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FRANKIETHETORY
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Don't think there's a particularly strong bias for any style or stat here. Recent winners have variable skill sets. I'm going for four I can see coming onto a game and/or are relatively consistent.

S Woo Kim 40/1
C Howell III 66/1 NAP
J Lovemark 90/1
S Levin 175/1
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Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 9, 2016 5:54 PM GMT
FWIW

Graham DeLaet out of this week's OHL Classic at Mayakoba (alternate Jonathan Randolph) AND Grayson Murray has withdrawn due to a back injury.
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 10, 2016 2:02 AM GMT
FIRST OFF THE TEE at 12am tomorrow (5 hours behind) - Chez Reavie, Brett Stegmaier & Mark Hubbard.
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 10, 2016 2:05 AM GMT
5 fwiw

12.50 Si Woo Kim 
17.30 Marc Leishman
17.50 Jason Bohn
18.00 Keegan Bradley
18.20 Harris English
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 10, 2016 3:50 PM GMT
THE OHL CLASSIC at Mayakoba made golf history in '07 when it became the first PGA TOUR event to ever be contested outside of the US and Canada. Today, it remains México’s only PGA TOUR event and is regarded as one of the finest by professionals and spectators, alike. The sixth (of seven) tournaments this season prior to taking a seven-week break for the hols. Must have been a hectic few weeks travel wise for some - from Napa to Kuala Lumpur to Mississippi to Shanghai to Vegas, Nevada and now down the México way.

Defending Champ Graeme McDowell (67-63-70-66-266) won his first PGA Tour event in over two years by defeating Russell Knox and Jason Bohn in a Monday playoff at The Shark designed El Camaleón Golf Club last year - a 5-iron that grazed the edge of the cup on the 18th hole and settled 3 feet away for a birdie to win.

Good to see 61yo Greg Norman play the Pro-Am yesterday.

Partly sunny at 29° and pleasant for the week on Mexico's Riviera Maya,  hugging the white sands of Mexico's Caribbean coast. Cancun International Airport is just 35 miles away.
http://www.accuweather.com/en/mx/cancun/235049/daily-weather-forecast/235049?day=4

Donald John Trump will be the 45th president of the United States.....Jack Nicklaus tweeted "Congratulations to the 45th President of the United States, @realdonaldtrump! All of us in the Nicklaus family are very happy for you and your family. We now look forward to you doing all that is necessary to bring our country back together again, and make America great again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/politics/donald-trump-debt.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Don’t think we’ll ever see the liquidity of that ‘Next President’ Market come Sunday Devil
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 10, 2016 7:26 PM GMT
Si-Woo Kim became the youngest player to ever earn a PGA Tour card when he qualified at 2012 Q-School as a 17-year-old but was not eligible to join, according to PGA Tour rules, until he turned 18. He played in eight events after his 18th birthday that year and missed a cut in seven and withdrew from the eighth.

Fast forward to 2015, where he won his first Web.com Tour event being the second-youngest winner in Web.com Tour history, after Jason Day. KIM finished 2015 in tenth place in the Web.com Tour money list to earn a place on the PGA Tour for 2016. Back in July Si Woo lost in a playoff to Aaron Baddeley at the Barbasol Championship but then 4 weeks later at age 21 he became the youngest winner of the 2015-16 season when he won the Wyndham Championship (since Seve Ballesteros won in 1978 at age 20). Kim’s second-round 60 set a tournament scoring record.  He was also the youngest PGA Tour winner since Jordan Spieth won the 2013 John Deere Classic at age 19. With his victory at Sedgefield CC, in GREENSBORO, N.C, Kim is exempt through the 2017-18 season and will make his first start in the Masters next spring.

He made his CIMB debut at TPC Kuala Lumpur with rounds of 6-under par 66’s on Friday and Sunday. The South Korean should consider this T10 a successful CIMB debut - Malaysia badge tag next year. Emiliano Grillo topped OWGR #53 Si Woo Kim (and Smylie Kaufman) for PGA Tour Rookie of the Year 2016.

KIM only got through 10 holes today (as I write) during Rd1. before withdrawing due to a back injury (MY AR5E). Si-Woo kicked off his day with a birdie at the par-4 first but things turned for the worst at the par-5 fifth when an errant tee shot forced him to take a drop, leading to a bogey. He followed that up with two more bogeys before righting the ship with a birdie at the eighth. After a bogey at the par-3 10th and another penalty off the tee at the par-4 11th he called it quits. A trio of three-putts didn't help, marking his 45th career PGA TOUR start to go in the book as his second mid-tournament WD ffs. Devil
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 10, 2016 7:39 PM GMT
AUSSIE Greg Chalmers 250/1 withdraws also citing a back injury. Last year's Barracuda Champion opened with a bogey before posting 3 pars BUT from there it was water twice - his tee shot at the par-5th and then immediately with his approach shot, following the drop. Goes in the book as only his fourth mid-tournament WD in 395 career starts.
RHINO, Greg might have been on the radar after last weeks hero.
Report Total Bosman November 11, 2016 1:48 PM GMT
The Wise ace-eagle yesterday was pretty rare, and Leishman's just gone eagle - ace.
Report Woodchip November 11, 2016 2:52 PM GMT
The eight hole must be the easiest par 3 i have ever seen.
Report FRANKIETHETORY November 11, 2016 8:17 PM GMT
Sarah Stirk tonight OOOOHLALALA!! Lovely.
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 12, 2016 11:20 AM GMT
Betting for later...

    DAY 3        MOVING DAY                   
    15:10        Stewart Cink (13/10)        Oscar Fraustro (9/4)        Jonathan Garrick (5/2)   
    15:20        Emiliano Grillo (26/19)        Danny Lee (12/5)        Hudson Swafford (5/2)   
    15:30        Chez Reavie (7/4)        Brian Stuard (21/10)        Cameron Tringale (9/4)   
    15:40        Jhonattan Vegas (6/4)        Aaron Wise (7/4)        Cameron Davis (11/4)   
    15:50        Jon Rahm (11/8)        Anirban Lahiri (2/1)        Scott Brown (3/1)   
    16:00        Martin Laird (7/5)        Xander Schauffele (9/4)        Camilo Villegas (12/5)   
    16:10        Marc Leishman (7/5)        Jason Bohn (2/1)        Tyrone Van Aswegen (11/4)   
    16:20        Cody Gribble (7/4)        Pat Perez (7/4)        Seamus Power (11/4)   
    16:30        Luke List (11/8)        Nick Taylor (2/1)        Carlos Ortiz (14/5)   
    16:40        Charles Howell (5/4)        Ben Crane (9/4)        Steve Marino (3/1)   
    16:50        Russell Knox (5/6)        Adam Hadwin (9/4)        Abraham Ancer (9/2)   
    17:00        Chris Kirk (6/4)        John Huh (2/1)        Ben Martin (5/2)   
    17:10        Scott Piercy (17/10)        Gary Woodland (15/8)        Webb Simpson (2/1)   
Report Mighty Whites 2008 November 13, 2016 2:13 PM GMT
set for a sunday shootout
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 6, 2017 3:59 PM GMT
IT'S BACK OVER THE WALL - El Camaleón Golf Club,Playa del Carmen, Quintana Roo down México way again this year - AFTER ONE YEAR of POTUS "Let's Make America Great Again", TRUMPonomics & TRUMP-Twitter.....Hurry up and build that WALL ffs.


World #162 Graeme McDowell @40/1 enjoyed a bogey-free 5-under-par 33-33=66 in the final round of the Shriners Hospitals for Children Open to finish off his second appearance on 6-under 278, up 19 places to T10 and his first top 10 in 63 weeks. The 38-year-old had four top 25s last season in 17 starts but this is his first top 10 since T5 at the 2016 Wyndham. He finished 136th in the FedEx Cup standings but is exempt thru 2017-18 off his third TOUR win at the 2016 OHL Classic (playoff see above). This was the Ulsterman's second start of the season, arriving off T64 at the no-cut CJ CUP two weeks ago on a sponsor invite (73-73-77-77).
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 6, 2017 4:16 PM GMT
Mexico is also home to the Web.com Tour’s El Bosque Mexico Championship in Guanajuato.

http://www.golfchannel.com/tours/web-com-tour/2017/el-bosque-mexico-championship/

The 2017 event was won by Matt Atkins on -17 68,69,66,68 - 271
2 Sebastian Munoz -14
T3 Austin Cook -13
T3 Ted Potter Jr.
T3 Roger Sloan

#18 Matt Atkins Strokes Gained Rank: 24th Age: 26
South Carolina-Aiken product who calls Palmetto GC home. I would guess that means he is good friends with TOUR pros like Scott Brown and Kevin Kisner. The youngster finished 32nd on the money list in 2016 but improved 13 spots this season to earn his TOUR card. Was just 3-for-17 during his Web.com Tour rookie season but he's 26-for-48 since then. One of the younger grads, Atkins has some upside in long-term formats but he's a bit of a long shot to make a big impact in 2018.

#3 Austin Cook Strokes Gained Rank: 4th Age: 26
Posted five top 25s in seven PGA TOUR starts in 2015. That was definitely impressive but wasn't quite enough to secure Special Temporary Membership. Narrowly missed out on graduating from the Web last year, but made it easy this year (15th on the regular season money list). The Arkansas product brings a great mix of youth, performance, and PGA TOUR experience. Definitely, one to watch early and often when the 2017-18 PGA TOUR season kicks off.

#13 Ted Potter, Jr. Strokes Gained Rank: 3rd Age: 33
A winner at the 2012 Greenbrier Classic, Potter Jr. broke his ankle in July of 2014 when he slipped on a curb at his hotel. The lefty failed to keep his card when he returned on a medical extension in 2016. His form looks just fine on the Web.com Tour, though, going 27-for-35 with 21 top 25s over the past two years. He's lower down this list because at this stage of his career we know what he is. TPJ has missed the cut in 41 (of 75) career starts on the PGA TOUR, making him a boom-or-bust option with winning upside in weaker-field events.

#16 Bronson Burgoon Strokes Gained Rank: 16th Age: 30
Looked very promising in his 2016 rookie season on the PGA TOUR. He went 16-for-27 with seven top 25s to his credit. That fell just short of making the FedExCup Playoffs (131st, needed to finish inside the top 125 to retain his card). On top of that, an injury knocked him out and he wasn't able to return until July of 2017. From there, he was slow to shake off the rust but entered the Web.com Tour Championship with three top 25s in his last five starts, two of them doubling as top 10s. He is also right in the mix in the finale, as I type this. He's a born-and-raised Texan, so it might be worth waiting for the Texas Swing. His top three finishes on TOUR have all come on courses with bermuda grass greens. CHECK WITH HIS BACK INJURY FIRST.


#1 Abraham Ancer  Strokes Gained Rank: 2nd Age: 26
The University of Oklahoma product ranks second in strokes gained despite not finding the winner's circle. His season includes a trio of runner-up finishes and four other top 10s. The dual citizen of U.S. and Mexico also graduated from the Web.com Tour in 2015 but didn't find much success on the big stage. He was 6-for-19 with one top 25, but he appears to have used that experience to his advantage and will try to keep it rolling in the fall.  I think we could see him make some noise, early in the season.
Report lewisham ranger November 6, 2017 5:31 PM GMT
reed has gone well at this tournament before and I've seen worse 20-1 shots.
Report lewisham ranger November 6, 2017 5:34 PM GMT
sorry was getting this tournament mixed up with something else!
Report lewisham ranger November 9, 2017 4:08 PM GMT
slow down patton kizzire....
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 9, 2017 11:21 PM GMT
Good start by Defending Champ PEREZ T11 & LAHIRI T11,  HOWELL T21,  KNOX T21 &  HADLEY T74 as KISSIRE  smacks a 9-under 62 Devil

...Gmac is T36 at -2 while 26yo Austin Arkansas COOK is T5 with a 66.
Report toberaheena November 11, 2017 5:13 PM GMT
I have laid Fowler €150 @ 4.59 leaving a potential cash out of just over €408 ie Losing €120ish. If Quincy or any of the mathematics guys are on, please advise.  How many rounds will they play. 3 or more. Just nee a pointer please.
Report Mighty Whites 2008 November 11, 2017 5:56 PM GMT
They try to get 72 holes in where possible. They still have to play about 2 and a half hours of round 2. If they get that done today they could do 36 tomorrow or alternatively go to Monday but the forecast doesnt look great for Monday
Report Total Bosman November 11, 2017 6:11 PM GMT
Yes, Monday is the problem.  It would be daft to be relying on getting a complete round in then.  With the daylight they have it's tough to squeeze 36 in tomorrow so depends if they can get into 3rd round tonight.  They don't like to do it but I'd say it's close to a point where the sensible course of action would be to complete round 2 today and play a final round tomorrow.
Report toberaheena November 11, 2017 6:36 PM GMT
Thanks guys. I tuned into PGA Tour Radio there for a while. There is no sign of   anything yet and 6pm has been and gone. The course is well soaked so there will not be  too much run out on drives and low irons. If there is no play today, it could happen that they will be uner pressure to gettime to cut greens. Im not certain they would have the machinery to cut all greens together. I think I will be brave for a while. The players still out there, the lads with holes to play on front nine will be in better shape than those that started round 2 at hole number 1. 3 difficult holes on back 9 and par 5's on front 9.
Report Mighty Whites 2008 November 12, 2017 11:51 AM GMT
Looks like they are going for 72 finish today. Going to be tight but with no delays they may get it in if they avoid any more delays
Report Total Bosman November 12, 2017 12:29 PM GMT
They've bought themselves a chance, looks like they could turn around the final group for about a 1pm start which would give them time to finish.  But there's a chance of storms late afternoon which would force them to Monday, and Monday looks pretty dreadful.  The danger is they get the 4th round started then get hit by weather and have to find a way to finish it, but looks like they are going to chance their luck.
Report toberaheena November 12, 2017 1:01 PM GMT
Charles Howell on a roll. And he has the experience not to blow up coming in the home stretch. And Ryan Moore is another who may make a sustained run with plenty experience to fall back on also. Wonder  what time we will get pictures.
Report Total Bosman November 12, 2017 1:19 PM GMT
3 shot scoring correction derailed CH3 quite quickly.  Hope no-one got overly burned.
Report Mighty Whites 2008 November 12, 2017 1:53 PM GMT
42 players within 5 shots could be a cracking finish
Report toberaheena November 12, 2017 5:29 PM GMT
No sign of a sustained attack from any more than 1 player. Fowler should burn his last front nine and saunter home from there. Howell is starting 3rd rd  ok but too far back. I cashed out there to give me €300 and lose 215. Will lay Northern  Ireland to win me €50 of the golf damage.

Just clear that the field here in Mexico looked poor. It is bar 1.
Report Total Bosman November 12, 2017 5:51 PM GMT
Rickie by far the class of the contenders but always hard to be fully confident in him.  He'll feel he should beat this lot but will that give him confidence or pile on the pressure?
Report par November 12, 2017 7:04 PM GMT
good Ole Rickie, that poll was right. Him and Poulter most over rated players in golf.
Report Total Bosman November 12, 2017 7:12 PM GMT
He might be the class of the field, but so often he shows us the gulf between being top 10 in the world and being top 3.  Can't compound your mistakes like that.
Report lewisham ranger November 12, 2017 9:09 PM GMT
here comes the kizzire choke.
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 12, 2017 9:44 PM GMT
Abraham Ancer - the dual citizen of US, and Mexico where he grew up as a teenager - made a last charge for a T10.

Good Call FRANKIE on C Howell III 66/1 NAP
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 12, 2017 9:45 PM GMT
and on KIM too - both T3 Devil
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 12, 2017 10:13 PM GMT
squeaky bum time For KIZZIRE
Report Total Bosman November 12, 2017 10:42 PM GMT
More questions about Rickie's killer instinct but an impressive final round from Kizzire.
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 12, 2017 10:44 PM GMT
Two putts for PAT to WIN  - have 2, take 2 Devil
Report Hank Hill November 12, 2017 10:51 PM GMT
Can't fault Kizzire's putting in the final rd, especially with Fowler adding some pressure last few holes.
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 12, 2017 10:57 PM GMT
KIZZIRE must have felt somewhat at home in the surroundings as he's part of the Sea Island mafia.

Others among the Sea Island residents: Davis Love and his son Dru, Jonathan Byrd, Harris English, Zach Johnson, Matt Kuchar and Hudson Swafford. Other players who don’t live there full-time but train at the Sea Island Performance Center: Stewart Cink, Lucas Glover, Brian Harman, Charles Howell III, Chris Kirk, Kyle Reifers and John Rollins.
Report Facts November 12, 2017 10:58 PM GMT
Fowler, one of the first players I rule out when creating a shortlist.
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 12, 2017 11:03 PM GMT
(((( BAD COACHING ))))

https://twitter.com/EuropeanTour/status/929046006259257345
Report DickTurpin November 6, 2018 4:12 PM GMT
2018 Mayakoba Classic :-

A Wise @34
S W Kim @36
B Hossler @48
S Ryder @70
A Hadwin @70
K Mitchell @140

GL if playing............
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 6, 2018 5:57 PM GMT
Facts • November 12, 2017 10:58 PM GMT
Fowler, one of the first players I rule out when creating a shortlist.


Facts, PERHAPS you should do as Corleone said (in The Godfather) ".....hold your friends close but your enemies closer" - just for this week.

RICKY 'Tricky' FOWLER 8/1fav shook off the rust in Vegas with a very promising start (his first event of the new season). The OWGR #9 was 2-over thru 6 holes in Rd1, but then posted six birdies and a pair of eagles in a true ball-striking clinic - only for a cold putter (missed four putts from inside 12 feet on his opening five holes) it could have been a really low round. After opening with 68-67-69, a bogey-free, 8-under-par 33-30=63 in the final round of the Shriners Hospitals to finish T4 @ 17 under (only 4 swings back from DeChambeau) - his third straight T10 (FedEx Cup Playoffs - T7, TOUR Championship; T8, BMW).

Abraham Ancer - "Yeah, I think it just fits my game really well. I don’t hit it very far, but I feel comfortable out here. You don’t have to bomb it out here, you’ve just got to place it, and once you’re in the fairway, you’ve got a good chance of making birdie." - and he's coming in a lot hotter than last year off a T9 in the Shriners !

SAM BURNS 80/1 anyone ?
Almost the last chance for some players to earn their ticket to the Tournament of Champions in Maui as 2018 closes in.
CM iyc Devil
Report therhino November 7, 2018 12:22 PM GMT
Not many pairs of courses where form is as closely linked as this and Waialae, even taking aside Kizzire being the defending champ at both. Plenty of other examples. On that basis, Woodland, Si Woo and Piercy the standouts for me. Form at both venues and all playing well at the minute. A few bucks on Bill Haas who has shown glimpses of late and made Kisner my biggest winner.
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 7, 2018 9:32 PM GMT
OWGR #31 GARY WOODLAND's last seven events - T10 (with 69-67-71-63 at the Shriners),2nd CJ Cup,T5 CIMB,11,12,24 & 48th. Gary was 2nd here in 2016, with Scott Piercy back in 4th.
A Delray Beach, Florida, resident, 34yo Gary (18/1) is the TOUR leader in consecutive cuts made with 14. Only Fowler 8's, Tony Finau 12/1 & Jordan Spieth 16/1 are ahead of him in the betting. Howell and Grillo are other course horses in reasonable form, along with Stroud & Stuard but on the cold list. Devil
Report lewisham ranger November 8, 2018 10:08 AM GMT
Facts
12 Nov 17 22:58
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Fowler, one of the first players I rule out when creating a shortlist.


he speaks highly of you. Wink
Report lewisham ranger November 8, 2018 7:56 PM GMT
quick question about golfers, I notice the biggest price betfair goes up to is 1000, but presumably plenty of players would start bigger than that, and why don't betfair go up any higher? because of simplicity reasons, or they don't want people to get too exposed, or some other reason? Confused
Report Total Bosman November 8, 2018 8:26 PM GMT
Even at this level Jordan's game looks uncompetitive.  Maybe he should try the Web next.
Report lewisham ranger November 8, 2018 9:28 PM GMT
spiffy a confidence player.

was thinking the other day that it's probably worth backing him each-way for the masters next year. he's only been outside the top five once in the last five years.


been playing horrible of later but was playing fairly rank going into the 2018 event and still nearly win won it. seems like an each-way bet to nothing to me. Crazy
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 8, 2018 9:49 PM GMT
FIRST FOUR IN THE BETTING

Rickie Fowler 7
Gary Woodland 10
Emiliano Grillo 11
Abraham Ancer 14's

...nice Devil
Report Total Bosman November 9, 2018 4:05 PM GMT
Champ going nuts.  What a player he looks.
Report Total Bosman November 9, 2018 4:48 PM GMT
Spieth going home.  What a player he looked.
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 10, 2018 3:41 PM GMT
WE LIKE some of the bunch of seven @-11 (and only 3 back from KUCHAR) - 2008 Winner Brian GAY 25/1 - Meen-Whee Kim 33/1  - defending Champ Patton KISSIRE 20's - and maybe - Anirban Lahiri, 14th & 28th last two years, 30/1) or GRILLO (-9) 18/1 - although 20/1 long-shot Abraham might be ANCER (he's five back).

We note: 28yo Danny LEE was 3rd in 2014, while Blixt MC in 2015 & 2016 and last week too + Hickok's on debut. Only the second time in Kuchar's career that he has opened an event with two laps of 64 or better. 
MCs: from Jordan, GMac, Ryan Moore, Zach Johnson & Charley Hoffman.


STAT: The last five winners were Top 11th or better after 36 holes, and that trend has maintained in the entire time the PGA Tour has been visiting this course.
In fact, the ultimate winner is not only 11-for-11 at being T11 or better at halfway, but has gone 8-for-11 at being in the T5 (and ties).

2016 winner Pat Perez was five back - the biggest comeback by shots - (he's currently T15th @ -9, so is it too big an ask to do it again???) - WINNER needs to be -9 or better.
CM iyc Devil
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 10, 2018 3:58 PM GMT
LAY KUCHAR..... as the 9 leaders (or co-leads) in the last five years - three have converted (Kizzire, GMac & English) but going back to 2007 the total number of co/leaders is 20 with ONLY five ultimately lifting the trophy (25% chance). Devil
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 10, 2018 4:04 PM GMT
Other notable early exits include: Sungjae IM, Kisner, Beau Hossler, Luke List & Patrick Rodgers.
Report Catch Me ifyoucan November 10, 2018 4:30 PM GMT
Also note this will be KUCHAR's 12th career 36-hole lead (his first since the 2016 Memorial Tournament) and he's gone on to win just ONE of those events (2012 PLAYERS), while he posted a podium finish in 7-of-the-11. Gonna be a TIGHT for the next two days.
Report Total Bosman November 11, 2018 4:12 PM GMT
Fun fact - Kuchar's last win (2014 Heritage) was on the same day as Westwood's last win.
Report frames November 12, 2018 11:29 AM GMT
That's an amazing coincidence.
Report trebor November 12, 2018 11:44 AM GMT
And both had new caddies
Report Mighty Whites 2008 November 12, 2018 8:58 PM GMT
Amazingly only Kuchar's 8 win on the PGA

Good to see him back comes across as one of the games nice guys. Made hard work of it on the back nine but got the job done
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