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07 Jul 18 11:03
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passed away aged 78.Sad
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Report sageform July 7, 2018 11:11 AM BST
Sad news. The oldies will remember the likes of Shirley Heights, Salsabil among many others.
Report GEORGE.B July 7, 2018 11:12 AM BST
I noticed he was down as joint owner of the well bred debutant Venedegar, who ran yesterday in the 3.00 Sandown, carrying the Windfower Overseas colours.

Report ged July 7, 2018 11:18 AM BST
This oldie remembers when he was a trainer in his 20s with horses like Burglar, Great Bear and Little Bear.
Report the dealer July 7, 2018 11:20 AM BST
r.i.p he had some top class animals in his time, Fingals Cave one of my favourite horses
Report ged July 7, 2018 11:22 AM BST
(and Edward Bear, who wasn't as good, who I saw run at Windsor one time).
Report ashleigh July 7, 2018 11:22 AM BST
best horses, crcus plume,erhaab,habibti,invincible spirit,marju.milenary,quick as lightning,salsabil,shadayid,shirley heights,silver patriach.

backed many of the years.Happy

all started for the maktoum family with hatta there first winner at brighton in 1977.
Report sageform July 7, 2018 11:23 AM BST
I remember the names ged, but Shirley Heights really put him up at the top table.
Report ashleigh July 7, 2018 11:23 AM BST
Report Vubiant July 7, 2018 11:24 AM BST
I seem to remember he had an early classic success with Black Satin.Did he also train One In A Million ?
Report asparagus July 7, 2018 11:27 AM BST
Plenty of other very good ones not mentioned above. Bahri winning the QE2 was a particular favourite of mine. Elnadim, Mujahid, Lahib also.

More importantly as well as a great trainer he was an absolute gentleman in the same mould as Sir Henry. Legend.
Report posy July 7, 2018 11:28 AM BST
No Cecil trained her
Report Cork Langer July 7, 2018 11:29 AM BST
RIP, very much old school, lucky enough to have had some very decent horses and unfortunate to be training at the same time as some legends, otherwise he would have had more than the solitary Trainers Championship he gained
Report posy July 7, 2018 11:33 AM BST
asparagus not really in the same mould as Cecil...his departure from the training ranks involved a voluntary liquidation which left a load of small businesses out of pocket and statutory redundancy to his staff.
Report sparrow July 7, 2018 11:36 AM BST
Sad news and I remember him in his earlier days being very good at getting his stayers well handicapped after 3 runs.
Report sageform July 7, 2018 11:36 AM BST
Just looking at the 2000 Horses in Training when JD had 180 in training. They included Millenary, Invincible Spirit, Mujahid and Sakhee. Significantly though, only Olden Times from the list of 2yo's rings any bells with me. The beginning of the decline?
Report asparagus July 7, 2018 11:37 AM BST
Posy, fair enough, i'm sure you know those details better than me. On racing UK they suggested he remained loyal to his staff for too long rather than letting them down.
Report sageform July 7, 2018 11:39 AM BST
He was probably better at training horses than running a business.
Report SPOT THE DOG July 7, 2018 11:44 AM BST
Daniel with Jon Ware on at Goodwood, Hutchinson on the Fav i think, Hutch made most for Daniel to swoop inside the forlong pole.
Report onlooker July 7, 2018 11:44 AM BST
John Dunlop  entered training at the top table by being, effectively, Private Trainer to the Duke of Norfolk - the then Royal Ascot representative for The Queen.

Dunlop having been Assistant Trainer to Gordon Smyth (for not that long a period of time) and Gordon Smyth having been trainer of the Duke of Norfolk's horses at the Duke's stables on the Arundel Estate.

'Off to a flyer' could be an appropriate observation.

Just like his contemporary Dick Hern - Leaving aside Classic races (which are always the standard citation in these circumstance)  - what proper punters will remember them both for was just how reliable they both were when they ran a horse in a 2-y-old Nursery Handicap, and 3-y-old Handicaps.
Coincidentally, often ridden, for both trainers, by Willie Carson.

Lump on - and then some more.
Report mrcombustible July 7, 2018 11:45 AM BST
Posy is correct. Post 11.33
Report spyker July 7, 2018 11:46 AM BST
I wander if his old stable staff will have a whip-round to pay for the funeral?
Report SPOT THE DOG July 7, 2018 11:51 AM BST
He gave me £20 3 years ago, for a Christmas tip, for delivering his daily Racing Post and the Times.
Report portmanpark July 7, 2018 12:01 PM BST
very sad RIP
Report lead on July 7, 2018 12:02 PM BST
Really sorry to read this.Always one of my favourite trainers and had that knack of steadily improving horses...personal favourites for having followed and backed them ...Sea Chimes,Moon Madness,Castle Keep,Seymour Hicks,Beau Reef,Posse...the list is endless.Would have been his birthday next week
Report GHOSTOFALEXBIRD July 7, 2018 12:15 PM BST

A true gentleman
Report Vubiant July 7, 2018 12:33 PM BST
Thanks to posy for correction e One In A Million. I was thinking of Quick As Lightning who won the year after !
Must try to google more before I post. Plain
Report acey deucy July 7, 2018 12:37 PM BST
Sad News he was a True Gentleman.....Shame it ended like it did with a lot of disgruntled employees.
Report themightymac July 7, 2018 12:59 PM BST
Very sad to hear this, a true racing legend. Coincidence this happens on Eclipse day as Scottish Rifle`s victory in 73 was probably his first big win. RIP
Report impossible123 July 7, 2018 1:01 PM BST
Sad news. J Dunlop was a very good trainer. RIP.
Report SlippyBlue July 7, 2018 1:05 PM BST
That is extremely sad news to read of his passing, he was a very fine trainer and trained my all time favourite horse Salsabil. R.I.P.
Report themightymac July 7, 2018 1:12 PM BST

Shirley Heights, A memorable and first Derby winner for Mr Dunlop. RIP
Report Oldgit1 July 7, 2018 1:15 PM BST
We used to go to his open days at Castle Stables and saw some of his decent horses. His staff were always very open with their answers to questions.

We met him and his wife once at the The racing museum at when we were in Newmarket for the Craven meeting one year. We were about the only ones there. He helped my wife with a racing puzzle she was doing while his wife and I talked about Lester in his Hurdle racing days.
He was fortunate to survive when his aortic aneurysm burst and they got him to hospital and a surgeon was available. Hope I'm as fortunate if mine ever bursts.
Report big aitch July 7, 2018 1:23 PM BST
He was a Gentleman, trained Belper the one eyed horse, Spot The Dog, do you live in Arundel?
Report pumphol. July 7, 2018 1:25 PM BST
Think asparagus was asserting to being a gentleman in the same mould as Sir Henry rather than his training achievements,as for the voluntary liquidation that doesn't necessarily make someone less of a decent person I would have thought.
Report jamilla14 July 7, 2018 1:26 PM BST
Went bankrupt with debts approaching £1.4 million leaving a load of creditors high and dry, yet still managed to live the high life to the end.RIP.
Report Johnny_Mustang July 7, 2018 1:26 PM BST
I spend a lot of time in Arundel Big Aitch, mostly at the Black Rabbit.
Report isleham July 7, 2018 1:30 PM BST
saw the mighty salsabil at a stable open day..great stuff
Report Movewiththetimes July 7, 2018 1:42 PM BST
RIP top trainer
Report Greg_Gory July 7, 2018 1:57 PM BST
R.I.P Sad
Report GLASGOWCALLING July 7, 2018 2:00 PM BST
Belper sprang to mind for me as well big aitch, RIP.
Report loper July 7, 2018 2:03 PM BST
He was the first (in modern times) to exploit the so called loophole of running his middle distance horses over sprint distances 3 times as 2yos to get them h'capped for their 3yo careers.
Report dunlaying July 7, 2018 2:45 PM BST
Very sad news .
Report Oldgit1 July 7, 2018 3:38 PM BST
I think that latterly he did not give his horses the same time to mature as he needed winners to help his cash flow.
Report stewarty b July 7, 2018 3:58 PM BST
Sad news but from a punting point of view did he like a bet? Anyways can anyone remember one Saturday when he had a few runners at a 'lesser' meeting and won with four of them and the acca payed 5000-8000/1 If I remember correctly. I'm sure it was between those two figures as he had two maiden winners at 40's and maybe 25's in the four? The biggest clue I can give is that all four were ridden my Ian Mognam.
Report Oldgit1 July 7, 2018 4:01 PM BST
I was surprised that he was only 78 as I always thought he looked older than me.
Report portmanpark July 7, 2018 4:06 PM BST
Did belper win at brighton.
Report blackbarn July 7, 2018 4:14 PM BST
Yes, won at Brighton in 1974 before going on to win todays Old Newton Cup at Haydock.
Report blackbarn July 7, 2018 4:18 PM BST
Won six times at Brighton in total. Wink
Report stewarty b July 7, 2018 4:40 PM BST
blackbarn, that prize pr1ck is taking the p1ss out of you. A sleekik hunt of the highest order. Think of it this way, how did he know about Belper?

A pure parasite and nothing else.
Report blackbarn July 7, 2018 4:51 PM BST
I know sb, been there before with him.  Best way is to play a straight bat with the facts imo. At the very worst, others might find it interesting
Report Movewiththetimes July 7, 2018 4:56 PM BST
Apt winner 4-50 beverley Cool
Report SPOT THE DOG July 7, 2018 5:32 PM BST
big aitch

yes, i was born in Arundel, and have lived back here for 34 years
Report SPOT THE DOG July 7, 2018 6:20 PM BST
Mr Dunlop was one of the first to patronize Cagnes-Sur-Mer, to get them ready for the flat here.

Report themightymac July 7, 2018 6:47 PM BST
blackbarn - I remember back in the early 80s (I think) - I was at Ayr and won a small fortune on one of Mr Dunlop`s named Northleach (not sure about spelling) which won 1st or 2nd race at decent odds. Do you know who owned it? I think it was check colours possibly yellow and something? Was a prominent owner at the time but the name escapes me.
Report big aitch July 7, 2018 6:50 PM BST
STD, we love Arundel, members of the Wildlife and Wetland so go there and sometimes Swanbourne Lake.

Johnny, The Black Rabbit is very popular, I don't go to pubs very often, last time I went there it was heaving. Always remember back in the 80's we had a new 2.8 Capri, I put an Alarm on it and we went there, all the Herberts were coming out and getting in their XR3i's while I was trying to start ours as the immobiliser was faulty on the alarm and I had to rewire it to get it going, very embarrassing.
Report Cork Langer July 7, 2018 7:05 PM BST
Not sure about a 4 timer ridden by Ian Mongan, Dunlop had a 5 timer where Mongan rode 3 of them with Willie Supple and Mick Kinane chipping in with one each, it was the year RA was run at York, the date 16th June 2005, the cumulative odds were a mere 295,595/1, the individual winners were

Thakafaat 22/1 Supple in the Ribblesdale
Jedburgh 8/1 Kinane in the Buckingham Palace
Layazaal 16/1 Mongan in a Newbury maiden
Goodwood Spirit 20/1 Mongan in a Newbury handicap
Tawqeet 3/1fav Mongan in a Newbury handicap

Dunlop had two runners in Layazaal's race, the "big loser" of the day was Grey Plover 7/2, in a later maiden that stopped at least one fellows Lucky 63 coming up...!
Report Gerald the Show Pony July 7, 2018 7:50 PM BST
I was only mentioning last week that I was amazed that I took (then my young) son to an open day at John Dunlop's stable and we went into Silver Patriarch's box and I am sure that this was just before his near miss in the Derby. Mr Dunlop seemed an old school sort of trainer but someone who could welcome mere punters such as myself with good grace. RIP.
Report lead on July 7, 2018 8:17 PM BST
Bunker Hunt colours,mightymac?
Report themightymac July 7, 2018 10:55 PM BST
No it definitely wasn`t Bunker Hunt colours of Dahlia fame. A woman I think, possibly a Belgian?
Report onlooker July 7, 2018 11:13 PM BST
themightymac -     Saturday  July 21st 1979

Ayr - First race  7 furlong Handicap

Northleach was a 4-yr-old - Won at 7/2 FAV from 9/2

Owned by - Mrs M Lequime  -  Her Colours not registered in England, apparently
Report themightymac July 7, 2018 11:19 PM BST
That is her onlooker, brilliant stuff mate. I`m sure her colours were checks, yellow and ???? but I may be wrong. Do you know which horse won second race please? I remember betting first two winners and was up about a grand, a small fortune back then, and didn`t have another bet. Any stats on Northleach`s career? I seem to recall it won a few races that year. 1979 wow.
Report ged July 7, 2018 11:30 PM BST
She owned North Stoke as well. I think the colours were green and white check, white sleeves, green cap.
Report onlooker July 8, 2018 12:02 AM BST
themightymac -  The second race was Won by - Warmington 11/2 3rd fav - 5 ran
Ridden by - A 'Tony' Kimberley - Trained by Jeremy Hindley

NORTHLEACH - Won 7 times from 14 outings in 1979

First win was at Beverley on April - Carried a Penalty (for the Ayr Win) to success in the Drayton Handicap at Glorious Goodwood - and won another two races after that, aswell.

Only ran once as a 2-y-old - But won 4 from 11 as a 3-y-old, including seasonal debut and last race

Won the Newbury Spring Cup as a 5-yr-old (1980) - But then the Handicapper caught up - and no wins in a further 12 runs - although 2nd three times.
Report ashleigh July 8, 2018 1:11 PM BST
just reading his obituary, completely forgot about the horse that never ran because he was so slow, snaafi dancer cost sheik mo $10.2 million as a yearling.
Report portmanpark July 8, 2018 1:25 PM BST
People having a go because what happened to the staff at the end but I think it was mostly down to the fact he was so loyal to his staff when his numbers diminished .It was his loyalty to those staff that got him into money troubles.I think he is one of our greatest trainers and should be remembered for that.RIP john
Report portmanpark July 8, 2018 1:27 PM BST
he was*
Report portmanpark July 8, 2018 1:27 PM BST
he was*
Report mini me July 8, 2018 2:00 PM BST
John trained all of our 'Goodwood' horses with the utmost patience. Some were useless and never ran but Goodwood Starlight won 4 times when he was in our syndicate and got on very well with Eddie Ahern, including when he won first time out at Salisbury at 12/1.

Happy days on the Arundel gallops listening to John's running commentary before going into town for a pie and chips in the Red Lion. I wonder if the pub is still there.......
Report dambuster July 8, 2018 5:58 PM BST
Spoke to him over a cup of tea in the bar at the top of the stands at Folkestone one day, Piggott was riding a horse of hes in the first  called (something like) ,Bobbysoxer !!!!, he told me it had a great chance, it won, i took 4-1... a lovely man...wish i could find the result
Report Cork Langer July 8, 2018 6:12 PM BST
Was it pre or post war...?
Report verbotene liebe July 8, 2018 6:19 PM BST
As well as North Stoke, a stayer called Billion ran in the Bunker-Hunt colours and stayed in training  as a six year old when still an entire. Won the Bessborough, Chester Summer Handicap, Henry 11 ( as a six year old in 1980), and was runner up to John Cherry in the Queen Alexandra.
Report Cork Langer July 8, 2018 6:22 PM BST
Your memory not what it was dambuster, was 20th July 1993, Folkestone the first of three straight wins all ridden by Pat Eddery, the other two were Epsom and Salisbury  and you were done as the SP price returned at Folkestone was 9/2...!
Report spyker July 8, 2018 8:24 PM BST
People having a go because what happened to the staff at the end but I think it was mostly down to the fact he was so loyal to his staff when his numbers diminished.

This is about all there is  as it seems the media missed the bones of the story:

His staff got paid by the taxpayer but the story seems to have been expunged from t'internet', or maybe behind paywalls.
Report Oldgit1 July 9, 2018 6:29 PM BST
Strange that Ted Durcan has not had a mention as one of Mr Dunlop's jockeys. At Castle Stables they referred to him as Grand Dad.
Report TheFear July 9, 2018 6:37 PM BST
can we read anywhere about what happened with the staff? Cant find it on google i wonder if they had it brushed from history!
Report Cork Langer July 9, 2018 6:52 PM BST
Oldgit1, no one ever got rich where Ted was concerned unless they were prepared to lay his mounts, off the top of my head I can't recall a decent horse he was successful on for JD, though I'm sure there must have been a few, someone will provide the appropriate details no doubt in due course.
Report themightymac July 9, 2018 7:18 PM BST
Thanks onlooker and Ged. North Stoke was a decent horse
Report geoff m July 10, 2018 12:11 PM BST
Recall North Stoke running in the CHampion Stakes won by Flying Water was working part time  on ice crean vans listening to radio 1977 or 8 the voice of Peter Bromley.
Report Oldgit1 July 10, 2018 1:52 PM BST
Cork Langer:
He won the Oaks for Sir Henry on Light Shift,
Report themightymac July 10, 2018 5:42 PM BST
Ron Hutchinson and Mr Dunlop were a great partnership.
Report Cork Langer July 10, 2018 9:15 PM BST
Oldgit1, I was referring to JD alone as the thread was about his passing and to be honest I still haven't come up with a class horse that Ted rode for him, come to that nor has anyone else, including ima, who is and has always been Ted's number one fan...!
Report blackbarn July 10, 2018 10:35 PM BST
Beatrice Aurore was a class horse that meets your criteria.
Report blackbarn July 10, 2018 10:43 PM BST
Here is a list of Durcan's big race wins according to the RP....

28Sep17    Jockey Club Rose Bowl Stakes (Listed Race)    Face The Facts    J Gosden    £20,983
03Sep16    Appletiser Stakes (Heritage Handicap)    Noumea    M Johnston    £62,250
22Jul16    British Stallion Studs EBF Lyric Fillies' Stakes (Listed Race)    Diploma    Sir M Stoute    £22,684
14May16    Betfair Cash Out King Charles II Stakes (Listed Race)    Thikriyaat    Sir M Stoute    £20,983
29Aug15    Stobart Club And Shop Hopeful Stakes (Listed Race)    Polybius    D Lanigan    £22,684
13Sep14    Feel The Rush At Betfair Stand Cup (Listed Race)    Energia Fribby    M Botti    £23,680
18Aug13    Grosser Preis Des Audi Zentrums Hannover (Group 3) (3yo) (Turf)    Limario    R Dzubasz    £26,016
05Oct12    Keltbray Noel Murless Stakes (Listed Race)    Biographer    D Lanigan    £19,849
12May12    Betfred Derby Trial Stakes (Group 3) (Colts & Geldings)    Main Sequence    D Lanigan    £34,026
26Jan12    Dubai Duty Free Handicap (Turf)    Dark Matter    S Burridge    £67,742
01Oct11    John Guest Bengough Stakes (Group 3)    Royal Rock    C Wall    £39,697
01Oct11    Jaguar XJ Cornwallis Stakes (Group 3)    Ponty Acclaim    T Easterby    £19,849
21Sep11    Tanqueray Stakes (Listed Race) (Registered as The Foundation Stakes)    Hunter's Light    S bin Suroor    £17,013
27Aug11    totepool Winter Hill Stakes (Group 3)    Prince Siegfried    S bin Suroor    £28,355
24Jul11    Skybet Supporting The Yorkshire Racing Summer Festival Pomfret Stakes (Listed Race)    Emerald Commander    S bin Suroor    £17,013
18May11    Casco Height of Fashion Stakes (Listed Race) (Fillies)    Beatrice Aurore    J Dunlop    £17,778
10Mar11    Dubai Duty Free Double Millionaire (Handicap) (Tapeta)    Honour System    S bin Suroor    £67,308
03Nov10    digibet Floodlit Stakes (Listed Race)    Mastery    S bin Suroor    £14,484
25Sep10    Deloitte Rosemary Handicap (Listed Race) (Fillies & Mares)    Aspectoflove    S bin Suroor    £22,708
17Sep10    Dubai Duty Free Cup (Listed Race)    Delegator    S bin Suroor    £19,870
28Aug10    totepool August Stakes (Listed Race)    Whispering Gallery    S bin Suroor    £19,870
12Mar10    Jebel Ali Sprint Sponsored By Shadwell Farm (Listed Race) (Dirt)    Terrific Challenge    S Seemar    £50,336
03Oct09    Kingdom of Bahrain Sun Chariot Stakes (Group 1) (Fillies & Mares)    Sahpresa    R Collet    £113,540
18Sep09    Dubai Duty Free Cup (Listed Race)    Ashram    S bin Suroor    £22,708
12Sep09    Ladbrokes St Leger Stakes (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    Mastery    S bin Suroor    £306,586
08Aug09 Sweet Solera Stakes (Group 3) (Fillies)    Long Lashes    S bin Suroor    £28,385
25Apr09 Leicestershire Stakes (Listed Race)    Asset    S bin Suroor    £22,708
05Mar09    Mahab Al Shimaal - Dayjur (Group 3) (Dirt)    Gayego    S bin Suroor    £83,333
06Feb09    Concourse 2750 (Handicap) (Turf)    Friston Forest    S bin Suroor    £62,500
29Jan09    Dubal Potline Trophy (Handicap) (Turf)    Age Of Reason    S bin Suroor    £72,917
01Nov08    bet365 James Seymour Stakes (Listed Race)    With Interest    S bin Suroor    £22,708
04Oct08    Guisborough Stakes (Listed Race)    Il Warrd    S bin Suroor    £22,708
12Sep08    Polypipe Flying Childers Stakes (Group 2)    Madame Trop Vite    K A Ryan    £45,416
09Aug08    toteswinger Rose of Lancaster Stakes (Group 3)    Multidimensional    Sir H Cecil    £42,578
27Jul08    Prix Eugene Adam (Group 2) (Right-handed)    Twice Over    Sir H Cecil    £167,647
24Jul08    Keep Able Star Stakes (Listed Race)    Honest Quality    Sir H Cecil    £17,031
19Jul08    David Wilson Homes Steventon Stakes (Listed Race)    Passage Of Time    Sir H Cecil    £24,979
04Jul08    William Ewart Properties Gala Stakes (Listed Race)    Many Volumes    Sir H Cecil    £22,708
24May08    National Express Fairway Stakes (Listed Race)    Unnefer    Sir H Cecil    £17,031
17May08    Enter The Flat totetentofollow Stakes (Registered As The Aston Park Stakes) (Listed Race)    Tranquil Tiger    Sir H Cecil    £17,031
03May08 Newmarket Stakes (Listed Race) (Colts & Geldings)    Kandahar Run    Sir H Cecil    £17,031
17Apr08 Craven Stakes (Group 3) (Colts & Geldings)    Twice Over    Sir H Cecil    £28,385
28Feb08    UAE Oaks (Sponsored by Al Tayer Motors) (Listed Race) (Dirt) (Fillies)    Cocoa Beach    S bin Suroor    £75,377
28Feb08    Zabeel Mile (Div I) (Sponsored by Ford) (Listed Race) (Turf)    Wise Dennis    A Jarvis    £60,302
08Feb08    UAE 1000 Guineas - Meydan (Listed Race) (Fillies) (Dirt)    Cocoa Beach    S bin Suroor    £75,377
27Oct07    Weatherbys St Simon Stakes (Group 3)    Crime Scene    S bin Suroor    £26,687
20Oct07    Igloos Bentinck Stakes (Group 3)    Greek Renaissance    S bin Suroor    £26,687
19Oct07    Georgia House Stud Darley Stakes (Group 3)    Windsor Knot    S bin Suroor    £26,687
28Sep07    EBF PricewaterhouseCoopers Harvest Stakes (Listed Race) (Fillies & Mares)    Brisk Breeze    Sir H Cecil    £17,034
25Aug07    totepool Beverley Bullet Sprint Stakes (Listed Race)    Hellvelyn    B Smart    £17,781
29Jul07    Pomfret Stakes (Listed Race)    Blue Ksar    S bin Suroor    £17,034
01Jun07    Vodafone Oaks (Group 1) (Fillies)    Light Shift    Sir H Cecil    £222,350
09May07    Weatherbys Bank Cheshire Oaks (for the Robert Sangster Memorial Cup) (Listed Race) (Fillies)    Light Shift    Sir H Cecil    £22,712
28Apr07 Leicestershire Stakes (Listed Race)    New Seeker    P Cole    £14,763
16Feb07    Jebel Ali Mile (Listed Race) (Dirt)    Parole Board    S Seemar    £29,207
05Nov06    Premio Roma (Group 1)    Cherry Mix    S bin Suroor    £111,448
28Oct06    bet365 Ben Marshall Stakes (Listed Race)    Blue Ksar    S bin Suroor    £15,898
16Sep06    John Smith's Stakes (Heritage Handicap)    Pinpoint    W Swinburn    £62,320
27Aug06    Dance Design Stakes (Listed Race) (Fillies)    Blessyourpinksox    Peter Casey    —
20Aug06    Slatch Farm Stud Flying Fillies' Stakes (Listed Race)    Indian Maiden    M Saunders    £25,551
20Jun06    Coventry Stakes (Group 2)    Hellvelyn    B Smart    £45,424
06May06    Letheby & Christopher Predominate Stakes (Listed Race) (Colts & Geldings)    Championship Point    M Channon    £19,873
02May06    European Breeders Fund Lansdown Fillies' Stakes (Listed Race)    Indian Maiden    M Saunders    £15,898
02Feb06    Dubal Potline Cup (Handicap) (Turf)    Caesar Beware    A Laird    £66,134
30Nov05    National Day Cup (Listed Race)    Trademark    S Seemar    £12,766
23Oct05    Premio Lydia Tesio (Group 1) (Fillies & Mares)    Dubai Surprise    S bin Suroor    £99,468
02Sep05    Maurice Lacroix-Trophy (Group 2)    Ajigolo    M Channon    £35,461
21Aug05    Darley Prix Morny (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    Silca's Sister    M Channon    £141,837
18Aug05    Jaguar Cars Lowther Stakes (Group 2) (Fillies)    Flashy Wings    M Channon    £51,000
29Jul05    Oak Tree Stakes (Group 3) (Fillies & Mares)    Majestic Desert    M Channon    £29,000
15Jun05    Queen Mary Stakes (Group 2) (Fillies)    Flashy Wings    M Channon    £40,600
14Jun05    Chesham Stakes (Listed Race)    Championship Point    M Channon    £23,200
08Jun05    Lord Weinstock Memorial Stakes (Registered As The Ballymacoll Stud Stakes) (Listed Race)    Ruby Wine    J Eustace    £16,240
05Jun05    Prix du Gros-Chene (Group 2)    The Trader I    M Blanshard    £48,511
26Apr05    European Breeders Fund Lansdown Fillies' Stakes (Listed Race)    Indian Maiden    M Saunders    £17,400
14Apr05    bet365 Feilden Stakes (Listed Race)    Rocamadour    M Channon    £16,240
15Oct04    Igloos Bentinck Stakes (Group 3)    Royal Millennium    M Channon    £29,000
19Sep04    Irish National Stud Blandford Stakes (Group 2) (Fillies & Mares)    Monturani    G Wragg    —
18Sep04    Ballygallon Stud Renaissance Stakes (Group 3)    Royal Millennium    M Channon    —
27Jul04    Betfair Molecomb Stakes Class A (Group 3)    Tournedos    M Channon    £23,200
22May04    EBF Joan Westbrook Pinnacle Stakes Class A (Listed Race) (Fillies & Mares)    Pongee    L Cumani    £23,200
05May04    Letheby & Christopher Cheshire Oaks Class A (Listed Race) (Fillies)    Hidden Hope    G Wragg    £29,000
28Apr04    Bovis Homes Pavilion Stakes Class A (Listed Race)    Millbag    M Channon    £17,400
14Apr04    Shadwell Stud Nell Gwyn Stakes Class A (Group 3) (Fillies)    Silca's Gift    M Channon    £29,000
11Mar04    Melbourne Racing Club U.A.E. Oaks (Fillies) (Conditions Race) (Dirt)    Tamarillo    M Kurdi    £90,782
05Feb04    UAE 2000 Guineas (Group 3) (Dirt)    Little Jim    S Seemar    £90,782
16Nov03    Premio Roma - SIS (Group 1)    Imperial Dancer    M Channon    £93,377
01Nov03    Zetland Stakes Class A (Listed Race)    Fun And Games    M Channon    £11,600
25Oct03    Tote St Simon Stakes Class A (Group 3)    Imperial Dancer    M Channon    £17,400
18Oct03    Owen Brown Rockfel Stakes Class A (Group 2)    Cairns    M Channon    £34,800
20Sep03    Weatherbys Stakes Class A (Listed Race) (Registered As The Doonside Cup)    Imperial Dancer    M Channon    £11,600
06Sep03    Stanley Leisure Sprint Cup Class A (Group 1)    Somnus    T Easterby    £130,500
05Sep03    Maurice Lacroix Trophy (Group 2)    Mokabra    M Channon    £34,416
30Jan03    Al Shindagha Sprint    Feet So Fast    S Seemar    £39,252
19Oct02    Newmarket Darley Stakes Class A (Listed Race)    Golden Silca    M Channon    £17,400
05Oct02    betabet Two-Year-Old Trophy Class B    Somnus    T Easterby    £97,585
11Sep02    £200000 St Leger Yearling Stakes Class B    Somnus    T Easterby    £143,750
26May02    Premio Carlo d'Alessio (Group 2)    Narrative    S bin Suroor    £66,891
13Apr02    Emirates Airline Al Bastikiya (Prestige Race)    Expect    S bin Suroor    £82,192
03Feb02    Al Rashidiya (Listed)    Musha Merr    K McLaughlin    £39,252
27Jan02    HH The President Cup Sponsored by Call Group International (Listed)    Glad Master    J D Sadler    £22,429
30Jun01    John Smith's Extra Smooth Chipchase Stakes Class A (Group 3)    Firebolt    M Tompkins    £20,300
26May01    Weatherbys General Stud Book Vol 44 Rated Stakes Class A (Handicap) (Listed)    Firebolt    M Tompkins    £15,382
15Mar01    Pearls Of Dubai Sales Graduate Stakes    Just Call Me    S Seemar    £91,075
25Mar00    Dubai Duty Free (Group 3) (Turf)    Rhythm Band    S bin Suroor    £731,707
25Mar00    Godolphin Mile (Listed) (Dirt)    Conflict    N Robb    £91,463
11Jul96    Tipperary Directors Sprint Stakes (Listed)    Ailleacht    J Bolger    —
03Jun96    Silver Flash Stakes (Listed)    Azra    J Bolger    —
Report Cork Langer July 10, 2018 11:54 PM BST
blackbarn, wasn't really about Ted it was the combination of JD & Ted, but your offering of BA is a decent example, albeit I would put money on it being the sole suggestion anyone can come up with off the top of their head, I still can't come up with anything plausible (but then I am of course a bit "dim"...!)
Report blackbarn July 11, 2018 12:16 AM BST
Cork - read the thread!!,  It is or was about JD.  Someone suggested entirely reasonably that it was odd that a JD thread would exclude TD. 

It was YOU that responded with your 18.52 Durcan critique that suggested he had never ridden a decent hoss for JO. I merely gave you one. The reasons Durcan did not ride the best of the Dunlop horses can easily be determined by who rode the ones he didn't from the list below.
Report Cork Langer July 11, 2018 12:25 AM BST
blackbarn, to simplify, explain the reasoning behind posting a list of Ted's winners on a tribute to John Dunlop...? To me it seems an odd thing to do, if you posted a list of Dunlops major winners then I could understand what you are saying about him missing out by only having the one you cited, but you haven't...! Senior moment...?
Report blackbarn July 11, 2018 12:44 AM BST
You sought a class horse that TD rode for JD - I gave you one.  I gave you TD other winners for context, particularly as it would be ridiculous to judge a jockey on his record for a trainer that he was hardly ever first choice.
Report Cork Langer July 11, 2018 12:56 AM BST
So from the list you posted, how do I decipher who rode the other Dunlop winners that you suggested I could do in your post 12.16...?
Report Oldgit1 July 11, 2018 12:26 PM BST
Blackbarn: As he got rides for Dunlop, Sir Henry and Sir Michael he could not be as bad as some try to make out.
Report bettysboy July 11, 2018 1:29 PM BST
mini me -- yes the Red Lion is still there.

When Shirley Heights won the derby, the local bookie - in the square just across the road from The Red Lion - ran out of cash and couldn't pay everyone out, so the landlord at the Red Lion took our winning betting slips as collateral and wrote our tabs on the back. We collected them the next day and collected from the bookies, then paid our dues at the pub.
Report posy July 11, 2018 4:32 PM BST
that's a great anecdote bettysboy.
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