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unitedbiscuits
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Anyone eligible should already have taken hold of their pension - what you can't get hold of you'll likely won't see.
You need to be as liquid as possible and get your money out of here. Good luck all.
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Report akabula November 27, 2018 10:47 PM GMT
UB please go and bore someone else.
Report moisok November 27, 2018 10:49 PM GMT
he brags and shows off on a footy topic and trips over first strike and tries to deny his incompetence - has he ever been right on anything
it is so funny  but the lies trip off his tongue one by one

but then he has learnt well from the eu faschists how to keep telling lies and scare people

a tactic the nazis used to get their way

oddly the same lot are at it again  the people he is in awe with  - the germans with their french poodle

amazing scenes
Report moisok November 27, 2018 10:49 PM GMT
fascists even
Report unitedbiscuits November 27, 2018 10:51 PM GMT
Laugh
You STILL don't get it.
Report moisok November 27, 2018 10:52 PM GMT
biscuit brain's dick taters preside over massive youth unemploymen and he supports this gross bloated system controlled by a few 'Kommisioners' in brussels hidden under a massive bureaucracy - something the nazis would be proud of.

this is what crackers supports
Report peckerdunne November 27, 2018 10:54 PM GMT
The empire is no more.
Report moisok November 27, 2018 10:56 PM GMT
no   it is going to stagger on for a good few years before it collapses,  with the euro, along with italy portugal greece and spain when the german population get tired of bailing them out

hope this helps
Report unitedbiscuits November 27, 2018 10:57 PM GMT
Dead as a dodo, peckerdunne. You are correct.
Report moisok November 27, 2018 10:59 PM GMT
or maybe you will support the jackboots marching into these states to enforce the empire's  rules

they failed in the ukraine but italy may be invaded financially at least

has this happened before in modern history ?

they want an army to do this you know  - all your dodgy friends want it to fight those who vote the wrong way

3 of the Kommisioners  have said so -
Report unitedbiscuits November 27, 2018 11:01 PM GMT
Well, my shift is over; another day, another k (Euros).
Mind you, schooling akabula can only be described as drudge work.Laugh
Hasta manana.
Report moisok November 27, 2018 11:01 PM GMT
yes they want the empire to get bigger and expand eastwards to create the new empire

you used the wrong words there pecker  - they are the words of your brussels kommisioners 

bit of a slip there I think
Report moisok November 27, 2018 11:02 PM GMT
well you certainly tipped the wrong horse there in the footy  - I wonder how many more of your tips have any substance if they are like that one

ho ho

conspiracy forsooth   - you are a very funny guy
Report moisok November 27, 2018 11:03 PM GMT
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unitedbiscuits    27 Nov 18 19:14 
Assuming CSKA Moscow win..
Roma have only to draw to qualify. It would leave Real out of the CL if they then lost r6 at home to CSKA c 10% chance
But if they let Real win - Roma are only vulnerable if they lose to Plzen AND Real lose at home to CSKA - no chance if they make a compact tonight.
LUMP ON
Report akabula November 27, 2018 11:04 PM GMT
UB let me reiterate what I told you when you first posted.
Small variations in the strength of the pound don't affect the average person in the street.
Only a sustained or dramatic fall causes a problem for him.
Since you posted where has the pound got to and how has this manifested itself on the economy?
Report peckerdunne November 27, 2018 11:23 PM GMT
I refer to the old empire.
Report akabula November 27, 2018 11:31 PM GMT
Ah the Empire that brought civilisation to wherever it went.
Report peckerdunne November 27, 2018 11:35 PM GMT
How many generations Akabula do your lovely family to back.
Report akabula November 27, 2018 11:37 PM GMT
I'd imagine the same number as everybody else.
Report peckerdunne November 27, 2018 11:39 PM GMT
Precisely
Report moisok November 27, 2018 11:54 PM GMT
pecker simply doesn't know where he is

there is a massive empire expanding and trying to control europe with fear and loathing

now with its leader telling everybody to submit while its underlings are using nazi style propaganda and fear

using words like 'creating an empire' (and don't try and tell me they are not saying this)

the next thing is to create an army to combat those who vote differently to what the 'empire' decrees
Report akabula November 28, 2018 12:14 AM GMT
Was a great question from pecker, not sure why though.Grin
Report unitedbiscuits November 28, 2018 8:16 AM GMT
Mo - 2.1 was the price for a Real win. I didn’t back them but the bet won. HTH.
I have tipped some losers and some winners over my forum timeline, none better than this advice
“Get all Your Money Out Of The UK”. Proved over 2 1/2 years.
As far as making people poorer, Phillip Hammond promising another 15 years of impoverishment as I type.
Brexit is the gift that keeps on  damaging, a byword for failure.
Report unitedbiscuits November 28, 2018 8:19 AM GMT
Every and any form of Brexit will the country poorer on a 15 year horizon - Treasury economic forecast published today.
Report InsiderTrader November 28, 2018 8:53 AM GMT
The Treasury will set out various scenarios - with the Daily Telegraph saying it will predict £150bn in lost output over 15 years under no deal, with Theresa May's plan costing £40bn.

According to the Daily Telegraph, the Treasury analysis will show that under Mrs May's deal, the UK's GDP will be between 1% and 2% lower over 15 years than if it stayed in the EU, compared with 7.5% lower under a no deal situation.

^

So it would cost £150bn over 15 years for a 'no deal'.

£10bn a year. They want £60bn for us to stay in for the transition and extended transition.

Currently we pay the EU around £10bn a year.

Also in 15 years at current rates we will have another 3,000,000 EU citizens at least moved here. That is a 5% increase in population of mainly unskilled workers whos mouths need feeding, kids need teaching, sick need healing, cars need roads and so on.

So they reckon it will be 7.5% lower growth with a 5% lower level of population and a saving of £150bn in fees to the EU.

Sounds a great deal for the UK to do a no deal Brexit.
Report moisok November 28, 2018 8:57 AM GMT
biscuit brain will continue to spout his eu propaganda freshly prepared by his masters in brussels

he cannot even predict a soccerball match  - a conspiracy forsooth  ho ho

how does he know anything at all

not much of a tipster not much of a finance expert either but happy to keep spewing out the eu fascist agenda
Report cyclops November 28, 2018 8:58 AM GMT
You clearly haven't read today's reports showing how completely unprepared we are for no deal.

You can keep dreaming but no deal is a far right fantasy almost as ridiculous as the concept of Brexit itself. It won't happen.
Report moisok November 28, 2018 9:01 AM GMT
I thought in was a financial situation one would find oneself in not anything to do with nazis and fantasies - sounds a bit like something from raiders of the lost ark  ho ho
Report InsiderTrader November 28, 2018 9:03 AM GMT
cyclops
28 Nov 18 08:58
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You clearly haven't read today's reports showing how completely unprepared we are for no deal.

You can keep dreaming but no deal is a far right fantasy almost as ridiculous as the concept of Brexit itself. It won't happen.

^

Almost 3 years to make all the preparations cyclops.

Think that D-day was prepared in well under that time.

Of course it is possible to make preparations over the course of 3 years.
Report moisok November 28, 2018 9:09 AM GMT
cyclops (being one of them) didn't think we would vote to leave

In fact the eu, our government, civil service, press, tv news and polls  absolutely KNEW we would not vote to leave. So why even bother to contmplate a leave situation.  Therefore no plans.

Even then there have been continual obstruction to anything resembling a plan because we are not going to leave anyway.  Herr merkel and her stormtroopers will not allow it.
Report politicspunter November 28, 2018 9:10 AM GMT
Polls showed it was a toss up.
Report cyclops November 28, 2018 9:28 AM GMT
D-day didn't have Chris Grayling in charge of our transport infrastructure.
D-day didn't have a recently resigned Brexit secretary not knowing we do rather a lot of business via Dover.
D-day didn't have a Northern Ireland secretary unaware there have been sectarian problems in her patch.
D-day didn't have a discredited GP in charge of securing trade deals
D-day didn't have a Prime Minister who spent two years keeping the Tory party together before finally turning to Brexit and being unable to state she believes we're better in than out

And D-day was part of a war. This is self-inflicted.
Report InsiderTrader November 28, 2018 9:32 AM GMT
3 years cyclops is more than enough time.

May has been in charge for that time so she is responsible for preparations at government level.

Then every business is responsible at their own level. For instance, Wetherspoons pubs are prepared.

No deal has always been an option.

No deal is better than a bad deal.
Report unitedbiscuits November 28, 2018 9:33 AM GMT
Indeed self-inflicted, cyclops. And, from newly published Treasury forecasts, it could be a head-shot.
Report cyclops November 28, 2018 9:34 AM GMT
We don't have 3 years to prepare for no deal. Where does that come from?
Report InsiderTrader November 28, 2018 9:35 AM GMT
UB read above.

The Treasury forecast show that per capita after we taken off cost of being in the EU we will be better off.
Report InsiderTrader November 28, 2018 9:38 AM GMT
cyclops
28 Nov 18 09:34
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We don't have 3 years to prepare for no deal. Where does that come from?

^

No you are right it is just under.

June 24th 2016 to March 29th 2019.

2 years 9 months.
Report cyclops November 28, 2018 9:42 AM GMT
But no real preparations have been made. So we don't have 3 years, we have 4 months.

If you really believe we've spent two and a half years preparing for no deal, I'm surprised.
Report flushgordon1 November 28, 2018 9:58 AM GMT
I waited 40 years for no deal ,4 months is no biggy.
Report cyclops November 28, 2018 10:10 AM GMT
Shame you won't be getting it
Report flushgordon1 November 28, 2018 10:15 AM GMT
Patience is a virtue.
Report SontaranStratagem November 28, 2018 10:17 AM GMT
What's the odds they drop the market 2% and then have the media go to town on how its armageddon? the pound sinks 2% as well

None of it is any big deal but they'll play it as something massive, the markets will then "rally" and go back to the previous weeks level where there will be zero mention of it in the media

They have no intentions of tanking anything, why would they when they live a life of luxury within the current system ?
Report unitedbiscuits November 28, 2018 2:21 PM GMT
The Treasury forecast show that per capita after we taken off cost of being in the EU we will be better off.

News to me, IT, but a bombshell if true.
Post a link to the claim from a credible source.
Report unitedbiscuits November 28, 2018 2:26 PM GMT
Key Points:

Treasury analysis finds the UK will be £150bn worse off under no-deal.

Analysis says GDP will be 7.6% lower under no-deal over 15 years than staying in EU, Chequers 1-2% lower, EEA 1.4%, FTA 4.9%.

That's not £150 billion shortfall gross up to 2033, it's £150b PER YEAR by then!
Report InsiderTrader November 28, 2018 2:28 PM GMT
The numbers I used for the costs were from the BBC.

Their article is here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46366162

How much poorer depends on which Brexit route the UK takes, but the most likely outcomes would mean a hit to the economy of £60bn and £100bn with a no-deal scenario costing nearly £200bn.
Report unitedbiscuits November 28, 2018 2:32 PM GMT
Please don't tell us it is Insider Trader's ****-packet calculation. His formulation contains at least three glaring errors.
Report InsiderTrader November 28, 2018 2:35 PM GMT
Population increase of 5% if the borders remain open...

Most of this calculation is based on getting more and more people putting up overall GDP.
Report moisok November 28, 2018 2:37 PM GMT
Treasury smessury

the same august institution (a heavily biased pro eu civil service) said this below  so how can we trust what they say and remember the emergency budget we would need if we voted the wrong way
Within two years of a Leave vote, the Treasury predicted that GDP would be between 3.6 and 6 percent lower and the number of people unemployed would rise by as much as 820,000. The predictions in the May 2016 “study” sounded dire, and were clearly aimed at having the maximum impact on the vote, which would be held a month later. Goebbels would be proud of these jokers.

Just weeks before the referendum, the then-chancellor George Osborne cited the report to warn that “a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy” and that “the shock would push our economy into recession and lead to an increase in unemployment of around 500,000.”
It's the lies and how they tell them - keep telling them and they sit in the people's psyche - very very nasty and despicable but also very manipulative.  It diverts attention away from the benefits of leaving whilst the tv news focuses solely on the scare stories.
It's like the old joke of when did you stop beating your ............. etc etc ....
Report Dotchinite November 28, 2018 2:38 PM GMT
Its so pathetic the way everyone counts GDP as a measure of how rich we are. Of course if another 5 million immigrants come in our GDP will grow but we could still all be massively worse off.
Report moisok November 28, 2018 2:40 PM GMT
Can I also point out that at almost no time have any of the institution outside of britain have produced correct preictions over the last three years and only predicted doom and gloom.  Similarly the civil service have spewed out doom and gloom with out any credible evidence
Report unitedbiscuits November 28, 2018 2:45 PM GMT
Your figures don't stand up, IT. You just cannot be trusted with facts.
In the first place the cost of "no deal" brexit is not £150billion by 2033, it is £150billion per year.
So setting aside 15 years of EU contributions against one year's damage just won't fly.
Secondly, the Treasury analysis would have included the EU contribution savings, unless you think they forgot to.
You're not very good at this Insider Trader.
Report moisok November 28, 2018 2:56 PM GMT
you do realise even the way they go about examining these figures and CREATING them is very suspect

do they even let us know exactly what they are using as they seem to be very secretive about it

as I understand it the economic model they use is extremely suspect

just chuck in the fact they have been wrong so many times along with the IMF and the rest of them.

look at the above 3.6  and 6 percent doom predicted which never happened AFTER  the vote  - charlatans the lot of them

unemployment up 800,000  - they are complete bar stewards and biscuit brain the self serving Brussels mouthpiece cheers them on quite falsely
THEY HAVE NO IDEA  they do not know!!  Just scare stories from people who want to keep it as it is and all their fat cat jobs within the eu gravy train
Report moisok November 28, 2018 2:57 PM GMT
keep telling the lies over and over again despicable - amazing scenes
Report unitedbiscuits November 28, 2018 2:58 PM GMT
Just correcting Insider Trader's schoolboy errors.
Report unitedbiscuits November 28, 2018 3:14 PM GMT
From today's report:

The treasury analysis estimates that the illustrative
scenario of zero net inflows of EEA workers could reduce GDP by around 1.8 per cent and GDP per
capita by around 0.6 per cent in the long run, compared to today's arrangements.
Report moisok November 28, 2018 4:13 PM GMT
bicuit brain continues to repeat the lies
Report moisok November 28, 2018 4:15 PM GMT
they hardly ever get anything right - same with all the outside scare stories from the IMF etc etc
Report unitedbiscuits November 28, 2018 4:18 PM GMT
Insider Trader seems to have deserted his position. Anyone want to try to rescue his figures?
Report 1st time poster November 28, 2018 4:47 PM GMT
checked at corner shop again, Abdul confirms no rush on pot noodle sales
Report InsiderTrader November 28, 2018 4:49 PM GMT
UB.

The figures suggest that in 15 years GDP might be less then now by 2-10%.

But we will have a much smaller population.

Most of the basis for their calculations is we will have less people. I kid you not.

If the low paid workers and their dependents keep coming at 300k a year net that will be 4.5m more people over 15 years.

That is around a 7% increase in population to get a 2-10% increase in GDP.
Report InsiderTrader November 28, 2018 4:50 PM GMT
And if the past is anything to go by it will be the rich globalist liberal elites that will pocket that 2-10% increase in GDP living the British working class even worse off.
Report unitedbiscuits November 28, 2018 5:00 PM GMT
Three fundamental mistakes marring Insider Trader's analysis:

1) He thought £150b was the total lost between now and 2033. Wrong. It is £150 billion PER YEAR by 2033. Cumulatively, over a trllion.
So IT's figures are already wrong by a multiple of sevenLaugh

2) IT assumes that treasury analysis has not counted the saved payments to EU in the event of "no deal." Which is silly.

3) The treasury analysis estimates that the illustrative scenario of zero net inflows of EEA workers could reduce GDP by around 1.8 per cent and GDP per capita by around 0.6 per cent in the long run, compared to today's arrangements.
Report InsiderTrader November 28, 2018 5:32 PM GMT
(1) and (2) or not relevant. (3) is the key point. Thank you for making it.

A 15 year forecast that results in a difference of 0.6% in GDP per capita!

Give me strength.
Report unitedbiscuits November 28, 2018 5:44 PM GMT
2) skews Insider Trader's calculation and 1) upends it entirely.
And 3) states that GDP per capita would also REDUCE without net inflow of EEA workers, which entirely destroys the basis of IT's analysis.
Report InsiderTrader November 28, 2018 6:23 PM GMT
As I said (1) and (2) are not relevant as (3) shows population increase (or lack of it) is the Treasury's concern.

The key is that yes increasing the population due to open borders to low skilled EU workers will increase GDP.

Their analysis suggests this might decrease GDP per capita 0.6% in 15 years time.

0.6% in 15 years is completely insignificant given they regularly get it wrong 2-3% for a one year forecast.

Do you not understand that a 7% increase in population should result in an increase in overall GDP?????????
Report unitedbiscuits November 28, 2018 6:33 PM GMT
As I said (1) and (2) are not relevant Sure, don't worry about it, you're only out by a trillion pounds.Laugh

Their analysis suggests this might decrease GDP per capita 0.6% in 15 years time. Which means that each of us is poorer (albeit by a relatively small%) for their absence. They're not saying that those of us left will be richer, which was your argument; they're saying we'll be poorer in any case with a little bit of extra impoverishment due to EEA workers' absence. The opposite of your supposition.
Report InsiderTrader November 28, 2018 6:43 PM GMT
0.6% difference in 15 years time!!!

That is the forecast you are worried about????

On £50,000 that would be £300 a year if the forecast is accurate. How can you possibly measure something so small so accurately? Taxes go up several percentage at a time and we are supposed to think 0.6% is an issue.
Report unitedbiscuits November 28, 2018 6:59 PM GMT
Your figures are out by a trillion and your principle (that what we would lose in GDP would be offset by it being shared among fewer people) is contradicted by a text that you wilfully or witlessly misunderstand, from a report you obviously haven't even looked at. They do not claim that GDP per capita would be affected very much either way by EEA workers presence or absence in 2030. You do, but your claim lacks evidence and, now, credibility.
Report InsiderTrader November 29, 2018 7:58 AM GMT
Typical UB.

Finds one thing and goes with even though he it blatantly irrelevant.

It does not mater if the a headline number is £1 or £100 it is the percentages that are important.

He thinks 0.6% in 15 years is statistically significant!

He wants millions more people in the UK taking our lower paid jobs, using our infrastructure and forcing down our wages.
Report unitedbiscuits November 29, 2018 9:09 AM GMT
Don't persist in trying to push your bullshit calculation, Insider Trader, you won't get a different result. It has no credibility.
Stick to the programme. Breibart is your friend. Don't try to make things up yourself, you're not good at it.
Report InsiderTrader November 29, 2018 9:43 AM GMT
Resorting to insults because you cannot explain why you are so worried about a prediction of 0.6% 15 years down the line.

0.6% in 15 years and you think it is accurate?
Report unitedbiscuits December 10, 2018 6:35 PM GMT
Every time the Church Of Brexit have the ascendancy, the world makes a value judgement.

USD now $1.26 (down 12% since ref)
EUR now 1.11 (down 15% since ref)

Leavers have f**ked the country up.
Report sageform December 10, 2018 7:37 PM GMT
No, they are selling UK plc because our parliament is deadlocked. If they had left on a free trade deal 2 years ago, the markets would have recovered by now.
Report unitedbiscuits December 10, 2018 7:43 PM GMT
It's a lot simpler than that, Sageform, every time a Leaver opens his mouth, £ falls.
Report Platini December 10, 2018 8:58 PM GMT
cherry picking your time period again, UB.?  Wink

The GBP has been in decline v the USD for at least 4 and half years now, (i.e since long before the referendum). Here's the chart :

https://ibb.co/xC48TMz

You can put a straight line right thru the chart and you'll see that the current exchange rate is exactly where it would have been anyway, Brexit or no Brexit.
Report unitedbiscuits December 10, 2018 9:05 PM GMT
The date of the OP is a logical place to start but I love to see Leavers try to justify a "Lets start counting from here," result.Laugh

Warned the forum of the implications on the night of the referendum. Was going to say "Thank me later," but it's 2 1/2 years and counting now; and a loser wouldn't know what to do with good advice.
Report politicspunter December 10, 2018 9:07 PM GMT
Thanks platini, very interesting.
Report InsiderTrader December 10, 2018 9:09 PM GMT
Uncertainty causes pound to fall and sales to the USA (our main exporter country) to increase.

Once Brexit is settled either way the pound will unfortunately strengthen again.
Report unitedbiscuits December 10, 2018 9:19 PM GMT
Laugh You can stand on a street corner and sell five pound notes for £4.30 all day. Laugh It will make you popular. Laugh And poor. Plain
Report politicspunter December 10, 2018 9:29 PM GMT
Doesn't really affect anything really if you are simply dealing in pounds and buying british.
Report SontaranStratagem December 10, 2018 9:32 PM GMT
A low pound is good

Which is why it wont be allowed to drop for very long
Report unitedbiscuits December 10, 2018 9:33 PM GMT
Incorrect, politcspunter. It affects everything, making you poorer relative to 99% of the world.
And today, even poorer.
Nice work, Leavers, thanks for sh++++ng on the blanket.
Report politicspunter December 10, 2018 9:33 PM GMT
Rubbish, it makes no difference at all.
Report politicspunter December 10, 2018 9:35 PM GMT
How can it make you poorer if you only deal in pounds and buy british?
Report unitedbiscuits December 10, 2018 9:36 PM GMT
A has ten coins
B has ten coins
B's coins are devalued
B is poorer than A

Which is all you need to know
Report politicspunter December 10, 2018 9:37 PM GMT
you are talking drivel as usual. It cannot affect anyone that only deals in pounds and british.
Report unitedbiscuits December 10, 2018 9:40 PM GMT
You cannot "0nly" deal in £,
Petrol, or Apple products, are priced in $
Even if you stay in bed all winter, in the spring you are still poorer when you login to Betfair or Amazon or, even if you don't, your contemporary in Europe now has a more valuable house, pension, salary and savings.
Report politicspunter December 10, 2018 9:41 PM GMT
You are comparing currencies, I am not.
Report unitedbiscuits December 10, 2018 9:43 PM GMT
You in the UK are now their poor relation. This is universal, but no longer just an abstract concept with millions of Brits with Irish, EU, USA connection discover the uncomfortable truth. (Don't imagine that you are immune if you are x4 inbred into your Brexit village, it still applies).
Report unitedbiscuits December 10, 2018 9:44 PM GMT
You are comparing currencies, I am not.

Laugh Clearly
Report politicspunter December 10, 2018 9:44 PM GMT
I am not any poorer . My house is the same value compared to anywhere in the UK. The pounds I have is the same compared to anyone in the UK.
Report unitedbiscuits December 10, 2018 9:48 PM GMT
That is correct but you are equalising your wealth against 1% of the population of the world, ignoring the 99% with whom you are poorer.
Report politicspunter December 10, 2018 9:49 PM GMT
All you needed to say was the first three words.
Report unitedbiscuits December 10, 2018 10:02 PM GMT
Therefore politcspunter, who only deals in £ and buys British, is relatively poorer than unitedbiscuits and anyone who followed the advice of the opening post..

Everybody happy?
Report politicspunter December 10, 2018 10:04 PM GMT
I am not poorer. What don't you get?
Report unitedbiscuits December 10, 2018 10:05 PM GMT
You're poorer than me, and anyone else who followed my advice.
Report politicspunter December 10, 2018 10:06 PM GMT
I have no interest in your finances, only my own.
Report unitedbiscuits December 10, 2018 10:10 PM GMT
Uh huh
Report Platini December 11, 2018 10:09 PM GMT
BTW, the Euro has been crushed by an even bigger margin v the USD oner the same period, before anyone tries to big up that basket case of a currency Laugh
Report sageform December 12, 2018 9:26 AM GMT
While Brazil's currency has depreciated against the pound recently. Their new government will almost certainly reverse that.
Report unitedbiscuits December 12, 2018 9:46 AM GMT
If the Euro is a basket case, what does that signify about Brexit? £ has declined 15% against EUR since 23/06/16.
Still, there's always Brazil..
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