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Room 0182
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Gina "this is not about overturning the referendum, oh no, most definitely not" Miller has, after all, graciously decided to "put her trust in the public" to have another referendum.

It was all about parliamentary sovereignty, you see.

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Report InsiderTrader December 17, 2017 4:36 PM GMT
Only an idiot did not know that is what she wanted all along.
Report unitedbiscuits December 17, 2017 4:37 PM GMT
Attagirl. Gina resisted the temptation to plant seeds before the proper season but it is great to think that she, and many others, are committing to the logic of the Informed Referendum. Don't be frightened, embrace the groundswell towards the second referendum.
Report InsiderTrader December 17, 2017 4:43 PM GMT
It would be interesting if someone not born in the UK actually got the will of 17.4m other UK citizens overturned.
Report unitedbiscuits December 17, 2017 4:48 PM GMT
Gina Miller is a champion of democracy, first and foremost.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-second-referendum-latest-poll-remain-ten-points-leave-bmg-a8114406.html


In the words of Nigel Farage, 52/48% = "Unfinished business."
Report MartinK December 17, 2017 5:01 PM GMT
It would be interesting if someone not born in the UK actually got the will of 17.4m other UK citizens overturned.

If it's still the will of 17.4m UK citizens, then there nothing to worry about is there, and nothing will be overturned ... alternatively .......
Report unitedbiscuits December 17, 2017 5:06 PM GMT


Martin - 17.4 million represents 28% of the population. Demographics will take care of the next referendum. A good proportion seem to have lost their own teeth already. We must not saddle the younger generation with our burden.
Report InsiderTrader December 17, 2017 5:08 PM GMT
MartinK,

Under that what is the point of having a referendum?

Say we voted to reject the deal what happens? We leave with no deal.
Report InsiderTrader December 17, 2017 5:12 PM GMT
UB,

That BMG Poll you refer to is a terrible piece of 'science'.

If you actually go into the spreadsheet of the numbers you will see that those sampled who actually voted in 2016 have a majority voting to leave still.

They have found 299 (23% of the sample) who did not vote last time and chucked them into the sample claiming 67% want to remain compared to 17% wanting to leave.

It is a classic piece of fake news like the election polls.
Report unitedbiscuits December 17, 2017 5:16 PM GMT
Maybe, IT.
We are nowhere near the point where the country is receptive to the Second Referendum; the boulder is just beginning to shift..
Report moisok December 17, 2017 5:28 PM GMT
nothing has shifted

eu poll conducted by eu backing media outlet

the billion euro funded propaganda machine rolls on

it is all about smashing up brexit
Report moisok December 17, 2017 5:29 PM GMT
too many foreigners have interferred and even more now
Report moisok December 17, 2017 5:29 PM GMT
too many foreigners have interferred and even more now
Report moisok December 17, 2017 5:30 PM GMT
and they have the nerve to moan about the russians  ho ho
Report MartinK December 17, 2017 5:53 PM GMT
Under that what is the point of having a referendum?

Say we voted to reject the deal what happens? We leave with no deal.


For something this important you need a majority which will not disappear once the real problems involved in leaving become apparent i.e. it needs to be  a substantive and informed majority.

What we had a wafer thin majority which was primarily based on the wishes of the 65+ age group, most of who in 20 years time won't be about to enjoy the dubious benefits we were promised.

To be quite honest the younger generation are well within their rights to tell the older generation to Feck off since it's they who will have to live with the consequences of the decision.
Report unitedbiscuits December 17, 2017 5:58 PM GMT
I think the Brexit supporters photo says it all, Martin.Laugh
Report InsiderTrader December 17, 2017 6:24 PM GMT
MartinK,

In 20 years there will be even more voters aged 55+.

There are more now that during the Brexit vote.

And guess what the new poll showed?

The 55+ age group are even more in favour of Brexit than in June 2016.

You are failing to realise that as people get older and wiser they are more likely to want Brexit and more likely to vote conservative.

People may vote communist and for the EU when they are naive students. But once people get older, having families and other responsibilities they become more realistic and less believing in the establishment.
Report unitedbiscuits December 17, 2017 6:25 PM GMT
Old farts.
Report InsiderTrader December 17, 2017 6:32 PM GMT
When people are young they are naive. Once they get older they have seen it all before.

The EU will never be reformed. They want their army, their financial policy integration, their one President etc. They dont care about unemployment, voters rights, the will of the people.

Older people have seen this happen and they dont like it.

People who have lived through the communist threat and the 1970s socialist times know communist promises are never kept.
Report edy December 17, 2017 7:57 PM GMT
InsiderTrader • December 17, 2017 5:12 PM GMT
UB,

That BMG Poll you refer to is a terrible piece of 'science'.

If you actually go into the spreadsheet of the numbers you will see that those sampled who actually voted in 2016 have a majority voting to leave still.

They have found 299 (23% of the sample) who did not vote last time and chucked them into the sample claiming 67% want to remain compared to 17% wanting to leave.

It is a classic piece of fake news like the election polls.
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Surely we need to include people that didn't vote if we are to create a true image of the will of the people[/b]
Report edy December 17, 2017 8:19 PM GMT
Is the EU a communist regime btw or a big ol' bankster big business neoliberal globalist paradise?
Report lfc1971 December 18, 2017 12:40 AM GMT
She's not British , that's all you need to know
Report lfc1971 December 18, 2017 12:48 AM GMT
The brexiteers will not allow the republicans a second referendum , its good to torment them
They deserve it
Report InsiderTrader December 18, 2017 9:08 AM GMT
edy
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Is the EU a communist regime btw or a big ol' bankster big business neoliberal globalist paradise?



It amounts to the same thing. Central control is good for bankers and multinationals.

The elite may be unelected EU bureaucrats, communist leaders, fascist leaders or MPs ignoring the will of their constituents.

Who funded the 2nd Russian Revolution? Who benefits from wars and cheap mineral extraction?
Report edy December 18, 2017 10:00 AM GMT
I see. As someone whose family and who himself has spent a very decent portion living in the GDR, let me tell you the following:

bollocks
Report edy December 18, 2017 10:04 AM GMT
What about my question preceding the one you answered btw?
Report PorcupineorPineapple December 18, 2017 10:16 AM GMT
Remember folks. People aren't allowed to change their minds on this. No matter how much new information comes out. No matter if the talks are progressing brilliantly or terribly, your views will forever remain those at the time of the referendum. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CHANGE THEM. EVER. Unless, you voted Remain originally in which case Welcome Aboard.
Report edy December 18, 2017 10:22 AM GMT
That's true, PP. Continued discourse is poison for every democracy. "Get over it and shut up forever and ever after. You lost, suckers" is the true way to go in a democracy.
Report InsiderTrader December 18, 2017 11:29 AM GMT
edy
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That's true, PP. Continued discourse is poison for every democracy. "Get over it and shut up forever and ever after. You lost, suckers" is the true way to go in a democracy.


...

Is that really what you believe? Just let the elites make all the decisions without ever questioning them?
Report edy December 18, 2017 11:44 AM GMT
It might have been an attempt of mocking what some self-declared heroes of democracy tend to voice regarding Brexit and votes in general.
Report Room 0182 December 18, 2017 11:56 AM GMT
I think what really grates about this loathsome Miller creature, is the lack of honesty. At least the remoaners on here are quite open about their hatred and contempt
for the lower classes who dared to vote leave (racists, bigots, thick, gullible etc. - UB even implies mental impairment) and their utter disdain for democracy.

Miller, on the other hand, wasn't brave enough to admit she detests the lumpenproles, so hid behind 'parliamentary sovereignty' until she broke cover at the weekend.
Report InsiderTrader December 18, 2017 12:03 PM GMT
This is the thing.

73% of MPs voted to remain in the EU and continue to cede powers to Brussels.

But only 39% of consistencies voted to remain in the EU.

This is the key issue.

If the 73% remainer MPs vote on this issue can we trust them to carry out the will of the voters when they completely disagree with the voters?

The MPs live in the London and meet with Londoners and powerbrokers who fund them. They are not representing their voters.

Take Anna Soubry for instance. She stood at the GE saying she signed up to leaving the EU, Customs Union and Single Market.

55% of voters in her consistency voted to leave.

Yet she is doing everything in her power to go against her election promises and against the will of the people who voted for her.

That is not democracy. It is the case of London centric MPs thinking they know best for the little people.
Report lfc1971 December 18, 2017 12:10 PM GMT
haha listen  to the remainers pretending they care about democracy
no one believes that, they are too dishonest .
Report moisok December 18, 2017 12:14 PM GMT
the billion euro funded propaganda department grinds on
Report moisok December 18, 2017 12:15 PM GMT
your big problem is getting ANY platform to voice anything against the eu

it is like big brother all over again
Report lfc1971 December 18, 2017 12:15 PM GMT
let me explain how democracy works , since the referendum the brexiteers are sovereign .
Report drive for show putt for dough December 18, 2017 10:41 PM GMT
Was interesting to see outside the metropolitan bubble the take on brexit in Barnsley last week on question time.

This fella i suspect sums up the feelings of many people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhybVnqxI1Q
Report 1st time poster December 19, 2017 12:16 PM GMT
the world of chukka and co driving down another cul de sac regards workers rights,48 working week directive etc,ive spent half my life in works offices arguing about 48 week theres a million ways for firms to get round it opting out,its over a rolling time period so you can work 84 hrs a week for a few months and bring the average down over a certain period of time,do those living in cloud chukka land think 3 million unskilled manual labour from the EU are coming here to work a 37 hr on minimum wage,outside the major companies anyone refusing to work more than 48 hrs will be quietly shown the door,name in the black book etc,they should just return to the old rules of overtime been legaly voluntarily ,and enforce it
Report tanglefoot December 20, 2017 7:56 PM GMT
Straightjacket and ambulance required down biscuit way
Report lfc1971 December 20, 2017 8:02 PM GMT
It is naturally quite nice, quite lovely , to know that there can never be another referendum
Report dom888 December 20, 2017 8:03 PM GMT
United you have forgotten bigot ;-)
Report lfc1971 December 20, 2017 8:07 PM GMT
The British people don't need lectures from foreigners , that would be ridiculous
Report lfc1971 December 20, 2017 8:09 PM GMT
Is it possible to be more helpless than a remainer ?
not very easily .
Report unitedbiscuits December 20, 2017 8:17 PM GMT
Leave posters are like seconds telling their boxer not to have a rematch because they got lucky once. Imagine how such a course would have shamed Joe Frazier.
Report Burt06 December 20, 2017 8:20 PM GMT
I think it's fair to say that since the referendum we have clearly seen what kind of people these remainiacs are. Smug, thick, bitter, twisted, undemocratic, ageist, illiberal, intolerant,weakling crybaby bigots that have little more than name calling in their respective lockers.

They have had the run of the show for many decades and now it's our turn. They will reverse Brexit via a civil war and no other means. And if the wimps fancy that - then bring it on.
Report unitedbiscuits December 20, 2017 8:23 PM GMT
Keyboard warriorLaugh Have you made it up with lfc yet, Burt?
Report lfc1971 December 20, 2017 8:27 PM GMT
and bitter also , such a terrible thing . Their tear stains make me want to laugh
Report Burt06 December 20, 2017 8:27 PM GMT
I realise you're a bit mental but I haven't had any recent exchange with who you mention and barely much in the past. Anyway, just remember what I have told you, civil war is the only way you will get your way now. A second referendum is for the birds.
Report lfc1971 December 20, 2017 8:28 PM GMT
Their will be no second referendum biscuits , because you don't deserve one
Report Burt06 December 20, 2017 8:44 PM GMT
Oh right, lfc said the above. Well, everyone has an opinion. Whatever. Not sure why you find it so funny, but there you go.

I find the funnier following. Not his words and not my words - but yours.Grin

unitedbiscuits 19 Jun 16 12:08 
Agree wholeheartedly with Nigel Farage, there must be no second referendum, even if one there is only one vote in it. Even though Boris Johnson hopes a leave mandate could be used to blackmail the EU for better terms, the EU have already ruled that out completely.  Every vote counts and everyone should vote. Happily, the weather forecast for Thursday is good, which should encourage a high turnout.
Report lfc1971 December 20, 2017 8:45 PM GMT
That's disgraceful biscuits, i might have been drunk when I posted that
Why do people indulge in alcohol
Report dom888 December 20, 2017 8:45 PM GMT
He should call himself burt18
Report Burt06 December 20, 2017 8:46 PM GMT
You agreed wholeheartedly with Nigel Farage right up to the point where you lost and then you changed your mind. Well tough shiit, suckers coz you aint getting another ref. So suck it up.




LEAVING THE BUILDINGCool
Report unitedbiscuits December 20, 2017 8:50 PM GMT
Lfc v Burt: This is germane to Gina's argument, positions evolve. Like our position on the Informed Referendum.
I'm going to quote one greater than any of us:
A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
Report unitedbiscuits December 20, 2017 8:56 PM GMT
That's disgraceful biscuits, i might have been drunk when I posted that
Why do people indulge in alcoho


In vino veritas.
Indeed, I would second all you say, sober or otherwise.
Plus, Burt deservesit for trolling up old threads (your comment was on one of the old threads he dredged up: hoist by his own petard)Laugh
Report Burt06 December 20, 2017 8:57 PM GMT
Rhetorical nonsense was a trait of Ali and that's a fact. He was often accused of been a bit racist too, especially in that interview with Parkinson.


Fascinating that you would choose to quote him. But then again, you are in such a desperate state you will side with or quote anyone if you think it will help your doomed quest - even the likes of Tony 'Iraq' Bliar. (You must feel dirty been on the same side as him).
Report Burt06 December 20, 2017 9:00 PM GMT
Burt deservesit for trolling up old threads (your comment was on one of the old threads he dredged up: hoist by his own petard)

You really are so stupid. The expression refers to been caught out by my own words, yet they are the words of lfc that you rather puzzlingly rejoice in. Ergo, no hoisting has taken place.

Now if you want to see a clear example of a fool been hoist by his own petard then take a look at the following:

unitedbiscuits 19 Jun 16 12:08
Agree wholeheartedly with Nigel Farage, there must be no second referendum, even if one there is only one vote in it. Even though Boris Johnson hopes a leave mandate could be used to blackmail the EU for better terms, the EU have already ruled that out completely.  Every vote counts and everyone should vote. Happily, the weather forecast for Thursday is good, which should encourage a high turnout.


What do you think about that.LaughLaughLaughLaughGrinCool
Report unitedbiscuits December 20, 2017 9:06 PM GMT
Are you going to verse me in Shakespeare now? I don't think so. Lets leave Burt on the canvas, with lfc waving a white towel over him.
Report Burt06 December 20, 2017 9:10 PM GMT
You are so punch drunk you don't even realise you're on the canvas. But don't worry come 29 March 2019 we will carry you from the arena on a stretcher take you carefully to the side of the river and then throw you away with the rest of the trash.
Report lfc1971 December 20, 2017 9:19 PM GMT
Well biscuits has had his first defeat with the referendum, and he will have his second dissapointment when there is no 2nd referendum
I'm convinced he would have 20 dissapointments one after the other
Life is like that for certain people
Report unitedbiscuits December 20, 2017 9:23 PM GMT
Get a room, you two. Laugh
Report lfc1971 December 20, 2017 9:24 PM GMT
: ) goodnight
Report Foinavon December 20, 2017 10:02 PM GMT
A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.

If you are arguing for a second referendum in 2046 then I'm with you. Put it in your diary.
Report moisok December 20, 2017 11:00 PM GMT
he never said that did he
unitedbiscuits 19 Jun 16 12:08
Agree wholeheartedly with Nigel Farage, there must be no second referendum, even if one there is only one vote in it. Even though Boris Johnson hopes a leave mandate could be used to blackmail the EU for better terms, the EU have already ruled that out completely.  Every vote counts and everyone should vote. Happily, the weather forecast for Thursday is good, which should encourage a high turnout.

I do know he wished doom on leavers and we would rue the day etc but he was all right -rather nasty comment

but hey ho  lets talk down UK PLC   - why do some of them hate the UK so much or is there something else..........  like a connection to someone or something else that may affect them.
Report TheBetterBettor December 21, 2017 8:47 PM GMT

InsiderTrader
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MartinK,

Under that what is the point of having a referendum?

Say we voted to reject the deal what happens? We leave with no deal



The hardline brexiteers' ideal scenario.
Report moisok December 21, 2017 9:06 PM GMT
It is not just the number of foreigners that have flooded into this country but the number of foreigners who have flooded into this country with their anti brexit interferring rhetoric  - they have no interest in promoting uk plc.
Report Dr Crippen December 21, 2017 9:59 PM GMT
The hardline brexiteers' ideal scenario.

I can't think where you got that from.

All Brexiteers share the same ideal scenario, which is to leave with all trading advantages intact, and self government in all instances restored.

Why would they want anything less than the best of all worlds for the UK out of the EU?
Report moisok December 21, 2017 10:05 PM GMT
I don't want foreigners taken local jobs  I don't like foreigners from little countries controlling us from tight little organisations in europe that have nothing in common with us and do not share our ideals etc

hope this helps#

#even though we are selling chunks of our gaff to the chinese etc
Report moisok December 21, 2017 10:05 PM GMT
taking local jobs
Report TheBetterBettor December 21, 2017 11:50 PM GMT
Dr.C

Tell that to Farage....

He says leaving to wto rules we will end up being better off, and not liable to pay any of the 30-40bn divorce bill
Report Dr Crippen December 22, 2017 5:28 PM GMT
TBB, he might be right.
I was under the impression that we were going to pay a divorce bill in any event simply because of agreements made before Brexit.
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