation
That's ok , sometimes the question is more important than the answer
More enlightening
You don't have to answer
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:35 PM GMT
of course it is fine to be bested in debate.  It happens all the time, and doesn't even mean you're wrong necessarily.

it's not right to accuse ordinary people (like me) of siding with or defending murderers.  It's highly offensive.
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:37 PM GMT
Meadows he admitted he was part of the IRA, they murdered and bombed and tortured and maimed
That means he is a murderer
Report 1st time poster January 9, 2018 2:39 PM GMT
I,ll divert the thread should a man tweeting 40,000 sexist, racist, mysog tweets be given taxpayers money to start up free schools on the basis he wasn't happy about the schools available for his kids,he,s probably still governor of at least one of these free schools
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:39 PM GMT
Now now bigpop don't be dishonest again
Read what I said, read it carefully
Report Meadow X1 January 9, 2018 2:40 PM GMT
bigpoppa,

Lfc is thick as mince. He doesn't realise that he spouts drivel and sidelines topic after topic, in this case accusing someone of being a convicted murderer, which is a complete lie. He then accuses other folks on here of voting and supporting this person. You are wasting your time posting in response to someone of that nature.
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:41 PM GMT
my understanding of our current impasse:

you have posted that McGuiness is a murderer and are demanding I answer your questions about him as means of establishing whether I can hold valid opinions (in your view) on other subjects.
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:41 PM GMT
More lies from meadows , where did I say he was a convicted murderer ?
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:42 PM GMT
I understand Meadow.  I'm amusing myself.
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:43 PM GMT
You can hold opinions on everything and anything bigpop
But what they are regards McGuiness being fit to receive public money in government I don't know
Still you won't answer , that's ok
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:45 PM GMT
We know you don't like the idea of Young receiving public money , neither do I
What about mcguinness ?
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:46 PM GMT
why?
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:46 PM GMT
I'm interested
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:46 PM GMT
We don't like the hypocracy of people who will happily vote for and refuse to condemn murderers who get elected to government
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:47 PM GMT
More lies from meadows , where did I say he was a convicted murderer
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:47 PM GMT

Let's see, let's start at the top, McGuiness , IRA leader responsible for murder and torture and killing of innocent men women and children
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:48 PM GMT
More lies from meadows , where did I say he was a convicted murderer ?
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:49 PM GMT
Now you're trying to act the fool bigpop, no ones fooled by that
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:50 PM GMT
Read what I said , read it again   read it slowly
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:51 PM GMT
last time I was on this forum - one of the other bell-ends - Insider Trading or something? - asked, on a thread about donald Trump - If i would condemn Barack Obama for advocating the murder of white policemen.

when i questioned if this had ever happened, he happily accepted it hadn't.  It was entirely hypothetical and was what he deemed "interesting".


Diversions only work if the people you're diverting don't know what you're doing...
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:52 PM GMT
That's another diversion from bigpop right there
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:54 PM GMT
day 1, second lesson at Bell-end school (just after playtime):

Now class, if you find yourself drowning because the person you're losing to is using reason, and facts and all that, here's what you do...
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:55 PM GMT
I'm happy to go back to Toby Young?

Shall we do that?

Now these tweets about masturbating over pictures of refugees.  What was your view?
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 2:58 PM GMT
Well still no answer from bigpop, but question can be more beautiful more significant than their answers anyway
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 2:59 PM GMT
was it a Toby young question?
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 3:00 PM GMT
My view ? I have already answered that , I don't think he should have said it of course it's terrible !
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 3:01 PM GMT
and I answered your Q about McGuiness - not that I have to - but like I said, I'm with the Queen.
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 3:01 PM GMT
However we all say terrible things so in balance I doubt he is any worse than anyone else in the board
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 3:07 PM GMT
as I said it is more a question of the type of people who are adamant that Young should resign
Those are the people that are more dangerous , why ?
Well as we can see they are not entirely honest in their views of everyone , and who they condemn
Just my opinion
Report 1st time poster January 9, 2018 3:15 PM GMT
the reason I don't like the likes of young is although he,s tweeted over 40,000 obnoxious tweets . he still feels its his right to go tv and lecture other people on how they should behave, its the dame reason I don't like these vigilante,paedo catcher groups,although we no they don't like paedo,s they could be burglars,rapists,thugs, etc but they think they have some higher moral ground
Report enpassant January 9, 2018 3:22 PM GMT
The scumbag has resigned from a position he should never have been given. Those that put him in that position should also resign because they clearly did not look at the 'stain' closely enough.
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 3:24 PM GMT
yes, that happens a lot
Report moisok January 9, 2018 4:18 PM GMT
I think he is wonderful
Report anxious January 9, 2018 4:32 PM GMT
Who young ? really in what way is he wondeful exactly
Report moisok January 9, 2018 4:36 PM GMT
You shouldn't ask me private questions about who I love, anxious.
Report anxious January 9, 2018 4:44 PM GMT
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder i guess
Report moisok January 9, 2018 7:33 PM GMT
yes - keep yer nose out!!!!
Report moisok January 9, 2018 7:34 PM GMT
meanwhile I am off to watch another Manchester club fall to the mighty westerners
Report anxious January 9, 2018 11:03 PM GMT
Hard luck , good luck to bristol city in 2nd leg
Report moisok January 9, 2018 11:07 PM GMT
you don't think I was stupid enough to let my heart rule my head? 
when there is a substantial lean to one price on the favourite
I often go down the page on correct score in favour of said favourite

and quite a few other side bets
saved by a late goal  AGAIN  tonight!!!

there have been a lot of late ones and man city seem to do this a lot
Report anxious January 10, 2018 12:16 AM GMT
You sound like a finanacial  trader moisok you rascal , i think you might be more at home with Goldmans Sachs Crazy
Report anxious January 10, 2018 12:17 AM GMT
The globalists squad ho ho ho
Report moisok January 10, 2018 1:25 PM GMT
nah  I just pick the games and then fiddle around to try and make a profit

oh!!  I see what you mean  ho ho!!!

I can also show you how to loose large lumps of money

Oh!!!  I see what you mean ho ho

I must be one then   !!! or something

ps  just read they reckon city have done a goal in the last 10 mins  SIX  times

hmmmm!!
Report anxious January 10, 2018 6:34 PM GMT
performance enhancing
Report moisok January 10, 2018 6:48 PM GMT
There is nothing enhancing about my performance these days. I am getting rather old for that sort of high jinks. HO ho!!
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