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melv
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One EU source close to the talks said: “We have been approached by a number of [non-member] countries expressing concerns and making it clear that it would constitute a major problem for them if suddenly the UK were to get better terms than they get.”

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoops. If this proves really sticky the EU's hands could be tied.

This cold lead to a second referendum.

If there is a second referendum ....."Dear EU  somewhat tighter rules on immigration ( not an end to EU immigration) would be a great help to those of us who want to  overthrow Brexit. As is our democratic right."

I hope it does not come to this we are doing so well with a nice fudgey soft Brexit.
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Report lfc1971 December 10, 2017 9:51 AM GMT
We don't want better deals than anyone else , we want the same deals i.e.
stop freedom of movement like those other countries
That seems like a very good deal right there
Report lfc1971 December 10, 2017 9:52 AM GMT
There can be no bad deal by definition if we stop freedom of movement
Report InsiderTrader December 10, 2017 1:29 PM GMT
Of course the globalists dont want us to get a good deal.

They want corporate backed unelected bureaucrats to run everything in their favour.

The open borders and 'globalisation' of the last 20 years has destroyed the working classes in the west making the rich richer and the poor poorer.

Of course the socialist bureaucrats want the poor poorer and dependent on the state that they hope to control.
Report dave1357 December 10, 2017 2:51 PM GMT
When Insider Trader makes posts like that I have the image of the late Rick Mayall in The Young Ones.

He has no idea what this is about or what the problem is, so he spouts cliches.
Report bongo December 10, 2017 2:59 PM GMT
The country wants to keep freedom of movement - 48% plus Leadsom, Farage, Johnson, Hannan and many of the other Leavers who even once used 'Switzerland' in their arguments leading up to the Referendum.
Polls are pretty clear on what the immigration problem is, and it ain't EU nationals wanting to work.
Report akabula December 10, 2017 3:10 PM GMT
Global powers? Don't think he mentioned them.
See dave the troll unable to help himself. Sad
Report frog2 December 10, 2017 3:10 PM GMT
dave1357 10 Dec 17 14:51 Joined: 05 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 6,473 | Blogger: dave1357's blog
When Insider Trader makes posts like that I have the image of the late Rick Mayall in The Young Ones.

He has no idea what this is about or what the problem is, so he spouts cliches.

...

So open borders and globalisation has helped narrow the gap between rich and poor in the west then David?
Report frog2 December 10, 2017 3:13 PM GMT
I think that issues need to be looked at.

Why would global powers not want the UK to get a good deal?

What is a good deal? Does May's party or the Labour Party even have a clue what type of deal they want?
Report dave1357 December 10, 2017 3:19 PM GMT
akabula 10 Dec 17 15:10 
Global powers? Don't think he mentioned them.
See dave the troll unable to help himself


Wat?

Have you posted in the right thread?
Report Dr Crippen December 10, 2017 3:22 PM GMT
Inside Trader makes a very good point about how we have allowed our manufacturing to be exported through globalisation.

James Goldsmith predicted in 1994 what would happen here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PQrz8F0dBI

I don't expect the lefties will be able to take it all in though.
Report dave1357 December 10, 2017 3:28 PM GMT
Whether or not it is a "good point" is completely moot.  His entire post is just an irrelevant rant in respect of the issue raised in the original post by melv.
Report Dr Crippen December 10, 2017 3:36 PM GMT
For the companies that stayed put, the EU is the source of their cheap labour.
The big corporations run the show that should be clear by now.

What is astonishing is how the labour movement has gone along with all that has passed without a whimper of opposition.
Which shows how easily the working classes can be fooled, and will come as no surprise to the regular right-wingers on here who see the limitations of the lefties exposed on a daily basis.
Report dave1357 December 10, 2017 3:38 PM GMT
more irrelevant ranting
Report dave1357 December 10, 2017 3:41 PM GMT
Anyone of you geniuses want to comment on the original post?
Report Dr Crippen December 10, 2017 3:44 PM GMT
See what I meant with my last sentence.
Report dave1357 December 10, 2017 4:15 PM GMT
So that's a no then.

Everything is fine in the brexiter world.  Easiest trade deal in history.  We won't pay them a penny if they don't do what we want.
Report InsiderTrader December 10, 2017 5:27 PM GMT
House of Lords have made it very clear if there is no deal we dont have to pay a penny.
Report akabula December 10, 2017 5:29 PM GMT
We haven't paid them anything yet dave.
All we have agreed to is the formula.
So if we don't get a decent deal we walk away and pay nothing.
How has that changed?
Report InsiderTrader December 10, 2017 7:34 PM GMT
Yep. We have them on the rack.

No mutually beneficial deal and they can forget getting any cash as we go to WTO rules.
Report dave1357 December 10, 2017 7:45 PM GMT
Are you unwell akabula?  Have you become overexited by sevco's three game winning run?

Where did I say we had paid them anything?

You still haven't explained your bizarre comment at 15.10.
Report moisok December 10, 2017 9:16 PM GMT
two books written so long ago

tells you quite a lot about big organisations controlling labour and politics

1984 and animal farm
Report akabula December 10, 2017 9:38 PM GMT
Why post that at 16.15?
The inference is that we Brexiters were talking nonsense.
Report PorcupineorPineapple December 11, 2017 8:52 AM GMT
This thread reads like a free association thread.

Opening post about a specific issue, and then lots of posts from the quitters about random issues, but not actually the topic itself while dave does his best Dimbleby impression in trying to keep to the question at hand.
Report 1st time poster December 11, 2017 10:42 AM GMT
you,d think the cabinet would have been told to keep stum till the eu ratified this deal this week,dublin will now surely want what they want set in stone before they give their go ahead this week or use their veto or the irish PM will be a laughing stock
Report 1st time poster December 11, 2017 10:45 AM GMT
pineapple theres that little traffic on here now any thread with traffic on it is open season to vent ones spleen, Laugh[:laugh:, that's why I was on l,pool supporters thread last night no traffic on matchday threads]
Report akabula December 13, 2017 6:33 PM GMT
PP praising dave who yet again has run away from the debate. Laugh
Report dave1357 December 13, 2017 7:10 PM GMT
Watch the emoji use akabula, Crippen doesn't like it.
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