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chalkie
20 Apr 17 12:42
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Just logged onto my account and found the balance is Zero.Some shirt front apparently transferred 3k last night to sportsbook and placed a bet on some Football game Bet was struck at 11.31pm a time i was in bed fast asleep FFS.
Anyone else ever had something like this because BF not giving much away from 'Looking into it'
Apart from anything else when did Sportsbook accept a 3K bet all i could ever get on was thruppence when i have tried to have a bet.
****g livid
20-Apr-17
02:30:29    New England vs San Jose Earthquakes
New England - Match Result
Betfair Bet ID O/0903919/0000042 | Placed: 19-Apr-17 23:31:02
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Report Cardinal Scott April 21, 2017 12:22 PM BST
If some of you lot are not using 2 Step Authentication....You Should Be...Do It Now!...Do It Today!
Report chalkie April 21, 2017 12:28 PM BST
Absolutely 100% candid Willie.
Not had a great week and lost what i had made in the last 2 weeks.I, like everyone else, is as sick as a parrot when losing, whether previous winnings or not and only have myself to blame(not a jockey,trainer etc as i made the decision to back a horse based on my own opinions. But a bit different if some **** else loses the money for me and in a tin pot football game as well.
I have had 5 football bets in the last 3 months all involving Leicester Man City and ROI and all on the exchange. For 2 reasons basically 1 better odds and 2 sportsbook would not have taken the amounts going on past attempts.
Not been on any outside wifi as far as i know as use mobile data if i do have a bet when out and use fingerprint entry if that makes any difference.
No one else uses computer or has access and obviously trawled through it yesterday to see if anything untoward.
Flicked an email off to BF this morning asking for an update but nish as yet.
Anyone want to lay Raheen Prince for a decent amount lol
Report ProSniper April 21, 2017 12:40 PM BST
Good point, Baron. For many of those little hacking freaks, the enjoyment comes from the "challenge" of breaching security.
Report craigie69 April 21, 2017 12:44 PM BST
without trying to make light of it chalkie as had simialr but not that amount, would sportsbook have honoured had it won or said as account hacked bet voided? some hackers i assume get there thrill in just hacking cus they can
Report chalkie April 21, 2017 1:37 PM BST
No probs Craig no good being too bitter just causes more stress lol
Probably wouldn't have paid out giving some bullshit reason. PP in a post today refusing to pay out after the fact
Report craigie69 April 21, 2017 1:40 PM BST
yes saw that one too, funny his barca bet £3000+  took and £7000 not as limit on his account £4000 funny that, if barca had won would it of been £3000 so didnt have to pay out both?
Report pablo-fanque April 21, 2017 1:59 PM BST
they should still take £4000 of the £7000 , and cancel the remaining £3000 imo
Report Magic__Daps April 21, 2017 2:35 PM BST
Pablo - maybe if all to be correct, BUT they should still have informed the punter before the event.



Be interested to see how this thread ends up.
Report Rob_The_Bantam April 21, 2017 3:19 PM BST
they should still take £4000 of the £7000 , and cancel the remaining £3000 imo

Wasn't this a duplicate account that the punter created?  He's limited to peanuts on his first account so thought he'd open another to double dip?  Or have I got the wrong story?
Report Fashion Fever April 21, 2017 3:19 PM BST
a few years ago I ago logged into plentyoffish on a bus noticed a guy sat behind diagonally taking particular interest logging in, next day my profile had been changed to gay and all messages been sent out from my account and was receiving all these messages from gay guys

just glad I didn't log into betfair
Report pablo-fanque April 21, 2017 3:24 PM BST
rob , if that's the case then fair enough. but I thought it says that his limit is £4000
Report Deltâ April 21, 2017 3:27 PM BST
I always assumed you were gay Mark!
Report michael59 April 21, 2017 3:28 PM BST
Fashion Fever, and your sphincters never recovered eh LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Gin April 21, 2017 3:53 PM BST
I know its already been said many times but everybody should use 2FA - It might seem like it's going to be a pain in the arris but it isn't. As mentioned previously, you can set it up so that it only asks you when you sign in on a different device (unless you use Gruss or other software which requires it every time - I use Gruss and am used to doing it now).
Report Willie Shafter. April 21, 2017 4:03 PM BST
Fashion Fever    21 Apr 17 15:19 
a few years ago I ago logged into Grindr on a bus noticed a guy sat behind diagonally taking particular interest logging in, next day my profile had been changed to gay and all messages been sent out from my account and was receiving all these messages from gay guys

just glad I didn't log into betfair
Report s.kenbo April 21, 2017 4:06 PM BST
Fashion Fever. Laugh
Report Fashion Fever April 21, 2017 4:06 PM BST
hi Steve did it happen to you to
Report Willie Shafter. April 21, 2017 5:32 PM BST
not on Grindr no.
Report brassneck April 21, 2017 6:21 PM BST
I was sitting at my computer on day and the cat jumped up on to the computer and walked across the keyboards and had 200 on Frankie to win the last at newmarket,he took a price of 8.5 ,but the sad news is that the horse was last but the cat took the loss well after he recovered from a hard boot up the arse.Laugh
Report trimmer April 21, 2017 8:11 PM BST
Chalkie.
Happened to me about 8 years ago(nearly a grand).
Went to bed,and in the morning someone had backed
some foreign big odds on football team,that got beat.

Betfair security investigated,and new it was not my bet,
as i do not bet football,or odds on.

They blamed my lack of security on my computer,and would
not recompense me.
Report chalkie April 22, 2017 8:18 AM BST
Hi Trim,
I fear that is the Bollocks i will get from them unfortunately. But i have scoured my Computer and all Security(more than just the basic stuff) is good and appears not to have been attacked.I still believe it is their end and someone knows all about it. Still heard nish apart from reply to yesterdays update request which yielded a 'I can assure you that the Security Dept is looking into it' after laughing their bollocks off and throwing paper airplanes across the office at each other.
If they don't refund my money i think it makes them just as bad as the Shirt Front(s) who are responsible and just as complicit.
I don't know if there are other options available if they do not sort out rightfully.
Report vidou April 22, 2017 8:39 AM BST
chalkie you are a victim of fraud if everything you say is correct, like you say Betfair don't give a sh!t and are probably compiling their 'we have investigated your complaint and have found diddleysquat at our end so please p!ss off and forget about the whole thing' email to you. So complain to IBAS, complain to Trading Standards and most of all complain to the Police ... it is a crime after all and they do have to take any accusation seriously and they are getting their ar$es into gear regarding cyber crime.
Report chavman April 22, 2017 8:40 AM BST
ive only skimmed through this and im no supersleuth but logic would lead me to-shouldnt betfair be looking at who matched the bet for 3k
Report posy April 22, 2017 8:41 AM BST
Take it to the small claims court;they'll likely offer you compensation to drop the case
Report hardestgame April 22, 2017 8:41 AM BST
bet placed with sportsbook
they DO NOT take that sort of money
ive just tried to place a fiver with them and got 50 PENCE
ITS their end at fault. so dont give up chalkie
not every one is honest
Report chavman April 22, 2017 8:42 AM BST
surely thats how the money was siphoned
Report chavman April 22, 2017 8:43 AM BST
*my mistake -sportsbookBlushBlush
Report s.kenbo April 22, 2017 8:49 AM BST
I agree with Vidou about mentioning it to the police.

Betfair obviously know it wasn't you who placed the bet. But I wonder if they think you had some underhand role in it?

Good luck. I think it will be a disgrace if you don't get reimbursed.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves April 22, 2017 8:55 AM BST
The more you look at this, the more you think that only someone within or with access to the Paddy Power/Betfair Sportsbook could be responsible.

I don't know whether there was some sort of glitch, whereby a lot of different log-ins got temporarily diverted to your account, and one of them happened to belong to a really heavy loser who was allowed whatever he liked on the Sportsbook; or whether someone was testing the water for a plan to get huge bets automatically accepted on restricted accounts.

But everything points to an inside job, accidental or deliberate.

If you're telling the truth about your bets being restricted to £0.00 on the Sportsbook like most of us (or close to £0.00), then your account should provide evidence that some internal fraud or blunder was going on here.

God knows who you take your case to though.
Report vidou April 22, 2017 9:01 AM BST
screaming I was just about to post something similar - inside job, they have access and also the knowledge to bypass Sportsbook limits, we all know they would never have accepted the bet under normal circumstances, plus it may not be an isolated incident. Looks like one for Plod
Report s.kenbo April 22, 2017 9:07 AM BST
IF it was an inside job, then it would be a pretty good scam if they could get £3k of somebody else's money on a 4/5 shot, and then get the winnings out without the account holder knowing (and any trace of the bet ever taking place). Obviously a losing bet fooks this up.
Report vidou April 22, 2017 9:12 AM BST
Could be a nice little earner for someone with all the access and knowledge
Report screaming from beneaththewaves April 22, 2017 9:16 AM BST
S.kenbo: You wouldn't choose a 4/5 shot for that sort of plan though. You'd be looking at a 1/5 or 1/50 certainty.

Or at least I would. Scammers can be greedy (or stupid).
Report EVILROYSLADE April 22, 2017 9:18 AM BST
This could sound the death knell for Betfair. How can anyone retain a balance with any confidence if the security system is open to such abuse? I have now installed the two step authentication, hoping it may increase the security level massively.It is as easy to install and use as I was advised earlier on in this thread. I also would ask Betfair to speed up the withdrawal facility. Get rid of this "reversal" nonsense! If I want to withdraw funds, I expect Betfair to respect my wishes immediately! Not leave it there just in case I change my mind. Being able to withdraw and deposit at end of trading, without delay , would certainly reduce the risk of someone infesting our accounts!
Report s.kenbo April 22, 2017 9:22 AM BST
I thought exactly the same, Screaming. But (and this is a big but) perhaps you'd start off that way, then push the prices for a bigger return. You may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb!
Report hardestgame April 22, 2017 9:57 AM BST
you should now tell b/f you are going to the police and someone has committed fraud
then they might find out WHO
Report ged April 22, 2017 10:39 AM BST
If 'they' hacked one account, they could just as well have hacked two, and so had the other side of the bet as well, with a guaranteed 'win' at close to Evens.
Report s.kenbo April 22, 2017 10:46 AM BST
It was Sportsbook, Ged!
Report big aitch April 22, 2017 10:58 AM BST
wherever there is a company that has a high turnover you will find a corrupt member of staff somewhere in any industry, many bookies have been stolen from over the years.
Report dave1357 April 22, 2017 10:58 AM BST
EVILROYSLADE • April 22, 2017 9:18 AM BST
This could sound the death knell for Betfair. How can anyone retain a balance with any confidence if the security system is open to such abuse?


The overwhelmingly likely explanation is that OP has had his username and password exposed, so that his hardly an abuse of the security system, in fact the system has worked exactly as intended.
Report ged April 22, 2017 11:08 AM BST
kenbo - I meant in terms of position, not physical transaction.
Report s.kenbo April 22, 2017 11:12 AM BST
I see what you mean. That would definitely leave one account at a loss, ruling out my theory of trying to go undetected.
Report chalkie April 22, 2017 11:27 AM BST
Thanks for all the encouragement lads and live in hope.
Dave I am not the most techno minded but with security on a computer nowadays, how would someone be able to get my BF password etc.Without some form of record showing on the system security
No one and i mean absolutely no one(physically anyway) has been told or seen my login details for any of my betting accounts and if I had been 'Hacked' there is more in other accounts than was in BF as well as the non betting accounts bank etc
I totally agree with most that Sportsbook will not accept a £3k bet anyway so someone inside or other must have facilitated it anyway and therefore their security systems have been compromised at some point whether physically by a person(s) or by Hacking of some sort.
If i don't get any joy i will report it and hope they will investigate more but no doubt they have bigger fish to fry than my £3k complaint.
Not sure how the small claims court route would go Posy I thought gambling problems etc were not enforceable unless i could actually prove there was something amiss or someone was negligent
Once again Thanks for all the imput me duckys
Report vidou April 22, 2017 11:37 AM BST
chalkie you probably need evidence which you don't have for the SCC - report to Plod, its a sizable sum of money and its fraud.
Keep us posted anyway - be interested to see how this one goes...
Report trimmer April 22, 2017 11:43 AM BST
Hi Chalkie,

Betfair told me my security was poor on
my computer(which at that time was true,but
they could not have known that).

My argument with them,was their site was supposed
to be secure,so my money should have been.
Report spyker April 22, 2017 11:58 AM BST
The overwhelmingly likely explanation is that OP has had his username and password exposed, so that his hardly an abuse of the security system, in fact the system has worked exactly as intended.

I could have sworn somebody said that a page or 2 back and provided a link for people to read to explain how lax security is when using the internet in public esp over public wifi networks where all passwords can easily be stolen!
Report dave1357 April 22, 2017 12:02 PM BST
@chalkie You posted the logons from IP addresses that you claimed were nothing to do with you.  So someone other than you appears to have accessed the account. 

It would be an extraordinary security oversight if Betfair staff could access passwords (although they would be able to activate password resets, but that hasn't happened here).

Is your username/password combo used anywhere else?  Or similar to that used anywhere else?

If the logons weren't there, a system error of some kind would be hugely likely to be the answer, but with the logons unauthorised access is the most likely.

No online betting firm will entertain claims from hacked accounts as people often claim that the account was hacked when they lose money.  In your favour, if the bet was one that wouldn't normally be accepted then that does look very suspicious.
Report EVILROYSLADE April 22, 2017 12:08 PM BST
Dave.... I am at a loss as to how "The system has worked exactly as intended"?  If the system works, then one would expect Betfair to have drawn Chalkie's attention to the theft surely?
Report dave1357 April 22, 2017 12:17 PM BST
The "system" is meant to allow access to an account if the correct username and password is entered. That appears to have happened from the logon info provided.

How exactly would Betfair have been aware of the "theft"?
Report EVILROYSLADE April 22, 2017 12:31 PM BST
Dave...... I see your point of course. I also have to take Chalkie's word that nobody was aware of his login details. I can therefore only draw one conclusion. The whole set up is unsafe. On a personal note, I am going to contact Betfair and ask for withdrawals not to be held back waiting for someone to change their minds( reversals). I can therefore empty my OWN account at close of trading, and deposit back next day.
Report Shrews April 22, 2017 12:53 PM BST
100% this must be reported to the police so they can investigate any possible dodgy employees at Betfair HQ. They will carry out investigation on all transactions (lets face it, if the person has hacked 3k then they've probably done it a few times). A background check on employees, followed by analysing activity on any likely suspects won't even be that time consuming for them.

They will not brush this off. 3k is three THOUSAND pounds!

Good luck with it, but don't hesitate to contact the police.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves April 22, 2017 1:35 PM BST
With respect, dave1357, nobody's disputing that the account has been accesses/hacked or whatever, even if we don't know for certain the precise route. We can all imagine rough details of how it might have happened in the circumstances.

It's the fact that the account was accessed in order to play on the Sportsbook rather than the exchange which constitutes the first mystery. It's really hard to imagine a plausible benefit, other than someone doing it for kicks. But even that doesn't explain how the bet in question turned out to be one that would be denied to virtually anyone, never mind this particular account holder.
Report Magic__Daps April 22, 2017 1:36 PM BST
The system has worked exactly as intended


How has a bet of 3 grand on the Sportsbook even been placed (taken), when it is common knowledge they lay pennies if you are lucky, and the OP has said he is restricted as well by them? That is the question I would like to see BF answer. That is all part of their system - restricting automatically. To me, if everything is as stated it has to be some inside job imo.
Report ard54 April 22, 2017 1:36 PM BST
To clarify the point about gambling debts, the Gambling Act 2005 at

Section 335

Enforceability of gambling contracts

(1)
The fact that a contract relates to gambling shall not prevent its enforcement.

This has been in force since 2007.

See http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2005/19/section/335


The key point about this issue is that even if chalkie did log in from four different systems using the correct password/username the Sportsbook would have rejected an attempt to place 3k. Anyone else using the pw/un would also have had no luck placing. It is reasonable to suspect a BF system error or fraud committed within BF.

If BF investigate and determine it's an error they must reimburse. If they conclude it's not an error they must concede, given the expectation 3k would be blocked on a legitimate login, that fraud is a possibility.

Email BF and state that they have 48 hours to decide on reason - system error / internal fraud or you will report to police. It's easy enough to do. Report it to a police station in the area where BF has it's registered office and then file a claim for the 3k using Money Claim Online the government service -

https://www.gov.uk/make-money-claim-online

For 3k the fee is £150 but they will have to pay it if you win. Best part is they MUST respond and state their defence or you get default judgment against them. It's a good way to make them address the issue when they would be happier not to.
Report dustybin April 22, 2017 1:44 PM BST
Transparency or lack of has always been an issue.
Ive often wondered for eg how do we know whos bet was 'in' first?
Report dustybin April 22, 2017 1:45 PM BST
That being a rhetorical qustion and has little to do with the case in point, just surmising
Report screaming from beneaththewaves April 22, 2017 1:50 PM BST
It's a decade since the "front-running" scandal on here.

What really made it a scandal was the fact that the punter affected was only compensated in return for a non-disclosure agreement.
Report dave1357 April 22, 2017 1:59 PM BST
screaming from beneaththewaves  Magic__Daps

I have already agreed with the sportsbook bet point.

dave1357 • April 22, 2017 12:02 PM BST ......In your favour, if the bet was one that wouldn't normally be accepted then that does look very suspicious.
Report dustybin April 22, 2017 2:01 PM BST
Whenever you phone customer services they have access to your account on username only.
How limited is this access?
Report Trident April 22, 2017 2:05 PM BST
Everyone has enabled two step authentication on their Betfair account right? Well I hope they are. Also lock down all your email accounts with two step authentication ASAP.
Report Graeme83 April 22, 2017 2:09 PM BST
Conduct your own investigation into how Sportsbook accepted a 3k bet. I'd want to know if they can provide other examples of another 3k bet being accepted recently. For people being targeted on the exchange, i'd be wondering if the person who raids your account and places the bet, is it the same person who is laying you the bet or taking your lay ?
Report Trident April 22, 2017 2:10 PM BST
Everyone reading this thread. Spend half an hour setting up two step authentication for every website/app/email you have. It gives you a fighting chance against hackers. And make you passwords as random as possible.
Report Trident April 22, 2017 2:13 PM BST
I actually think its the responsibility of any exchange/bookmaker to offer two step authentication to every customer. If they don't I consider it bad practice.
Report Willie Shafter. April 22, 2017 2:14 PM BST
ive been on bf actively for 12yrs and dont know anyone whos encountered a situation like this.
Report skygreenzone April 22, 2017 2:15 PM BST
Admit it you were p1ssed and chased losses it makes no sense to me cause if the bet won how does anyone profit apart from you.
Report Willie Shafter. April 22, 2017 2:18 PM BST
sky...

how do you explain the 4 diff ip logins inside an hour and the acceptance of a 3k bet...(if the story is factual)
Report dave1357 April 22, 2017 2:18 PM BST
@skygreenzone the scam might work by moving part of the winnings to another account and leave the hacked account with a small profit.  They bank on the hacked account not reporting for fear of losing a lot of money.
Report posy April 22, 2017 2:26 PM BST
It's the different ip numbers that clinch this in my view....following ard 54's suggestion must be the way forward.
Report dustybin April 22, 2017 2:32 PM BST
'If' it transpired that there was a breach of security and 'if' it was the result of somebody inside then two stage verification would neither be required to get in, nor help you stay safe.
Report ProSniper April 22, 2017 2:38 PM BST
"how do you explain the 4 diff ip logins inside an hour and the acceptance of a 3k bet." tbf we can only take chalkie's word that he didn't authorize the login. If it wins..it's **** you, pay up. If it loses..it's my account was "hacked", pay me back..
Report Willie Shafter. April 22, 2017 2:47 PM BST
concur..but he says otherwise Wink
Report Magic__Daps April 22, 2017 2:48 PM BST
If chalkie gave anyone his username/password they still would NOT get a 3k bet accepted by the Betfair Sportsbook. That is an absolute certainty
Report Willie Shafter. April 22, 2017 3:06 PM BST
i concur entirely daps...very strange.

what if he's a big loser on there?
Report Magic__Daps April 22, 2017 3:18 PM BST
The OP has said he is restricted with the Sportsbook, if we are taking him at his word the bet wouldn't get taken. Considering I do not know a single person who can get anything on to take more than £50 out on a single bet with them, so I will believe the OP.
Report stewarty b April 22, 2017 6:23 PM BST
If the OP was being untruthful this thread would have been pulled a good while back.
Report chalkie April 22, 2017 7:19 PM BST
Greenzone your opinion is noted lol and i am a loser overall on Betfair (like most of us) but i have been using it since before it became betfair so it would come as no surprise that i am. Over the last 17 years (up until Feb 14th when i came back off hols) i have lost approx £47k on Betfair and other exchanges and if indeed i did not have a big win last April it would be over £113k.
Since last April i have made a determined effort to keep my total of bets to a minimum, albeit to higher stakes, by being more selective.It has worked to a certain degree and even when the remaining Bookies accounts i have are taken into consideration i was still down to the tune of approx £38k. I am however over £10k up(less the £3k in question) since Feb.
The overall figure is not too bad when i take into account the immense enjoyment i get out of Racing in general and of course gambling.
Like i have said before i am as pissed off as anyone when i back a loser(or lay a winner) but it is my decision and i accept it but when some **** else does it then i am more than pissed off and although i am not looking for sympathy with my plight the empathy that has been shown by most is both enlightening and encouraging, so your facetious and conspiracy theorised comment will be treated with the contempt it deserves.
Report SPOT THE DOG April 22, 2017 7:28 PM BST
High Roller has Account milked, where have i heard that befor
Report s.kenbo April 22, 2017 7:31 PM BST
You've handled yourself with dignity throughout this thread, Chalkie.

Listen to the puppy dog. He's lost somewhere around £60 a week over nearly two decades.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves April 22, 2017 7:40 PM BST
Frightening, isn't it? He'll have been paying well over £60/week in commission. That's only about £8 or £9 a day,

He's probably a six-figure winner on the exchange, yet thanks to the commission he's nearly 50 grand down.

As I said, frightening.

And people wonder where the liquidity's gone.
Report s.kenbo April 22, 2017 7:42 PM BST
Ignorance is bliss imo!
Report skygreenzone April 22, 2017 7:48 PM BST
So you've lost all this money yet your restricted chalkie betfair sportsbook must be looking after you then eh?
Report screaming from beneaththewaves April 22, 2017 7:52 PM BST
If he's only £47,000 down in over 15 years, then he's a major winner on the exchange - one of the shrewdest of the shrewd.

The reason he's down is because of the stratospheric commission rate. He'll have paid well over a hundred grand in commission in that time.
Report skygreenzone April 22, 2017 7:58 PM BST
Wow then i must be a genius then when it comes to gambling i've lost about 2 grand since 09 on here but i believe i can make a profit overall if i didn't i would pack it all in.And in the next 2 years if i'm in the same situation then i will.I rarely bet on horses cause if you think you can win on them you are a mug.
Report Magic__Daps April 22, 2017 7:59 PM BST
I rarely bet on horses cause if you think you can win on them you are a mug.


Ok then..
Report chalkie April 22, 2017 7:59 PM BST
Bob Carolgees Mate
I wouldnt regard myself as being a high roller anyway. I may have £20 on a horse or i may have a bag of sand.(I had a good ew bet today on Sugar Baron @ 16's and 14's and it fell at the bloody first so didn't even get a run lol), it all depends on my opinion.Don't matter what you bet in the end it is the fact some one else has done it that **** me off and whether i could afford to lose it or not is irrelevant. My enjoyment garnered from a hobby by far and away covers the losses over the years i have kept a record.
Being reckless a good few years ago probably stopped me making a profit but he ho i am sure there are many who have lost a lot more and for less enjoyment.
Report chalkie April 22, 2017 8:06 PM BST
Commission rates are irrelevant as it is a means to an end if you are getting better prices than down the bookies or on line and most won't lay a decent bet. If i could have got on with Bookies the prices would be lower and yes i may not have lost so much depending on the price of the winners i had backed but for convenience etc BF is still tops in my book excuse the pun lol
Report chalkie April 22, 2017 8:08 PM BST
Don't use Sportsbook because as previously stated they won't lay anything for more than a few quid.
I think i had 3 winning bets of about £300 years ago and it has been the offer of 50p ew or alike ever since
Report chalkie April 22, 2017 8:15 PM BST
It has always been my goal to claw back the losses but you have to be realistic and unless you are very dedicated and have strong will power(i have not got either in abundance) you will probably end up losing.
I am comfortable with my losses over the years so i will carry on until i am not...........i think
Report chalkie April 22, 2017 8:21 PM BST
Strangely enough now i think about it you all on here, are now the only ones who know what i do on here, gambling etc.
Yes people know that i have a bet but i don't talk about the extent and figures with anyone.
FFS just shows what this situation has done lol
Good night all and cheers me dears
Report skygreenzone April 22, 2017 8:31 PM BST
Goodnight chalkie good luck in the future  mate.
Report ProSniper April 22, 2017 8:39 PM BST
GL chalkie. Make your next flanker more watertight..
Report Graeme83 April 22, 2017 8:50 PM BST
Best of wishes chuckie. Fight the fight.
Report Ashmal April 22, 2017 11:27 PM BST
I read this thread with interest, as about 6 months ago, I also had my account emptied. (by somebody other than myself for a change!)

My balance at the time was around £150 and whoever got into my account, did it late at night and placed the whole balance on a losing bet on a USA soccer game. (just like this case)

I got onto Betfair, expecting them not to want to know, but they accepted that the bet was outside of my normal type of bets (don't think I'd ever bet on a US soccer game) and did investigate. They found that the IP address used to place the bet was in another country and accepted it was not me who had done it. They closed my account and opened me a new one and credited it with the full losses.

I'm quite computer savvy and I know my PC was not infected with any malware likely to have allowed the login details to be stolen. If somebody had got keylogging software onto my computer, why was it only the Betfair account they got into. I am fairly sure my problems came from my VIRGIN MEDIA email, which in Sept 2015 was subject to a security breach (along with hundreds of others) when all my email history was lost to people who started to send spoofed spam to anybody who had ever sent or received an email from me in the previous 10+ years. Prior to the Betfair issue, there had been 2 or 3 other attempts at fraud, using logins that used the 'stolen' Virgin Media email address as the username. That email address was the one for my Betfair account!

Question for Chalkie. Don't suppose you have a Virgin Media email address by any chance?
Report Willie Shafter. April 23, 2017 12:09 AM BST
by whatever means non explain 4 different ip logins in an hour.
Report Magic__Daps April 23, 2017 8:50 AM BST
Plus a 3k bet being taken with the Sportsbook cannot be explained
Report chalkie April 23, 2017 10:11 AM BST
Thanks for info Ash
Broadband and phone are EE with dedicated email address through 1&1
Report Willie Shafter. April 23, 2017 11:12 AM BST
what was the score?
Report chalkie April 23, 2017 12:05 PM BST
**** knows don't know how to find it. Be like looking for a Sunday morning Park result over here lol
Report dave1357 April 23, 2017 12:09 PM BST
0-0

http://www.flashscores.co.uk/football/usa/mls/
Report casemoney April 23, 2017 1:41 PM BST
Any Update from BF  Chalkie ? Would be Interested to see what they Say about your Max Bet being increased on the 1 occasion some Lunatic logged into your Account ,Never Mind that the account was hacked Plain
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