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Report andyl November 1, 2018 10:10 PM GMT
have anyone watched the 3 kill jill videos? tells you all you need to know what the establishment are capable of.
Report AllinR1 November 1, 2018 10:16 PM GMT
I have andyl. Big respect to RDH for opening our eyes.
Report andyl November 1, 2018 10:16 PM GMT
so c'mon...what conclusions you drawn from those videos?
Report Charlton2005 November 1, 2018 10:21 PM GMT
yorkshire police

1. peter william sutcliffe
2. jimmy saville
3. stephen kiscko
4. rotherham abuse
5. miners strike
6. hillsborough

all investigated by people whose main qualification was that they are at least 6 foot tall.

in conclusion, trust no one.
Report Charlton2005 November 1, 2018 10:24 PM GMT
willie you got any strong views on the yorkshire ripper case. not a cover up just a level of incompetence that cost many lives
Report andyl November 1, 2018 10:25 PM GMT
im fairly certain nothing untoward charlie,in those days there was no cctv,dna etc,detection has improved 20 fold.
Report Charlton2005 November 1, 2018 10:30 PM GMT
no, nothing untoward and i get there were no computers but they interviewed the guy 11 times and had about 20 photofits identifying him. my issue is why detection rested on bloated rugby playing oafs with average IQ's just because to become a detective you first had to walk a beat and to walk a beat you had to be 6 foot or taller. unfortunately height and IQ are not correlated in any way. after about 7 years they finally brought in a scientist (STuart Kind) and he pinpointed within a mile where Sutcliffe lived.
Report andyl November 1, 2018 10:36 PM GMT
have you watched kill jill?
Report Charlton2005 November 1, 2018 10:49 PM GMT
no, i'll have a watch in the next few days.
Report andyl November 1, 2018 10:53 PM GMT
ok,report back with your opinion.
Report Charlton2005 November 1, 2018 10:54 PM GMT
will do
Report smirnoff2therescue November 1, 2018 11:24 PM GMT
read a few books on Sutcliffe and he was put in the frame for murdering some bloke in late 60s long before he embarked on his killing spree of women - case wasnt helped by "wearside jack tapes" and George Oldfield taking people off the scent as well as an insatiable red top press throwing petrol on the various fires that were wrongly burning .

In the case of the McCanns at the very least how werent they done for child neglect - dog evidence was almost bombproof as well but doubt we will ever get to the bottom of this story
Report andyl November 1, 2018 11:27 PM GMT
MADELEINE McCann’s parents were not prosecuted for abandoning their daughter
while they dined near by because of “compassion”, law chiefs have claimed.

Portuguese officials thought Brits had “peculiar customs” where it was “natural
for them to leave the two-year-old twin siblings and the other
three-year-old child alone”.

Former minister of internal affairs Rui Pereira slammed Portuguese cops for
not making Kate, 48, and 47-year-old dad Gerry suspects for abandonment.

Madeleine, who was three at the time, was left sleeping in the family’s
holiday apartment in the Algarve resort with her younger twin siblings as
her parents went for dinner with friends in a nearby restaurant.

According
to the Daily Star, Mr Pereira said: “The error was not constituting the
parents as arguidos for the crime of abandonment.

“At the beginning there was an extraordinary and ridiculous theory that
said the English have very peculiar cultural customs.

“And therefore it was natural for them to leave the two-year-old twin siblings
and the other three-year-old child alone in a bedroom for the parents to go
out a few hundred metres away to socialise with their friends.’’
Report smirnoff2therescue November 1, 2018 11:34 PM GMT
working class family wuda been crucified and thrown to lions for similar behaviour CryCry
Report cardenden November 2, 2018 7:35 AM GMT
Parents did nothing wrong.
Report cardenden November 2, 2018 7:37 AM GMT
Ignore rico andyle dixi.   It says it all about him  alway trying to shaft someone
Report andyl November 2, 2018 9:03 AM GMT
smirnoff2therescue    01 Nov 18 23:34 
working class family wuda been crucified and thrown to lions for similar behaviour

or members of a specific group.Wink
Report John.W.Henry. November 2, 2018 9:49 AM GMT
Any  contributor who either blocked or totally ignored lfc1971 may want to take the same approach to the poster known as cardenden.

He actually has the ability to make lfc1971 appear intelligent Grin
Report andyl November 2, 2018 10:11 AM GMT
cardenden offers absolutely nothing to the forum,doesnt work,doesnt bet,this is his solace.
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2018 11:55 AM GMT
something I was thinking of , Gerry McCann said to the police when he went to check the app that the bedroom door was open

that’s interesting
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2018 12:00 PM GMT
did anyone else notice this ?
Anyone ever read anything about this fact , that’s what he said

Now has anyone read anything that mentions this anywhere and comments on it ?

It’s interesting
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2018 12:03 PM GMT
To me it points to the innocence of the McCanns

because he said that to the police
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2018 12:05 PM GMT
Let’s see if any of our great experts in this thread have noticed that , or read if anyone else any journalist or any policeman of any writer , whoever

Have they noticed this and what it means ?
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2018 12:07 PM GMT
i doubt it , let’s see if Henry or Alinn or Charlton or any  of the usual suspects

know ....
Report equine flew November 2, 2018 12:40 PM GMT

Nov 1, 2018 -- 6:34PM, smirnoff2therescue wrote:


working class family wuda been crucified and thrown to lions for similar behaviour


Working class family would have left the kids at home.

Report John.W.Henry. November 2, 2018 12:44 PM GMT
Just watch the quoted reference videos lfc...All u need 2 know is covered. About 16 hours worth of irrefutable evidence and facts. Just waiting for you and guess what ? Its freeeeeeeeeee......

Now be a good boy and run along ..Hold on...Incase you have buried it too deep again ..i will quickly find again for you...

The Madeleine McCann disappearance has become one of the most enduring mysteries of our time and has generated thousands of front page headlines.

Despite the unprecedented coverage, few people have detailed understanding of the evidence of the case. Mainstream media has been used to create diversion and confusion over what really happened, rather than inform their readers of the facts.

We present the most detailed TV documentary yet produced about this case. Focusing on witness statements, physical and circumstantial evidence, media articles, police photographs and more leaving the viewer with a comprehensive understanding of the facts.

Once the facts are laid bare, mainstream media are shown to be nothing more than a tool of propaganda in the hands of those trying to control the public's perception of reality for a range of nefarious purposes.

Watch the full set of productions in relation to this case ( 8 films ) and form your own opinion based on the available FACTS of the case. If you have any additional information which is considered relevant and differs from the documented evidence then we will consider if the presentation needs amending in accordance with the new evidence.

You will find the information at richplanet.net and they are  identified as TV categories under the header documentary films section.

Show No, 185 covers pt 1 to 4

Show No, 204 covers pt 5

Show No.222 covers pt 6

Show No, 236 covers pt 7

show No, 237 covers the concluding pt 8.

If you are not comfortable visiting the website ( remarkably many do not bother to follow the links even if interested ??) Then all productions are also listed on youtube,
Report posy November 2, 2018 12:45 PM GMT
A very amusing post equine
Report John.W.Henry. November 2, 2018 12:50 PM GMT
Please do not return asking any more silly inane questions.

Most of the intelligent thread contributors have now watched the full series and are now aware of the deception which has been put into place. As i said its all there 4 u Happy

Now you do the honourable deed and take time out from your usual spillage of bile all over the forum and watch the series.

You can thank me afterwards
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2018 12:55 PM GMT
McCann told the police that when he went to check the app the bedroom door was open

now that’s important , let’s see if anyone here can see why ( it’s beyond  that fool Henry )
Report John.W.Henry. November 2, 2018 12:59 PM GMT
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No 1 can accuse me of not trying to help educate you but thats enough , Cool
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2018 1:01 PM GMT
I will explain later why it is interesting , Henry of course will be posting his usual tripe without actually thinking , oh well
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2018 1:03 PM GMT
Maybe some of the other great experts here can do better that Henry

let’s see ....
Report geoff m November 2, 2018 1:11 PM GMT
Portuguese officials thought Brits had “peculiar customs” where it was “natural
for them to leave the two-year-old twin siblings and the other
three-year-old child alone”.


That aint natural, irrespective of class/background.
Report jamesdean November 2, 2018 2:52 PM GMT
Fk knows who's guilty and who's not etc don't know enough about it but these documentaries are biased as fk with the facts and made
to get people thinking, otherwise no one would be watching them or talking about them.

Same with that making a murderer on Netflix. All made for the viewer to belive he wasn't guilty but all the prosecuters facts
left out of the show.

That said, not saying the Mcann's are innocent, just that after watching enough tv they'll have you believe anything.

Would be good to see a docu where after every big claim/fact there was someone from the other side making a counter argument, then let the
viewer decide rather than hours of one way traffic.
Report John.W.Henry. November 2, 2018 3:08 PM GMT
James... This is nothing like a channel 4 or itv / bbc documentary. Thats all i will say
Report John.W.Henry. November 2, 2018 3:10 PM GMT
As a few have commented on this very thread. Some of the uncovered facts are irrefutable and that is why he hasnt faced a law suit or indeed had it taken down. I dont think i have ever watched such an in depth investigation
Report jamesdean November 2, 2018 3:20 PM GMT
No doubting anything John.

If they went the other way though and wanted you to believe they were both totally innocent I'm sure they
could find lots of other facts to have you thinking that way, especially if it was hours upon hours of one way traffic.

Spin can work both ways mind yet it doesn't make such good viewing. If they were ever jailed no doubt there would be a netflix
docu to make them out to be innocent like making a murderer
Report BornToWin November 2, 2018 3:30 PM GMT
james, you need only see the interviews of the McCanns themselves.

The Hyatt? guy (expert in dtetecting deception) basically dissects their every word as bull$hit.


An amateur bull$hit detector like me can see it so their amateur attempts are chicken feed to an expert.
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2018 3:37 PM GMT
^ more nonsense , he’ll be wanting to sentence someone to death on the say so of the local witch doctor next
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2018 3:42 PM GMT
Now ok , Gerry McCann told the police that the bedroom door was open :
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2018 3:59 PM GMT
If the McCanns aim was to pretend that there had been an abduction what would they have done ?

They would have gone out as usual and met their friends
Then Gerry ( or Kate) would have gone and checked the app and reported back that all was fine
Then later Kate would have checked the app and at that point would raise the alarm that madalaine was  missing

Then the police would ask Gerry and Kate to explain what happened , where they were what they saw as they checked on the children

And what does Gerry tell the police
He tells the police that the door was open ...note that

He doesn’t say that everything was fine when he checked the app
He said the door was open
But the plan was that Gerry would find the children to be safe and Kate would find her fine

But Gerry said the door was open , that is not something that he would have said if they were trying to pretend that the children were safe when Gerry checked
But gone when Kate checked

Gerry by saying that the door was open , unknowingly has given evidence that he is telling the truth
Why ? because a guilty man would not have said that , only an innocent one
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2018 4:04 PM GMT
You think they might have planned to say that the abductor was there when Gerry checked ?

No , why would they do that , it wouldn’t be if any possible benefit to plan it that way and say that the abductor was there when Gerry checked

No , they would say all was fine when Gerry checked , but not when Kate checked
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2018 4:07 PM GMT
he said the door was open , it is not a case of whether you believe him or not

He wouldn’t have said that , if he wasn’t telling the truth
Report Desert Pilot November 2, 2018 6:42 PM GMT
The apartment was 50.8 metres from the tapas bar.

Kate finds Maddie missing. So, instead of shouting the short distance across to the bar she decides to go back on foot leaving the twins unattended.
Report Desert Pilot November 2, 2018 6:44 PM GMT
Watch this and then tell me she was abducted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slziMpXYjJo
Report Desert Pilot November 2, 2018 6:49 PM GMT
Lie spotting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwALaaxavLA
Report lfc1971 November 2, 2018 7:19 PM GMT
Now carry on with all your useless wild imaginings

I have just proven that the McCanns are innocent
Report Desert Pilot November 2, 2018 7:23 PM GMT
tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock
Report andyl November 2, 2018 10:20 PM GMT
interviewed pn portuguese tv..

'gerry,what do you make of the dogs findings'

'ask the dogs'.
Report Charlton2005 November 3, 2018 7:46 AM GMT
incredible andy. i liked the interviewers response. "no im asking you gerry"
Report andyl November 3, 2018 11:01 AM GMT
is that really the response you'd expect from a parent of a missing 3yr old?
Report BornToWin November 3, 2018 11:03 AM GMT
Sociopath.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 3, 2018 5:50 PM GMT
correct.
Report casemoney November 3, 2018 10:28 PM GMT
The apartment was 50.8 metres from the tapas bar.

Kate finds Maddie missing. So, instead of shouting the short distance across to the bar she decides to go back on foot leaving the twins unattended.  Shocked

Good Point Desert ...
Report andyl November 3, 2018 10:30 PM GMT
it was actually 70 metres as the crow flies.
Report charwell. November 3, 2018 11:52 PM GMT
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I have just proven that the McCanns are innocent



Nope, you have just proven that you are a complete 1diot. Not that we needed confirmation.
Report Facts November 4, 2018 12:45 PM GMT
^ Spot on
Report lfc1971 November 4, 2018 9:14 PM GMT
^  the working classes are not capable of logical thought

don’t trust people like charwell and facts , they don’t deserve to be trusted
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 4, 2018 9:22 PM GMT
have they found the blue tennis bag that was in the crime scene photos that went awol and gerry denial ever having it

Laugh
Report lfc1971 November 4, 2018 9:25 PM GMT
There’s another one
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 4, 2018 9:26 PM GMT
same colour?
Report lfc1971 November 4, 2018 9:27 PM GMT
now as I say I have explained why the McCanns are innocent

I’m not going to go over it again , read it , read it slowly

And try and understand
Report lfc1971 November 4, 2018 9:31 PM GMT
It’s not a matter of whether you believe them or not , it’s not a question of that

But you have to be able to think logically

Look at it this way, I have done the thinking for you

All you have to do is read slowly and understand

Too difficult ?
Report lfc1971 November 4, 2018 9:32 PM GMT
Give it a try , go on surprise yourself
Report lfc1971 November 4, 2018 9:37 PM GMT
ps, no one else in the world , not one person

Has been able to see how important that little bit of evidence from Gerry was

He didn’t know himself , he couldn’t have

Until i noticed it , and then stopped , and something about it was interesting

I didn’t quite know why , and then I did ,

Read it and try and understand
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 4, 2018 10:17 PM GMT
puggled^
Report scaredmoney November 4, 2018 10:24 PM GMT
thought this was your thread steve?

they removed ya name from the top?
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 4, 2018 10:42 PM GMT
dixidunnit didnthe
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 4, 2018 10:43 PM GMT
ooh aye 1st post kapooted
Report LoyalHoncho November 5, 2018 2:05 AM GMT
The hysteria and insane speculation attached to this case reminds me very much of the Ayers Rock case, where baby Azaria was taken by a dingo yet no-one believed the mother, Lindy, who was jailed.  Thirty years later it was proved that she had been right all along.
Report Baphornet November 5, 2018 2:09 AM GMT
What's a dingo in the bush got to do with child abductors (allegedly) of the human variety please?
Report thegiggilo November 5, 2018 2:35 AM GMT
If you look at police interviews you will find the Tapas 7, Mccanns,Murat all changed statements and usually a year on from originals it's just unbelievable yet everythngs excepted.Thats just the very beginning of it, there must be literally hundreds of questions fobbed off i reckon you could make a list of 200 questions that were never given detailed answers too.If you read police reports without seeing knowing the case you would automatically assume these parents would be serving long jail sentences,even if you only thought neglect so much coersion between the tapas bunch and change of stastements to cover each other its laughable.
Report lfc1971 November 5, 2018 7:28 AM GMT
Now there’s more lies from the giggilo

You see prople like him , and Charwell and Facts are quite happy for innocent people to be sent to jail

They have shown in previous threads with other innocent people also

That’s what they are like they are completely unscrupulous individuals
Report skygreenzone November 5, 2018 8:41 AM GMT
As if all the other people at the table are gonna defend the mccanns if they believed they killed their daughter.Nobody knows more than the parents they made a horrendous mistake leaving the kids alone.And will spend a lifetime in a living hell for it.
Report thegiggilo November 5, 2018 9:18 AM GMT
Who said they were covering the Mc canns for killing their daughter? they were just covering themselves and changed their statements to fit a story the evidence is there on file,you can see the statements..How can you you chamge statements 2/3 times and not question it these were later statements to leicestershire police,these statements were clearky made becayuse no one had checked on maddie regularly if at all..lfc1971 the poster who's posted more drivel than all the posters put toghether in the histiory of betfair..
Report andyl November 5, 2018 9:36 PM GMT
Nobody knows more than the parents they made a horrendous mistake leaving the kids alone.

oh no they didnt.
Report cardenden November 5, 2018 10:01 PM GMT
Parents did nothing wrong.

Why have you started athis thread using the username dixi..
And keep posting using your other names andyl and rico..all we need now is for you to use your other username 11kv.you would stake your reputation on it..some reputation needs numerious usernames .you would be better in a playground.
Report AllinR1 November 5, 2018 11:28 PM GMT
Parents did nothing wrong?

Perhaps we should be grateful that no woman would let you near her, thus eliminating the chances of you procreating
Report cardenden November 6, 2018 4:19 AM GMT
Parentsvare good parents..
Report charwell. November 6, 2018 10:45 AM GMT
If you call good parenting leaving your kids alone (even the night after Madelaine was crying out for them) and using babysitter money so you can get p1ssed up then indeed they should be due an award as iconic role models.

Of course, that is even if nothing more sinister was involved.
Report andyl November 6, 2018 11:17 PM GMT
deecee^
Report andyl November 6, 2018 11:18 PM GMT
cardenden    05 Nov 18 22:01 
Parents did nothing wrong.
Report andyl November 6, 2018 11:18 PM GMT
deecee^
Report andyl November 6, 2018 11:18 PM GMT
not char Wink
Report charwell. November 7, 2018 2:37 AM GMT
cardenden    05 Nov 18 22:01 
Parents did nothing wrong.



...and Rab Havlin is an absolutely tremendous jockey.
Report cardenden November 7, 2018 9:13 AM GMT
Chaps this is the way this guy andyl rico dixi 11kv(  who are all the same person )likes to think he has you in his grasp..hes netted plenty on this thread..ask him why he replies under numerious usernames..

Whilr your asking him that.

AsK him to post his full pl for 30th march 2018..
That should allow us to have a right laugh.

Parents did nothing wrong.
Report cardenden November 7, 2018 9:16 AM GMT
He stated hed stake his reputation on what hes saying on this thread...some reputation that is .an absolute bully on here..like a little child he is. Has to post under all these names
Report salmon spray November 7, 2018 9:49 AM GMT
11kv     Confused
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 7, 2018 6:27 PM GMT
you forgot zola?
Report John.W.Henry. November 8, 2018 11:03 AM GMT
Ok I think i have digested all the content of the RDH investigation after running through it for a second time.

It appears that he has concluded that Maddie actually died on the sunday evening b4 the alleged abduction later the next week.

He indicates that it was probably death by misadventure as opposed to murder.

To appreciate his findings you have to watch the series of documentaries in full.

His explanations are thorough and you are left totally bewildered with what he has uncovered. This story is as deep as the pacific ocean |||

The levels of deception, fraud, disinformation, collaboration and manipulation which have taken place defy belief.

Most stories have two sides. I will struggle to comprehend the other side of this one after watching that.

" The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive  and unrealistic " JFK.
Report AllinR1 November 8, 2018 3:14 PM GMT
John W Henry, I suggest rather than watching RDH's documentaries over and over, that you watch Bogart's series. He concentrates mainly on the facts/evidence and seemingly has no other motives  for his work.

Unlike RDH, Bogart doesn't really come up with any fancy conspiracies, which will probably make for easier viewing.

Essentially both go over the evidence and implications of the evidence that media have distorted.

For laymen like lfc971 o suggest watching The Armchair Detectives series on the McCann case.

In fact his latest episode shows how the media (mainly the sun) continue to mislead and brainwash the public. This has clearly been a successful tactic when you consider the likes of lfc1971 who will accept anything they're told as truth. Link:

https://youtu.be/XB_PpCy8jh4
Report John.W.Henry. November 8, 2018 5:33 PM GMT
@ AllinR1. Thankyou. I will take a look.
Report breadnbutter November 8, 2018 5:51 PM GMT
Does the broken washing machine get a mention anywhere ?  I never found out what caused it to breakdown .
Report AllinR1 November 8, 2018 6:54 PM GMT
Bread, I'm not familiar with anything to do with the washing machine.
But perhaps it was to do with the Mccanns washing everything linked to Maddie's disappearance.

Let's not forget that not only did Eddie the dog detect the odour of cavader (rotting corpse) in the apartment and the hire car, but he also detected it on Kate's clothes and more damningly on Cuddle Cat (Maddie's fav teddy bear). He detected the latter unprompted!

It then comes to light that Kate washed Cuddle Cat.

So your daughter has vanished, and you are clearly so traumatised that you wash the thing closest to her, which has her scent on, all because it is dirty.

The tale just gets better and better.
Report AllinR1 November 8, 2018 7:14 PM GMT
I forgot to add that cuddle cat was only washed after the Mccanns were told that the dogs were being brought in.
Report andyl November 8, 2018 8:40 PM GMT
no much i dont know about the cae and never watched anything to do with bogart?

and,washing machine? do you mean the freezer gerry took to the tip?
Report AllinR1 November 8, 2018 9:10 PM GMT
andyl, Bogart has a series on Madeleine McCann on YouTube. He covers all the known evidence and imo covers it in a much more detailed and manageable way than RDH.

Part 12, he says, is released on Sunday,titled "The Totman Conspiracy" (whatever that means) and I'm quite excited.
Report andyl November 8, 2018 9:30 PM GMT
never even heard about it on the madeleine fb group..strange.

ive read all the known evidence in the pj files and as i said earlier my mate was there investigating it when it happened.
Report AllinR1 November 8, 2018 9:42 PM GMT
Wow àndyl, my understanding is that the Pj files contain over 30,000 pages. If correct, great commitment by yourself.
Report andyl November 8, 2018 9:53 PM GMT
followed everything from the outset..and i had insider info Cool
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