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Report Foinavon January 3, 2018 6:06 PM GMT
According to whom? Washington Post Journalists?
The same Washington Post that Endorsed Hillary Clinton for President?
Who knows how many, all politicians lie, it goes with the territory.
Report moisok January 3, 2018 6:39 PM GMT
Trump features every day in the hate hour.   Strange how a novel can become reality.
Report bigpoppapump January 4, 2018 12:33 PM GMT
if someone said they were making improvements in the NHS, and provided data showing waiting lists for something specific had fallen (while at the same time waiting lists for lots of other things had risen) that would fall into the category covered by "all politicians lie".  normal business - making the facts fit your chosen presentation.

If you said you were a billionaire ten times over, and you weren't.  That would be a straight up lie.

If you had committed obstruction of justice, witness tampering and collusion with a foreign power to pervert a democratic election.  That would also fall outside the realms of normal political presentation 'lies'.

you guys - rightwingers - really need to be careful.  Your (otherwise acceptable political views) will be lost if you cannot separate yourself from supporting the indefensible.  If he's a criminal it will ruin your political view of specific issues.

This is more than the media making it's hysterical case day after day.  Mueller, and his investigation and the FBI and so forth are all Republicans.  This is an investigation into a real criminal (and proven liar) and the internet defence that it's liberals and fake news and the media and the democrats is not going to save your boy.

Bannon is calling their meetings from July 2016 "treason".  Bannon.
Report jed.davison January 4, 2018 12:39 PM GMT
Is it possible for us to like Trump just because he annoys the Left so much? I don't care if he's a criminal and the world should outright rejoice that he saved it from Hillary Clinton, however he did so.
Report anxious January 4, 2018 12:44 PM GMT
Even Trumps so called friends despise him
Report jed.davison January 4, 2018 12:49 PM GMT
You don't know the first thing about it anxious, Trump enjoys highly favourable poll standings among actual Americans, however much he is despised by the International Socialist Brigade.
Report anxious January 4, 2018 12:51 PM GMT
I know very much that he is not ahead in the polls at all , by actual Americans are you referring to The tea - party clowns  and subscribers of Brietbart
Report bigpoppapump January 4, 2018 12:56 PM GMT
Is it possible for us to like Trump just because he annoys the Left so much? I don't care if he's a criminal and the world should outright rejoice that he saved it from Hillary Clinton, however he did so.

Yes, of course it is.

Clearly - not caring if the holder of the most powerful political position in the world is a criminal is your right.  It puts you into a strange category as an individual - you're openly admitting to a childish position on something very serious and important which could harm your own peace and prosperity - but you're perfectly entitled not to mind.
Report bigpoppapump January 4, 2018 1:01 PM GMT
however much he is despised by the International Socialist Brigade.

here's your error and it's an error of omission.  you're forgetting who else despises what he represents.  normal conservatives find it absurd that he's where he is.

Michael Gove - post election December 2016 - said it would have better for the world if Hilary had won!!  Gove!

Laugh
Report jed.davison January 4, 2018 1:10 PM GMT
I'm not forgetting who else despises him. But again, what do I care? I despise Arsenal, I don't despise them any less because Chelsea fans also despise them.

And frankly, what do I care what Michael Gove thinks?
Report bigpoppapump January 4, 2018 1:22 PM GMT
you've already revealed that you are not serious.  footballing analogies not necessary.

I'm not saying you ought to take this seriously, but the reason other people do are for some of the obvious reasons:

you don't put criminals in charge of the nuclear arsenal. 
you don't entrust the good government of millions of people to criminals.

anyone who has to make decisions in business (for example) tends not to entrust leadership roles to dishonest or untrustworthy people (basic stuff this).  but hey, you're just kicking the sh1t on the betfair forum - so am I - so it doesn't matter.  so long as it annoys the lefties, eh feller?
Report jed.davison January 4, 2018 1:28 PM GMT
Trump was elected fairly, according to American law. And the people electing him knew he would be in charge of a nuclear arsenal, and were prepared to entrust the good government of the USA to him rather than HRC.

All your whining will make no difference whatsoever, I should imagine you do have better uses for your time than railing pointlessly against it on the betfair forum. But perhaps you don't, eh feller?
Report bigpoppapump January 4, 2018 1:36 PM GMT
I'm not whining.

my first post on this thread was to make the point that a right wing view on (say) immigration could get lost if you made the mistake of blindly following a man on his way down a criminal hole.  Some people who voted for him no longer support him, if his approval ratings are anything to go by. 

That's all I'm saying - politics is not about blindly supporting people (even if you voted for them in good faith) if they subsequently turn out to be a criminal.

you appear to be saying you treat all this as entertainment.  I'm not saying that's not your right - I just find it a strange thing to admit to and have suggested reasons why other people think it's important (the character of their leaders).

If you thought Trump was of good character you would have said so.  But you actually said you agree he's not (or you don't care) and are enjoying the spectacle of other people finding his leadership a worrying thing.

you're now trying to backtrack, presumably you're embarrassed by some of your posts.
Report bigpoppapump January 4, 2018 1:38 PM GMT
Trump was elected fairly, according to American law.

the Mueller investigation will establish if this is true.  If he colluded with a foreign power to get elected, then you're wrong.
Report jed.davison January 4, 2018 1:41 PM GMT
I'm not trying to backtrack, nor am I embarrassed. I like Trump precisely because his ascent to power, and his continuing power, vexes the Left so much - I don't care in the slightest if that bothers you or not, your opinion could not be any more irrelevant to me.

As for Trump's character, so what? How can he possibly turn out to be any worse a President than Obama?
Report bigpoppapump January 4, 2018 1:42 PM GMT
Trump actually believes he won the popular vote FWIW.  The fact is he didn't.  His propensity to believe patently incorrect 'facts' is why many people worry he's unfit.  The implications for how he would shape a policy (if he has no grounding in reality) goes beyond left/right labeling - people of all political views are disturbed by these implications.
Report bigpoppapump January 4, 2018 1:44 PM GMT
yes, you're repeating yourself again.  you've already made your point that character in a leader doesn't matter to you.  I've patiently suggested a couple of reasons why it matters to other people.

you've had what you're having of my time.
Report jed.davison January 4, 2018 1:45 PM GMT
How amusing to wind up supercilious, bumptious morons. I should try and make more time for this forum.
Report bigpoppapump January 4, 2018 1:49 PM GMT
you've embarrassed yourself and by openly admitting that serious things - like the character of a leader - is a joke to you - your views on other things will have little impact.  That you're now name calling says it all.

I look forward to your future contributions to debates.
Report jed.davison January 4, 2018 1:57 PM GMT
I don't give a single solitary **** what you think mate. But you carry on telling me how much weight my views will carry if it makes you feel better.
Report moisok January 4, 2018 3:21 PM GMT
basically they have never got over trump getting elected - it is hilarious

just like all the other surprises they didn't expect (brexit for one and corbyn another)  and they still whinge on about it
Report jed.davison January 4, 2018 3:29 PM GMT
They are going to be even more annoyed when he is re-elected by a landslide. How dare the American people disregard the wishes of International Socialism?
Report Foinavon January 4, 2018 6:31 PM GMT
Those left of centre on this forum are pretty consistent in turning a blind eye to the wide political spectrum and calling those they disagree with right wing when not using a more controversial label.
In the USA a person's guilt or otherwise of any crime is determined by the courts. In the absence of such, I prefer to keep an open mind.
Report bigpoppapump January 5, 2018 11:21 AM GMT
Mike Flynn plead guilty in Federal court.  Assume all us open minded chaps are happy to accept he's a criminal?
Report edy January 5, 2018 11:41 AM GMT

Jan 4, 2018 -- 12:31PM, Foinavon wrote:


Those left of centre on this forum are pretty consistent in turning a blind eye to the wide political spectrum and calling those they disagree with right wing when not using a more controversial label.In the USA a person's guilt or otherwise of any crime is determined by the courts. In the absence of such, I prefer to keep an open mind.


That is absolutely true. However, are you sure you're not turning a blind eye to the wide political spectrum if you just ommmit the many people, especially on here, that refer to everyone they disagree with as leftists, leftards, libtards, leftgreen fascists etc?

Report edy January 5, 2018 11:43 AM GMT
and, in my libtard snowflake view, many of them look like they've not quite updated their calibration of where the middle of society is these days to gauge where left and right should begin.
Report anxious January 5, 2018 12:07 PM GMT
Some of the Spiv fans on here would have Chairman May as a leftist or whatever nonsense they use
Report Foinavon January 5, 2018 1:03 PM GMT
A fair point edy and I am even-handed on this although I was reacting to a post responding to a comment of mine.

Anxious,I have said previously that I believe May to be to the left of Tony Blair and I still think that. Blair continued with the economic policies of the previous Major government for several years. In one notable budget, Brown doubled the lowest 10% rate of tax and was criticised by some of his own back-benchers. May's government has raised the threshold for paying any tax at all.
Report fife January 5, 2018 2:44 PM GMT
It would appear half the conservative party would be classed as lefties by some of the right wingers on here.
Report bigpoppapump January 5, 2018 2:47 PM GMT
In the USA a person's guilt or otherwise of any crime is determined by the courts. In the absence of such, I prefer to keep an open mind.

do you accept Mike Flynn plead guilty in Federal court and is therefore a criminal?
Report lfc1971 January 5, 2018 3:09 PM GMT
A president can pardon someone guilty , the important thing is that he pardons patriots and not murderers as Obama has done
Report lfc1971 January 5, 2018 3:10 PM GMT
He should pardon Flynn
Report lfc1971 January 5, 2018 3:12 PM GMT
Now in our own United Kingdom we have pardoned murderers and put them into government
So pipe down about Trump
Report bigpoppapump January 5, 2018 3:18 PM GMT
if he issues pardons or not doesn't matter (to the question of whether criminality has occurred).

just as a guilty plea (by the National Security Advisor) is a step past the idea being claimed by posts talking about absence of criminality.

Criminality is accepted. People are pleading guilty and cooperating with the investigation. A case is being built.

These are matters of fact.  Sticking your fingers in your ears and chanting la-la-la-la doesn't change it.
Report lfc1971 January 5, 2018 3:20 PM GMT
: ) oh that's ok then
Report moisok January 5, 2018 4:35 PM GMT
or put them on the street to carry onDevil
Report InsiderTrader January 5, 2018 5:59 PM GMT
bigpoppapump
04 Jan 18 12:33
Joined: 16 Dec 02
| Topic/replies: 4,679 | Blogger: bigpoppapump's blog
if someone said they were making improvements in the NHS, and provided data showing waiting lists for something specific had fallen (while at the same time waiting lists for lots of other things had risen) that would fall into the category covered by "all politicians lie".  normal business - making the facts fit your chosen presentation.

If you said you were a billionaire ten times over, and you weren't.  That would be a straight up lie.

If you had committed obstruction of justice, witness tampering and collusion with a foreign power to pervert a democratic election.  That would also fall outside the realms of normal political presentation 'lies'.

you guys - rightwingers - really need to be careful.  Your (otherwise acceptable political views) will be lost if you cannot separate yourself from supporting the indefensible.  If he's a criminal it will ruin your political view of specific issues.

This is more than the media making it's hysterical case day after day.  Mueller, and his investigation and the FBI and so forth are all Republicans.  This is an investigation into a real criminal (and proven liar) and the internet defence that it's liberals and fake news and the media and the democrats is not going to save your boy.

Bannon is calling their meetings from July 2016 "treason".  Bannon.





^
One of the strangest posts on here for a long time.

Suddenly anti-Trumpers are saying Bannon is correct?

This is after months of saying Trump should not listen to people like Bannon.

Make up your minds.
Report bigpoppapump January 8, 2018 12:42 PM GMT
no the idea that "who somebody is" would make any and everything they say incorrect would be your logic.

Reasonable people would agree/disagree with other people on the basis of what's been said.

Besides which, I'm not saying Bannon is correct or incorrect when he says the Trump tower meetings with the Russians were treasonous.  I'm simply pointing out that he said it.

Hope this helps.
Report moisok January 8, 2018 3:10 PM GMT
it is funny when something bites back

as they say about going around and around etc
Report moisok January 8, 2018 3:11 PM GMT
and all very funny when it doesn't fit the narrative

they might have to find a few more stories

anyone see the so called comedian on sky this morning complaining how hard it is to find new jokes about trump

I KID YOU NOT!!!
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 9:07 AM GMT
so Bannon and Trump are calling each other names in public.  That this is noteworthy is not somehow contradictory.

for the removal of doubt - my personal view is that they are both bell-ends.  And not entirely relevant but I'll mentioned that I think anyone who doesn't think they are bell-ends is probably also a bell-end.

One has made a lot of money running a media outlet and makes his money now fueling attacks on the media (although this contradiction doesn't seem to have dawned on the everything-else-except-what-I-say-is-fake-news intelligentsia).

The other inherited a lot of money and has gone on to lose a lot of money running various failed businesses.  He's currently in debt to Deutsche Bank for hundreds of millions of dollars.  He also has severe legal problems and is under Federal investigation.

That almost half the electorate in the US voted for Trump is remarkable and not in a good way.
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 10:41 AM GMT
Churchill spent £ 40,000 a year in casinos and £50,000 a year on booze and went bankrupt
Blair and Brown bankrupted the country
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 10:42 AM GMT
Now who were the mugs that voted for Blair and Brown ?
Report anxious January 9, 2018 10:59 AM GMT
Winnie was on the sherbert 24-7 wasnt he
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 11:07 AM GMT
I think Hitler was tea total , well it just goes to show
Report bigpoppapump January 9, 2018 11:07 AM GMT
Crippen is on record on here as a Blair voter.
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 11:11 AM GMT
Churchill : " I drink and smoke and I am 200% fit "
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 11:16 AM GMT
Churchill : my rule of life and an absolutely sacred rite is smoking cigars and drinking alcohol ..
He said this to the king of Saudi Arabia , that told the stupid k@nt
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 11:18 AM GMT
Was the Sadi king offended ? if he was he was too stupid to be king of anything
Report anxious January 9, 2018 11:18 AM GMT
If he was that fit where was he at Al Alamein ?
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 11:22 AM GMT
He was there thank god
Report lfc1971 January 9, 2018 11:28 AM GMT
It's ok to vote for Blair , just don't do it again
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