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Da Special 1
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Just wondering how many different "alias accounts" people have who have been restricted by bookmakers? Also how long these new accounts tend to last?
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Report patrick starr February 18, 2013 6:32 PM GMT
I don't think so, and if you thought so, it's easily removable.

care to explain this EASY removal method please,also,how to prevent it returning...
Report WFT February 18, 2013 6:50 PM GMT
care to explain this EASY removal method please,also,how to prevent it returning...

The simplest way would seem be to uninstall flash player, or changing your ip address.

I'm no expert, but if you google it, there's plenty out there telling you how.
Report WFT February 18, 2013 7:02 PM GMT
This link....

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/48/computer-technical-help/removing-iesnare-your-system-994744/

identifies sites that use iesnare, and tells you how to get rid of it.

A number of well known bookmakers are listed, but the only one that might be using iesnare to fool customers is Ladbrokes, given that I've not had problems opening accounts with the others.

Therefore, you should get rid of it before opening any new accounts.
Report slickster February 18, 2013 7:06 PM GMT
Why do you all have "accounts"?
Report patrick starr February 18, 2013 7:22 PM GMT
I'm no expert

Thats the only bit of truth in your response tbh,your answer to easily removing it appears to be "google it",brilliant,did you think of that yourself?

ffs,dont you just love it when someone claims to be oh so knowledgable yet havent got a clue in reality.

This was an idiots guide posted last year,i needed to save it as i am an idiot,but at least i do know that im an idiot and dont pretend otherwise.

Anyway,for those that really want to know,this was posted just over a year ago by kelly brook,many thanks.


Kelly Brook 14 Feb 12 20:59 Joined: 03 Sep 07 | Topic/replies: 716 | Blogger: Kelly Brook's blog
Iesnare is far more robust than a regular cookie , heres a guide on how to deal with it . Been posted previously , cant remember by whom :

this is a dummies guide to blocking iesnare, etc on your computer. i have gathered info from different posts in this thread but most of it came from ODEED, THX TO HIM FOR HELPING ME GET IT WORKING...some of below are his words to me to get it going, hope he doesnt mind!

i did this because im one of the dummys and ill probably have to do it again in future so dont want to forget!

to check if iesnare is on your computer...You can find it by opening up a command prompt(start ->
all programs->accessories->command prompt) then typing..... dir mp*.com /s if its there you will see the date it was installed on your computer!

if its there and you want to block it this is how..

Click the Start button, click notepad or enter notepad in the bar at the bottom
Right-click on the Notepad item which appears at the top of the list

Choose "Run as administrator"...thats your user password, make sure you are logged on as administrator as it wont work otherwise!

in "untitled - notepad" go to file and click open, then under "files of type" click all files

enter "C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc" in file name and click open right click on "hosts" file (make sure it only says hosts, not hosts.bak or hosts.txt), select

properties and uncheck read-only box at bottom beside attributes click apply then ok
then double click "hosts" again
Add the following lines in the next line below where it says "127.0.0.1 localhost"

127.0.0.1 iesnare.com
127.0.0.1 iesnare.co.uk
127.0.0.1 www.iesnare.co.uk
127.0.0.1 mpsnare.iesnare.com
127.0.0.1 mpsnare.iesnare.co.uk
127.0.0.1 www.mpsnare.iesnare.com
127.0.0.1 www.mpsnare.iesnare.co.uk
127.0.0.1 ci-mpsnare.iesnare.com
127.0.0.1 ci-mpsnare.iesnare.co.uk
127.0.0.1 www.ci-mpsnare.iesnare.com
127.0.0.1 www.ci-mpsnare.iesnare.co.uk
127.0.0.1 admin.iesnare.co.uk
127.0.0.1 www.admin.iesnare.com
127.0.0.1 www.admin.iesnare.co.uk
127.0.0.1 iovation.com
127.0.0.1 iovation.co.uk
127.0.0.1 www.iovation.com
127.0.0.1 www.iovation.co.uk
127.0.0.1 www.iesnare.com
127.0.0.1 admin.iesnare.com
127.0.0.1 dra.iesnare.com
127.0.0.1 impsnare.iesnare.com
127.0.0.1 mpsnare.iesnare.com
127.0.0.1 mx.iesnare.com
127.0.0.1 snare.iesnare.com
127.0.0.1 iovation.com
127.0.0.1 accountlock-demo.iovation.com
127.0.0.1 admin.iovation.com
127.0.0.1 bam-pilot.iovation.com
127.0.0.1 batch.iovation.com
127.0.0.1 ci-accountlock.iovation.com
127.0.0.1 ci-admin.iovation.com
127.0.0.1 ci-mpsnare.iovation.com
127.0.0.1 ci-snare.iovation.com
127.0.0.1 dv-fw-a-nat.iovation.com
127.0.0.1 ioit.iovation.com
127.0.0.1 mx.iovation.com
127.0.0.1 p.iovation.com
127.0.0.1 rm-admin-demo.iovation.com
127.0.0.1 soap.iovation.com
127.0.0.1 test.iovation.com
127.0.0.1 testgw.iovation.com

hold ctrl + s to save, then exit (it should not ask to save)

then open the command prompt (start -> all programs->accessories->command prompt)and check that it is working by entering...type in the word "ping" followed by any of the entries (without the numbers)..e.g ping mpsnare.iesnare.com..press enter

your looking to see similar to this:

Pinging mpsnare.iesnare.com [127.0.0.1] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time

Now, whenever IESnare attempts to phone home, your networking system will give it the wrong address (127.0.0.1 is always the address of your own computer), and
its messages won't get through. You can check this has worked by trying to go to www.iesnare.com in your web browser: you shouldn't be able to get there.
Report WFT February 18, 2013 7:29 PM GMT
Thats the only bit of truth in your response tbh,your answer to easily removing it appears to be "google it",brilliant,did you think of that yourself?

ffs,dont you just love it when someone claims to be oh so knowledgable yet havent got a clue in reality.

This was an idiots guide posted last year,i needed to save it as i am an idiot,but at least i do know that im an idiot and dont pretend otherwise.

Anyway,for those that really want to know,this was posted just over a year ago by kelly brook,many thanks.


You seem to have a problem, pal. Why is that ?

I never claimed to be an expert in any of my posts about iesnare, but guess what I googled it, found a site to see how to check for it, and how to get rid of it, and guess what. It worked.
Report patrick starr February 18, 2013 7:34 PM GMT
Stupidity dressed up as arrogance annoys me thats all.

Anyway,i hope i have managed to offer someone some practical,workable advice to readers amongst the sea of sh1te posted here,bye.
Report WFT February 18, 2013 7:46 PM GMT
Stupidity dressed up as arrogance annoys me thats all.

Anyway,i hope i have managed to offer someone some practical,workable advice to readers amongst the sea of sh1te posted here,bye.


I'm afraid the only person showing any kind of arrogance is you, my friend. You cut and pasted something from an old thread, and you think you've gone out of your way to be helpful ? What makes you think your "advice" is any more relevant than what I give ?

As I Said, the only arrogance shown on this thread is from yourself, matey.
Report patrick starr February 18, 2013 7:48 PM GMT
ok fair enough,crossed wires on my part,be lucky.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves February 18, 2013 10:55 PM GMT
If I owned a betting site, customers who disable iesnare would be the first ones I'd bar.
Report WFT February 18, 2013 10:57 PM GMT
If I owned a betting site, customers who disable iesnare would be the first ones I'd bar.

and how would they know ?
Report screaming from beneaththewaves February 18, 2013 11:04 PM GMT
How would the customers know they'd been barred?Confused
Report WFT February 18, 2013 11:09 PM GMT
How would the customers know they'd been barred?

I'm not with you ?

They usually get an e-mail, or cant log in to their accounts.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves February 18, 2013 11:16 PM GMT
WFT     18 Feb 13 22:57 
If I owned a betting site, customers who disable iesnare would be the first ones I'd bar.

and how would they know ?


You asked, "How would they know?"
How would they know what? That they'd been barred?
Report manxy February 18, 2013 11:19 PM GMT
you can check your I.P address here  at bf, by going to security, and looking at your last 10 log-in I.P.s.

the vast majority of home users are on a dynamic I.P., this 'WILL' change every time you reboot the router.


but its a waste of time unless you can hide your 'MAC' [machine number] address, this is how people banned of here keep gettng caught in alter-ego accounts.

reboot your router [leave off atleast 10 mins] and go into security here to check its changed, get some software to hide your MAC number, and delete ALL browser history.
Report WFT February 18, 2013 11:21 PM GMT
If I owned a betting site, customers who disable iesnare would be the first ones I'd bar.

and how would they know ?

You asked, "How would they know?"
How would they know what? That they'd been barred?


I meant how would the betting site know that their customer had enabled it ?
Report Ell February 18, 2013 11:23 PM GMT
They more likely to recognise your computers network card MAC address.
Every network card has a unique MAC id.

If you're going to set up another account i'd suggest using a different computer.
Report manxy February 18, 2013 11:26 PM GMT
bingo.





manxy
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you can check your I.P address here  at bf, by going to security, and looking at your last 10 log-in I.P.s.

the vast majority of home users are on a dynamic I.P., this 'WILL' change every time you reboot the router.


but its a waste of time unless you can hide your 'MAC' [machine number] address, this is how people banned of here keep gettng caught in alter-ego accounts.

reboot your router [leave off atleast 10 mins] and go into security here to check its changed, get some software to hide your MAC number, and delete ALL browser history.
Report WFT February 18, 2013 11:31 PM GMT
They more likely to recognise your computers network card MAC address.
Every network card has a unique MAC id.

If you're going to set up another account i'd suggest using a different computer.


I didn't think they could see your mac address. Given that I've used the same computer a number of times, I think I'm correct, or they don;t bother checking it. I'm pretty sure they don't see it, though.
Report manxy February 18, 2013 11:33 PM GMT
your wrong, so it doesnt matter what you 'think'.


you have been given the solution, no thanks needed.
Report WFT February 18, 2013 11:36 PM GMT
Leo agrees with me..... and he isn't the only one......

http://ask-leo.com/can_a_mac_address_be_traced.html

No thanks given
Report Ell February 18, 2013 11:38 PM GMT
They can't, but that's where iesnare fits in as it can see this info.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves February 18, 2013 11:38 PM GMT
WFT     18 Feb 13 23:21 
If I owned a betting site, customers who disable iesnare would be the first ones I'd bar.

and how would they know ?

You asked, "How would they know?"
How would they know what? That they'd been barred?


I meant how would the betting site know that their customer had enabled it ?


FFS. I'm talking about the customer disabling iesnare, not enabling it. It's already enabled by the betting website.

The website would immediately know that a customer had disabled iesnare, because it wouldn't be receiving the customer's browsing history, which is the purpose of the cookie.

Ergo, the customer's trying to hide something, which means he's an immediate target of suspicion.
Report manxy February 18, 2013 11:40 PM GMT
well i help administer the  X forum, and i am telling it IS the MAC addie, but you carry on p1ssing into the wind if that makes you happy.
Report WFT February 19, 2013 12:02 AM GMT
Sorry I meant disabled, not enabled.

I see your argument, but as I said earlier, I've used this computer with a number of companies employing iesnare, and with the exception of Ladbrokes, I've had no problems as long as I use a different ip address.

It's hard to believe that Ladbrokes could possibly in at the forefront of new technology ?
Report WFT February 19, 2013 12:07 AM GMT
well i help administer the  X forum, and i am telling it IS the MAC addie, but you carry on p1ssing into the wind if that makes you happy.

If "pissing in the wind" allows me to carry on having multiple accounts, and getting my bets on, then I will indeed carry on.

But, don't let the facts get in your way, Manxy.

Bon soir
Report Ell February 19, 2013 12:17 AM GMT
Are you using multiple accounts at the same time ?
Report askari1 February 19, 2013 1:22 AM GMT
Another way of disabling iesnare is to make the computer-tracking software downloaded onto your computer through Flash Multimedia think that your own machine is the iesnare site.

This is more convenient than uninstalling Flash completely.

You just add a line to the location of your drivers in Notepad. Instructions on how to do so are here: http://www.thegamblingtimes.com/board/day-day-life/10018-iesnare-make-sure-youre-not-being-snooped.html

WFT, this is not at all a new technology. Baldbet were tracking bettors this way over 5 years ago. Do a file search on your computer and see if there is an mpsnare folder probably in your 'C' files. It's likely there is.

Apologies if this replicates advice given earlier and better elsewhere on the thread.
Report WFT February 19, 2013 9:41 AM GMT
Are you using multiple accounts at the same time ?

Yes, as long as you change the ip address. I still keep restricted accounts open, and continue to use them occasionally. Especially if placing a bet closer to the off time when restrictions are lifted, or less punishing.

WFT, this is not at all a new technology. Baldbet were tracking bettors this way over 5 years ago. Do a file search on your computer and see if there is an mpsnare folder probably in your 'C' files. It's likely there is.

Yes it was there, and yet I can log into one account, place a bet, log out, change the ip address, log in to another account, place a bet on the same selection, log out, change back to the original ip address. I've been doing this for quite some time, so I suggest they are not using iesnare on their betting sites. The more I read about it, the more it seems to be used for casino sites ?
Report racingguru February 19, 2013 10:41 AM GMT
Does using a non-flash based browser eliminate the chance of being traced. I presume you'd still need to eliminate these cookies from your machine??
Report ManderlayBay February 19, 2013 11:22 AM GMT
When acccounts are closed down in your / your wife's name though, how do you open a new account re bank information, unless you have a bank account in that false name?

Cheers for any feedback..
Report WFT February 19, 2013 11:43 AM GMT
ManderlayBay

I sent you a message (twice) showing how it's done. It didn't register as a sent message.

Did you get it ?
Report ManderlayBay February 19, 2013 11:50 AM GMT
Got it, many thanks WTF!
Cheers
Report thesecret February 19, 2013 11:50 AM GMT
WFT, any chance of the same message , cheers ...
Report hong kong fooey February 19, 2013 12:51 PM GMT
Could you message me Manderlaybay
Im runnuing out of family Wink
Report racingguru February 19, 2013 8:30 PM GMT
WFT - sent you a private message. If you get a chance really appreciate your thoughts.
Report homefortea February 19, 2013 8:45 PM GMT
Manxy you are talking through your Ballasalla backside..

Most internet users have a FIXED IP address and that is what fooks them in the first instance.

However your MAC id will also be noticed (!)..

It is quite simple.If you are using new accounts use them from a different computer.If you are at home with the COMMON fixed IP address then you will have to use a masking IP address which you may have to pay for...

Otherwise if you are a cheapskate every time you set up new identities then it would be best to find a different wireless area.You will end up drinking a lot of Coffee pissed or well read....
Report manxy February 20, 2013 12:08 AM GMT
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Manxy you are talking through your Ballasalla backside..

Most internet users have a FIXED IP address and that is what fooks them in the first instance.


utter b0llox, 99 percent of domestic I.P. addies are dynamic, businesses have to pay a substantial premium for a static I.P.
Report manxy February 20, 2013 12:16 AM GMT
dynamic I.P.s are why you get dis-connected so many times a day, now most people dont realise exctly how many times a day their connection drops out, unless their gaming etc.

if you have ever played online poker thru a domestic set-up, you would have a clue to how many times a day/hour it happens.
Report manxy February 20, 2013 12:22 AM GMT
easiest way to check whether you have a static or dynamic I.P. right now is click  account/security tab.

heres mine, i rarely re-boot/power-off my router, i did the other afternoon, i switched of the leccy at the mains to change a light-fitting.


    Date     Time     IP Address (Country)     Result
    2013-Feb-19     13:27 GMT     178.16.0.6 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-18     17:58 GMT     178.16.0.6 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-16     19:50 GMT     178.16.0.6 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-16     16:08 GMT     80.65.244.192 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-16     15:22 GMT     80.65.244.192 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-15     13:05 GMT     80.65.244.192 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-14     16:32 GMT     80.65.244.192 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-14     13:32 GMT     80.65.244.192 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-13     14:03 GMT     80.65.244.192 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-13     00:48 GMT     80.65.244.192 (United Kingdom
Report manxy February 20, 2013 12:30 AM GMT
and just for the record.


Methods

Static IP addresses are manually assigned to a computer by an administrator. The exact procedure varies according to platform. This contrasts with dynamic IP addresses, which are assigned either by the computer interface or host software itself, as in Zeroconf, or assigned by a server using Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP). Even though IP addresses assigned using DHCP may stay the same for long periods of time, they can generally change. In some cases, a network administrator may implement dynamically assigned static IP addresses. In this case, a DHCP server is used, but it is specifically configured to always assign the same IP address to a particular computer. This allows static IP addresses to be configured centrally, without having to specifically configure each computer on the network in a manual procedure.

In the absence or failure of static or stateful (DHCP) address configurations, an operating system may assign an IP address to a network interface using state-less auto-configuration methods, such as Zeroconf.
Uses of dynamic addressing

Dynamic IP addresses are most frequently assigned on LANs and broadband networks by Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) servers. They are used because it avoids the administrative burden of assigning specific static addresses to each device on a network. It also allows many devices to share limited address space on a network if only some of them will be online at a particular time. In most current desktop operating systems, dynamic IP configuration is enabled by default so that a user does not need to manually enter any settings to connect to a network with a DHCP server. DHCP is not the only technology used to assign dynamic IP addresses. Dialup and some broadband networks use dynamic address features of the Point-to-Point Protocol.
Report manxy February 20, 2013 12:32 AM GMT
In most current desktop operating systems, dynamic IP configuration is enabled by default so that a user does not need to manually enter any settings to connect to a network with a DHCP server. DHCP is not the only technology used to assign dynamic IP addresses. Dialup and some broadband networks use dynamic address features of the Point-to-Point Protocol.
Report bf_fananatic February 20, 2013 1:24 AM GMT
Considering  a certain betting company cloning agent from over the Irish sea has sold all

the account details of professional backers and layers to Ladbrokes I suspect that the Blacklist will

increase by a huge factor, NAP....
Report bf_fananatic February 20, 2013 1:27 AM GMT
Fear not the mutated industrial public mega leechs as betfair is alive and kicking the competitions ass every dayCool
Report racingguru February 20, 2013 7:02 AM GMT
Its really amazing how many cookies are attached to your computer. As a test I cleared them all including the flash ones. I tried setting the PC to block them - the PC was unusable within secs. You couldn't access anything where you need to log in. I then allowed all cookies (the normal default) and checked after 5 mins of browsing - 138 cookies in 5 mins.
Report duncan idaho February 20, 2013 7:57 AM GMT
2013-Feb-20     07:43 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-19     23:03 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-19     21:05 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-19     15:38 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-19     07:30 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-18     07:45 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-17     19:04 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-17     19:04 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Failed
    2013-Feb-17     15:09 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-16     18:33 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful


mine clearly static and i aint a business Sad
Report northanlite February 20, 2013 8:15 AM GMT
as mentioned above the IP address tracking is a bit of a myth.
Report WFT February 20, 2013 10:17 AM GMT
as mentioned above the IP address tracking is a bit of a myth.

I guess each bookmaker does it differently (if you look at their cookies a lot have one called something like session id), but I know PP check ip addresses. When I changed my ip address to use an alias to bet with them, my account was closed after a couple of weeks. I asked them why and was told that my ip address was indicating I was in the U.S., and I couldn't bet with them because of this. I ensured them I was operating from the UK, but had to send them proof (utility bills, etc). The account operated for a few months and then the same thing happened. I had to get quite shirty with their reps before the account was opened again. I was told that they checked the ip address periodically. obviously it's not automatic. I now use my iphone to bet with them, a different ip address but in the UK.

So ip tracking, with PP at least, is definitely not a myth.

Also, my ip address on my computer never changes, even if I power down, reset the modem, etc, etc, etc. The only thing that changes it, is the ip changing software.

I should add that betfair also checks your ip address. As soon as you use this software, you can't use betfair, because the ip address is based in the UK. Ideally, I would like some software that changed it to another UK address. Anybody knuw any software that does this ?
Report trademark February 20, 2013 12:05 PM GMT
Good thread. WFT - any chance of a private message with regard multiple accounts too? We're all mice in a cat dominated environment..........but theres still plenty of cheese to go round!
Report northanlite February 20, 2013 12:22 PM GMT
Because most IP addresses are dynamic and assigned by your ISP, it would be difficult for anyone to be able to trace an IP to a specific computer and find out information about you. Yes, it can be done, but your common Internet user will not have access to pull that information. Most dynamic IP addresses will be traced to your ISP and not directly to you.

To obtain the actual name and address of the user for an IP address would require your ISP to look up this information, which will typically require a court order. In many situations, the only information you can obtain from an IP address would be the ISP the user is connected with and an approximate physical location, which is most likely the location of your ISP. If you are connecting to the Internet from work, your IP address can be easily routed to the company network you are connected to.
Report Fallen Angel February 20, 2013 12:34 PM GMT
Sometimes it's better to run the bets through friends and family instead. My pp account is completely useless £2 max now but my mate just opened up one and gave me the details. As long as you have a few friends you can trust its easier than all the other dodging and weaving. Helps if you have friends accounts which are also losers overall although sometimes a distinct profile betting change can arouse suspicion.
Report Mr Magoo February 20, 2013 12:53 PM GMT
You may still need to do this dodging and weaving, Fallen Angel. Sure, it's great if you have permission to use someone else's unlimited account, but that account will swiftly become useless if the bookie spots that you are logging in to it and you also had an account with them that they have limited.

It all boils down to ensuring there's nothing on your computer that the websites can retrieve to identify your computer and tie it to previous accounts. This stuff includes:

Cookies (clear your browser cookies, and disable 3rd party cookies - a good idea in general anyway)
Flash cookies (get a browser plugin like BetterPrivacy - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/betterprivacy/ )
Local storage (your browser settings will have an option to clear this)
Silverlight cookies (don't enable silverlight!)
Java storage (what the hell are you doing with Java on your computer anyway? Get rid of it now, and run as many virus scans as you can!)
ActiveX controls (only on Internet Explorer. Don't use!)

Another useful browser plugin to protect your privacy - Ghostery: https://www.ghostery.com/

Purge your computer before signing up for a new account. And don't forget to close old accounts, there's no point leaving restricted accounts open. Close the account, and after some time, many bookies will forget about you and let you open a new one!

Oh, ignore the crap about MAC addresses. If you don't let websites download & run their own magic plugins (like iesnare), they can't discover this.
Report manxy February 20, 2013 1:07 PM GMT
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2013-Feb-20     07:43 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-19     23:03 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-19     21:05 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-19     15:38 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-19     07:30 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-18     07:45 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-17     19:04 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-17     19:04 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Failed
    2013-Feb-17     15:09 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful
    2013-Feb-16     18:33 GMT     86.5.184.129 (United Kingdom)     Logon Successful


mine clearly static and i aint a business Sad





reboot your router duncan [not your comp], leave it off, for atleast 5 mins, if after you rebooted, you are assigned the same I.P., then yes you have a static I.P.
Report Mr Magoo February 20, 2013 1:14 PM GMT
reboot your router duncan [not your comp], leave it off, for atleast 5 mins, if after you rebooted, you are assigned the same I.P., then yes you have a static I.P.

And even then, you might not have a static IP... when your router is turned back on, it will request an IP address and it will mention the last IP address it had. If no-one else is using it, your ISP will likely give you the same one again.
Report manxy February 20, 2013 1:19 PM GMT
Mr Magoo
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You may still need to do this dodging and weaving, Fallen Angel. Sure, it's great if you have permission to use someone else's unlimited account, but that account will swiftly become useless if the bookie spots that you are logging in to it and you also had an account with them that they have limited.

It all boils down to ensuring there's nothing on your computer that the websites can retrieve to identify your computer and tie it to previous accounts. This stuff includes:

Cookies (clear your browser cookies, and disable 3rd party cookies - a good idea in general anyway)
Flash cookies (get a browser plugin like BetterPrivacy - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/betterprivacy/ )
Local storage (your browser settings will have an option to clear this)
Silverlight cookies (don't enable silverlight!)
Java storage (what the hell are you doing with Java on your computer anyway? Get rid of it now, and run as many virus scans as you can!)
ActiveX controls (only on Internet Explorer. Don't use!)

Another useful browser plugin to protect your privacy - Ghostery: https://www.ghostery.com/

Purge your computer before signing up for a new account. And don't forget to close old accounts, there's no point leaving restricted accounts open. Close the account, and after some time, many bookies will forget about you and let you open a new one!

Oh, ignore the crap about MAC addresses. If you don't let websites download & run their own magic plugins (like iesnare), they can't discover this.


that a good post until the bolded ****, ive seen it done to block spamming MAC's .. get it, i have seen it done


ffs google mac address tracing.
Report Mr Magoo February 20, 2013 1:28 PM GMT
If you don't allow random crap like java, flash, activex or silverlight to run from these webpages, you can't be blocked in this way. You won't get sh*te like iesnare on your computer. If however you drop your guard, then yes of course they can do what they like.
Report Mr Magoo February 20, 2013 1:30 PM GMT
And if you are still worrying about MAC addresses, then go ahead and change your MAC address. It's easy to do, and is actually something you have complete control over (unlike say your public IP address). But it is a waste of effort!
Report duncan idaho February 20, 2013 1:32 PM GMT
ah, right, manxy....you're dealing with a techno-goon here, i'm afraid Sad
Report Fallen Angel February 20, 2013 4:40 PM GMT
@mr magoo. Yeah I take your point. Fortunately you can log onto these accounts using multiple devices etc which tends to mask some of the IP issues.

I am tempted to get another IPAD for the sub accounts in order to ensure anonymity for a while longer. Obviously any winning account over time will eventually get flushed out.
Report dibdob February 21, 2013 4:36 AM GMT
Mr Magoo is spot on with his info.

If you need a new ip use a mobile dongle. The Vodafone one gives you a different ip address each time you sign on. (You will need to go into a vodafone store and prove you're over 18 to use betting sites). Alternately you can use tethering via your smart phone and your mobile data allowance.

Also if you're not meticulous in your work in clearing cookies/changing ips and do all your work on one laptop/pc then the best thing to do is create a different user for every account holder. eg 5 accounts, 5 users, Husband, Wife, Son, Daughter, Dog. 

x2 on ignoring the crap about MAC addresses.
Report Davy Jones February 21, 2013 11:19 AM GMT
So lots of conflicting views on the issue being ip ddress or cookies or using same device.
Report wimbledon regular February 21, 2013 3:41 PM GMT
WTF / ManderlayBay / thesecret / hong kong fooey
Just read this thread - I'd be grateful if one of you could message me a copy of WTF's guide to opening new alias accounts - cheers
Report wimbledon regular February 21, 2013 3:46 PM GMT
WTF - info received - thanks
Report get out early February 21, 2013 4:42 PM GMT
A really interesting thread imo. Could one of you guys pass on the info for opening accounts as Cheltenham is looming and would come in very handy. Thanks.
Report hong kong fooey February 21, 2013 5:31 PM GMT
Wimbledon  regular or WTF could you message
  me please
Report hong kong fooey February 21, 2013 5:55 PM GMT
Thanks WTF message recieved
Report duncan idaho February 21, 2013 6:11 PM GMT
hong kong fooey or Wimbledon regular, could you do the honours and message me please. thanks in advance
Report TheVis February 21, 2013 6:24 PM GMT
for the record my virgin cable always gives me the same ip address unless I go into my linksys router setup screen, change things there and restart the router and cable modem
Report Ell February 21, 2013 6:47 PM GMT
Duncan Idaho is also on virgin cable and also reports a static ip address.
Report duncan idaho February 21, 2013 7:34 PM GMT
anyone?
Report ER WHAT HAPPENED THERE February 21, 2013 7:55 PM GMT
Duncans is a Dynamic IP

http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/86.5.184.129

Some "Dynamics" reissue frequently and some will try and give you the same address if they can but if thats not leaseabe, they will generate a new one
Report ER WHAT HAPPENED THERE February 21, 2013 7:55 PM GMT
WFT
Would appreciate the email

Cheers
Report homefortea February 21, 2013 8:50 PM GMT
Once again may I cut through the crap as I have a pizza waiting......

Manxy you are breaking my Ballasalla heart.

Where you are from there is a floating IP address which means that every time you re-boot you will be given a "new identity"...

However in the UK you will get a static IP address which means that you can be traced every time.If that was not the case why have £nobet365 closed down more accounts than the entire Greek Banking System.

Trust me I know.
Report xoxo February 21, 2013 9:00 PM GMT
Static or fixed IP address is down to your ISP. Some have an extremely long DHCP lease time, effectively a static IP. Others' change daily or even more frequently.
Report xoxo February 21, 2013 9:01 PM GMT
iesnare is the favoured method of linking accounts as it isn't IP dependant.
Report duncan idaho February 21, 2013 9:01 PM GMT
cheers WFT
Report xoxo February 21, 2013 9:02 PM GMT
duncan, any chance of forwarding me that mail please
Report xoxo February 21, 2013 9:05 PM GMT
Many thanks
Report homefortea February 21, 2013 9:06 PM GMT
To my mind a static IP is when you get the same one when you re-boot.Be that 15 minutes or 15 hours.Anyone on here that wants to change identities will never be successful in the UK.
Report xoxo February 21, 2013 9:07 PM GMT
What makes you say that? Because of fixed IP addresses? Even if your ISP has assigned you a fixed IP changing your router's MAC address can usually force a new one from the ISP...
Report manxy February 21, 2013 9:08 PM GMT
Methods

Static IP addresses are manually assigned to a computer by an administrator. The exact procedure varies according to platform. This contrasts with dynamic IP addresses, which are assigned either by the computer interface or host software itself, as in Zeroconf, or assigned by a server using Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP). Even though IP addresses assigned using DHCP may stay the same for long periods of time, they can generally change. In some cases, a network administrator may implement dynamically assigned static IP addresses. In this case, a DHCP server is used, but it is specifically configured to always assign the same IP address to a particular computer. This allows static IP addresses to be configured centrally, without having to specifically configure each computer on the network in a manual procedure.

In the absence or failure of static or stateful (DHCP) address configurations, an operating system may assign an IP address to a network interface using state-less auto-configuration methods, such as Zeroconf.
Uses of dynamic addressing

Dynamic IP addresses are most frequently assigned on LANs and broadband networks by Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) servers. They are used because it avoids the administrative burden of assigning specific static addresses to each device on a network. It also allows many devices to share limited address space on a network if only some of them will be online at a particular time. In most current desktop operating systems, dynamic IP configuration is enabled by default so that a user does not need to manually enter any settings to connect to a network with a DHCP server. DHCP is not the only technology used to assign dynamic IP addresses. Dialup and some broadband networks use dynamic address features of the Point-to-Point Protocol.
Report xoxo February 21, 2013 9:08 PM GMT
manxy: What relevance does that have
Report manxy February 21, 2013 9:11 PM GMT
In most current desktop operating systems, dynamic IP configuration is enabled by default so that a user does not need to manually enter any settings to connect to a network with a DHCP server.


know anyone who doesnt use the default settings.
Report xoxo February 21, 2013 9:13 PM GMT
That all refers to LAN IP addresses. (Usually) the router is assigned an EXTERNAL IP address from your ISP, or you configure a static IP address (again provided by your ISP), this IP is the one the bookies see accessing their sites, not an internal LAN IP which your copy/paste refers to.
Report manxy February 21, 2013 9:16 PM GMT
all isp in uk provide dynamic ip, you have to request a static ip, and pay a fee.

http://www.ispreview.co.uk
Report homefortea February 21, 2013 9:17 PM GMT
So what you are saying to those of us who are vegetarians oxo is that the "Bookmakers" are not tracing us through our FIXED IP ...
Report xoxo February 21, 2013 9:19 PM GMT
manxy: Some ISPs have such a long DHCP lease time for the IP address, it is virtually fixed. An IP lease time of a year is pretty much the same as being fixed.

HFT: That is not what I am saying at all. What I am trying to clarify is the difference between an internal LAN IP address for each computer on the network in your home which is completely different to the external IP address which may or may not change (with differing periods, all based on the policy of your ISP or network set up). It is the external IP which websites/bookies can see accessed their sites and the only one which bears any relevance to the topic of discussion.
Report manxy February 21, 2013 9:23 PM GMT
ive just posted a link to where you can find the few suppliers of static I.Ps as standard, all the others charge extra for a static i.p, if you aint getting charged, you aint got it
Report xoxo February 21, 2013 9:25 PM GMT
manxy: o2 charge £5/month extra for a static IP. I have had the same IP from them (and many others report the same) for 2+ YEARS even though they will take your money you get it anyway!!
Report manxy February 21, 2013 9:32 PM GMT
congratulations.

still doesnt alter the fact 90 percent + have to pay extra for a static I.P., as dynamic is standard.
Report xoxo February 21, 2013 9:35 PM GMT
Even if that is the case, it all comes down to how often the dynamic IP is changed and what triggers that change. Otherwise it may as well be static if it won't change for days on end...
Report manxy February 21, 2013 10:03 PM GMT
if  and if xoxo
Report Davy Jones February 21, 2013 10:05 PM GMT
If someone could provide an IT service to allow arbing, they would make a fortune, com on guys.e
Report itsallaracket February 21, 2013 10:17 PM GMT
...all that and not one mention of a Proxy server....
Report manxy February 21, 2013 10:25 PM GMT
i used a proxy server service, for this forum when banned back in 06, they still got me.
Report Davy Jones February 21, 2013 10:27 PM GMT
someone should set an IT company up woth a call centre to deal with it
Report xoxo February 21, 2013 10:35 PM GMT
Why Davy, when they could exploit new accounts on their own behalf?
Report henry14 February 21, 2013 10:37 PM GMT
surely you could just use something like tor to hide the ip address?
Report jaytay2 February 21, 2013 11:29 PM GMT
anyone care to forward this email bout new acc's to me plz......ta
Report dukeofpuke February 22, 2013 12:29 AM GMT
wipe zero clears everything off your hard drive but doesnt affect the operating system.trouble is if you then logged into your book it would be obvious to an iesnare book using site.wipe zero also wouldnt cover up the fact thst you are using the same computer or does it
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