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Report Whippin Piccadilly May 9, 2018 3:40 PM BST
Yes! Cool
Report BigField May 9, 2018 3:40 PM BST
no think saxon warrior be a different class
Report Cork Langer May 9, 2018 3:43 PM BST
Italian version maybe
Report Whippin Piccadilly May 9, 2018 3:44 PM BST
What^ Get on now for Epsom.
Report sparrow May 9, 2018 3:45 PM BST
Very much doubt it at Epsom.
Report Whippin Piccadilly May 9, 2018 3:49 PM BST
I'm all over it for the English Derby.
Report themightymac May 9, 2018 3:56 PM BST
I hope so
Report MayoMan May 9, 2018 4:47 PM BST
only a few lengths in front of Hunting Horn - More chance of the Queen marrying Donald Trump
Report themightymac May 9, 2018 4:56 PM BST
10/1 with books.

Only it`s 3rd run and race wasn`t run to suit him on a tight track.

Showed some class winning in the manner it did and has further improvement in him.

It will definitely stay at Epsom but will the fav?
Report Johnny_Mustang May 9, 2018 5:04 PM BST
Absolutely no chance, none whatsoever. Saxon Warrior will destroy the field at Epsom.
Report gutfeeling May 9, 2018 5:21 PM BST
^^ Dat.
Report FELTFAIR May 9, 2018 6:08 PM BST
I doubt it.
Report Janthefish May 9, 2018 6:49 PM BST
There is no such race as the 'English' Derby!
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! May 9, 2018 7:25 PM BST

Report Whippin Piccadilly May 9, 2018 7:30 PM BST
Epsom Derby. Is that better?
Report Whippin Piccadilly May 9, 2018 7:44 PM BST
Saxon Warrior, a winner of a substandard 2000gns? I'll take my chance. Cheers.
Report Johnny_Mustang May 9, 2018 7:57 PM BST
A little early perhaps to call it sub standard . What is not in doubt is that Saxon Warrior was bred to be brilliant over further than a mile. That he disposed of specialist milers over their optimum distance was sensational.
Report chavman May 9, 2018 10:03 PM BST
saxon warrior at 4/5-not for me,cant see what all the fuss is about.
Report differentdrum May 14, 2018 2:39 PM BST
Saxon Warrior probably did hit the front sooner than ideal but even giving him another length it is debatable just how good that performance actually was. A massive outsider chased him home, the third's best performance is difficult to access and the fourth is so far more about potential than actual ability. It could easily have been a fairly average Guineas.

As for the stamina. The full sister and the dam didn't show a great deal beyond a mile. You have to go back in the pedigree to find the likes of Dancing Rain.

If they were really confident about Saxon Warrior why run three other horses who have all been (well) beaten in their trials? None are obvious pacemakers and would they want a fast pace in any case? Probably not.

I can see why people with big prices are getting excited but is any confidence based on the horse himself, or the seemingly threadbare opposition?

I can't see why anyone would want to back him at the current price.
Report gutfeeling May 14, 2018 3:21 PM BST
The unbeaten G1 Racing Post Trophy and G2 Beresford winner won the 2000 Guineas despite not looking fully wound up with a jockey who went for home a bit early in my opinion which I put down to his inexperience beating horses who had the benefit of a run on their side plus a few look like out and out milers who'd do well to not think about tackling SW at trips in excess of 1m 2f as his stamina influences say he'd only beat them even further if they met again.

His sire Deep Impact won the Triple Crown in Japan with one of those a 2m contest which gives us little fears on the stamina side so for me Saxon Warrior just achieved the hardest part of the Classic sequence. The speed he showed in putting the Guineas to bed comes from his dam the former European champion juvenile filly Maybe and her dam Sumora who was fast enough to win a fiver furlong listed contest herself so he's inherited a finishing kick which will make winning at trips above a mile simpler imo as he can steal a couple of lengths before outstaying the opposition.

His pedigree is so full of talent it's frightening with lines to Galileo, Dr Devious, Promise to be true, Dancing Rain, as for thinking he may not win a Derby you must be hoping something comes out of the woodwork during the next couple of weeks as imo nothing from any of the trials looks likely to trouble Saxon warrior who has stamina & speed in abundance, If anything beats him it'll be the course but he looked well balanced enough going into the dip at Newmarket for me to not see tattenham corner being a major concern as even if he doesn't handle it if he's within a few lengths of anything currently entered at the furlong pole they'll only be one outcome.

It's not about prices at this stage for me it's about possibly seeing the first triple crown winner since Nijinsky for me and that's reason enough to get excited about him.
Report impossible123 May 14, 2018 5:58 PM BST
I think Saxon Warrior has a better chance than Australia who won the Epsom Derby. If one fancies Saxon Warrior to do the business here I think a better betting proposition would be The St Leger where 3/1 is still available as he is a near certainty to go for the Triple Crown unless he just lasted home here.
Report gutfeeling May 14, 2018 6:27 PM BST
Not a bad idea, Maybe the Arc price at 8/1 too as if he wins the derby he'd go pretty short for that plus the 3yo allowance would mean he'd be getting 8lbs from Cracksman..Although I also think defoe could be a good ew shout for that race at this stage with 25's freely available.

Good luck impossible
Report impossible123 May 14, 2018 6:59 PM BST
Saxon Warrior could be pitched in the Arc if he wins the Epsom Derby especially if Enable and Cracksman are absentees despite it is only 3 weeks between the St Leger and Arc. But, AOB is not known for running his top 3yr old in the Arc, only 4yr old and above eg Found, Order Of St George and Highland Reel.

Good luck to you too, 'gutfeeling'.
Report Janthefish May 14, 2018 7:28 PM BST
Why call it the Epsom Derby? It was still called 'The Derby' when run at Newmarket, it's like calling 'The Open' the English Open- all are imitations.
Report Janthefish May 14, 2018 7:29 PM BST
calling it the English Open is also an insult to Scotland.
Report impossible123 May 14, 2018 8:01 PM BST
Just not to be confused with the Irish Derby, nothing pc about it, I can assured you.
Report themightymac May 15, 2018 1:02 AM BST
Janthefish - I think calling The Open, the English Open would indeed be an insult to Scotland. After all the Scots did invent the game and established The Open Championship. It's also The Derby and always will be.
Report impossible123 May 15, 2018 10:03 AM BST
Saxon Warrior will win The Derby. He's sheer class, and head and shoulders above the others as shown in winning the 2000G without a prep run; he's the horse with the most potential too; winning distance a minimum of 2 lengths, I reckon.

Now, who will finish 2nd for a sfc? Masar, to uphold the 2000G form.
Report dunlaying May 15, 2018 1:42 PM BST
To me Haggas didn't appear  keen on Epsom .
Report impossible123 May 15, 2018 3:12 PM BST
Ignore Masar for the Derby, it was a typo error as I was thinking of Wild Illusion. Also, I do not think Masar will run in the Derby given the Irish 2000G engagement is more likely.
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