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brian05
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anyone used retirement staking plan ? any comments please.
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Report Northbouy October 13, 2011 2:00 PM BST
i won millions with it and am now retired.
Report Slicer October 13, 2011 2:30 PM BST
Early retirement is a sertinty- you will retire from the plan having lost all you're monet!
Report Deltâ October 13, 2011 2:39 PM BST
I used it and retired to an Island


Canvey Island
Report postmannick October 13, 2011 5:59 PM BST
i"ve retired but can"t afford steak
Report swift-tuttle October 13, 2011 10:03 PM BST
what is it?
Report No_BS October 14, 2011 12:54 AM BST
I have no idea why people even bother posting on here with the crap they get in response.

If this is what you are talking about  http://www.grandstand.com.au/retirementstakingplan/  yes it does work provided you have a winning formula already that makes you money.

No staking plan in the world will turn losers in to winners but if you have the right selections it can improve your return.

Unlike most of the staking plans on the net that promise the world as long as you buy them first this one is free and will always be free,
Report cpfc4me October 14, 2011 1:45 AM BST
I have no idea why people even bother posting on here with the crap they get in response.

There's a saying, "Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer". The OP has been here for nearly three years, and asks a pointless question. Of course someone has used the staking plan in question, but anyone with half a brain knows that, as said above, no staking plan can turn a losing method into a winning method.
Report senlac October 14, 2011 7:38 AM BST
A true Martingale with bets at close to Evens will be profitable.
Of course you will say this requires a large Bank to overcome a
long losing run, which is true.
But it will nevertheless be profitable should you have that large Bank.
I could argue that betting without a staking plan cannot be profitable
as you could still have that losing run which breaks the Bank.
Indeed, if your selection methods are within themselves unprofitable
you will of course lose in the long run with Flat stakes but you could
turn your losses into profit with a suitable staking plan
I expect howls of derision from the ignorant but I am of course right in this matter.
Report No_BS October 14, 2011 8:30 AM BST
Spoken like a true gambler thinking 1)that you can win with Martingale staking 2) that a staking plan can turn losers in to winners.
Report senlac October 14, 2011 9:12 AM BST
Thank you NO BS.
However , I consider my views those of an informed investor rather than a Gambler.
Glad to see someone else who knows that a martingale will be profitable.
Report dlarssonf October 14, 2011 9:22 AM BST
cpfc4me     14 Oct 11 01:45 
I have no idea why people even bother posting on here with the crap they get in response.

There's a saying, "Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer". The OP has been here for nearly three years, and asks a pointless question. Of course someone has used the staking plan in question, but anyone with half a brain knows that, as said above, no staking plan can turn a losing method into a winning method.


so what if he has being here 3 years, he may have only being a fun gambler, maybe someone who just bets on weekend footy.  He is entitled to ask a question without getting c rap back. If he doesn't ask how will he ever know.
Report catfloppo October 14, 2011 9:23 AM BST
Nice morning for a spot of fishing
Report Slicer October 14, 2011 2:21 PM BST
FACT- A martingale System will always be prophetable at around evens if:
1) There is no house limit.
2) You have an infinite amount of monet.
3) You have an infinite amount of time.

Otherwise it won't!

I hope this is of assistance in the understanding of infinity.
Report brian05 October 15, 2011 11:34 AM BST
yes thanks dlarssonf & No-BS  for your comments,thats all i asked for -comments some idiots on here dont read the question.I didnt ask if it was profitable,i asked for comments from people who had heard of or used the system.
Report Northbouy October 15, 2011 3:32 PM BST
lol, i think the question you asked brian was answered by all the posters. [:x]
Report DFCIRONMAN October 15, 2011 6:37 PM BST
Slicer - what the fecking el as the Martingale system gotta do with the RETIREMENT STAKING PLAN?
Report coolhand October 15, 2011 6:43 PM BST
DFC
Long time no see, hope all is well, i think Slicer was addressing senlac.
Report DFCIRONMAN October 15, 2011 7:19 PM BST
Thanks CH .....and apologies to Dr Slicer .......

senlac - why have you introduced the M system when it is TRSP that OP 's thread is about???????
Report DFCIRONMAN October 15, 2011 7:25 PM BST
Still checking out STRATEGIES CH on previous rated races....and all of em appear to "work".......LB jolted me to look more closely at the short odds end of market ( Not what I was interested in........more interested in higher odds horses etc )

So looks like the short odds ( favs/2nd favs SO FAR) may well be what i should concentrate on initially ....once using system!

Not using RETIREMENT STAKING PLAN.........but I suspect it "works" very very well on 2nd favs when i use system + RANKING order and "value" odds etc etc.

Once I complete the current check on the 2nd favourites......will check out how would have fared using TRSP on BACKING STRATEGY.......and will report back to this thread !

Gl with bets.
Report DFCIRONMAN October 15, 2011 7:33 PM BST
Only recently started to check BACKING/LAYING re 2nd favourites selections using SYSTEM RANKINGS and when "value" odds.....and currently after 4 days checked in JULY 2008 there is a LOSS of 4.58 points on BACKING strategy ....but LAY profits are 15.56 points in WIN Market and 8.58 points in PLACE LAY market.......

Will be "interesting" if the current SMALL LOSS onn BACKING in WIN market will be turned into a PROFIT using TRSP........I believe it WILLDevilLaugh
Report senlac October 16, 2011 10:37 PM BST
Decironman I introduced the M system because it was stated
that no recovery system at all would work.
The M system is so easy to understand.
It was introduced by a Captain M. for use in the Casinos
of the Riviera over a century ago and was for betting
on the wheel Red or Black or Odds or Evens.
I know little of the efficacy of the Retirement plan.
Report DFCIRONMAN October 16, 2011 11:31 PM BST
ORIGINAL RETIREMENT STAKING PLAN

The Retirement Staking Plan was devised by Grandstand's racing analyst Barry Hughes, and is rated by some professional punters and people who know racing, to be one of, if not the best staking plan they have seen.

Barry did not invent this plan by accident, it took know how and hundreds of hours of calculations to get it right.

His aim was to formulate a staking plan that could recoup all losses, and to show profits, even when a plan only breaks even. In other words, over a period of time you might have had 80 bets for 25 winners, you didn't lose, but you didn't win either. He also wanted a staking plan that could withstand long runs of outs and still achieve profits.

He did over a period of time, come up with a staking plan that did these things, but when he applied it to past results on several systems, it worked fine on some, but others, not so good.

He finally came to the conclusion that most staking plans never took into account the average price of the winners. They may work on one that has an average price winner of 5-2, and completely fail on a system with the average price winner of 5-1. The reason being, a system that does average 5-1 winners, will at some stage be more likely to go through a longer run of outs than the one that averages 5-2 winners.

The only thing he had to do now was, to work out a staking plan, with a formula that would suit all plans with different average price winners.

He finally came up with a staking plan that has a divisor, and a target, where your first bet is only 1% of your bank And as you will see he has set this staking plan up in such a way it will suit any system that shows only small profits, and can also show more than 15% at break even. It wouldn't matter if your plan averages 5-2 or 8-1 winners, or anywhere in between. You will know once you have worked out the average price winner of whatever plan you are using, how to set up and use The Retirement Staking Plan.

First. To work out the average price of the winners, ( and you should only do this after you have had more than 20 winners), you total the return of the winners, E.g. 20 winners and the total return was $100 on the TAB. Then you divide 20 into 100 = 5, so your average price winner is 4-1 as the tote return includes your dollar invested. This first step is the most important in setting up the Retirement Staking Plan, it determines your divisor, and when to bring in your safety device.

The best way to show you how to set the plan up is in the following table. First we have a divisor, which is double the average price winner of the plan you are using, say your average price winner is 3-1, your divisor would be six. We also have a tar get. Set up like this:-



retirement1.gif




First up we know the divisor will be six, double the average price winner of 3-1, your first bet is 1% of your bank, doesn't sound much, but just to show how this plan can produce over a period of time, we have started with a large bank. Now to arrive at your target, multiply your divisor by your first bet, 6 x 100 = 600. So your divisor is six, target 600, first bet 100, which is 1% of your bank, all losses are added to your target, and if you go six without a winner, then start to increase your divis or by one after each losing bet. Following is what to do when you have a run of outs.



retirement2.gif



As you can see, losses were added to the target, and when we went six without a winner, we increased the divisor, if you do not, bets get out of hand and jeopardize the most important thing, the bank.

Look at the bank after six losers 9092, it could still withstand another 42 without a winner, and that is not because we started with a 10,000 bank, if you started with a 1,000 bank it would be the same, as your first bet would have been 1% = $10. By doing this, the staking plan can withstand 48 without a winner.

Now, after the 4-1, you reduced the target from 2583 to 1723, you then look back to where your target was close to this amount and you go back to where your divisor was on 8, so your next bet is 8 target 1723.

After the 6-1 winner you reduced the target from 2153 to 863, go back to the third bet when your divisor was six, you know then if this and the next three lose, you start to increase your divisor again.

Now each time the bank increases by 200, increase the target by 10, this is another safety device Barry built in to The Retirement Staking Plan. If you add 10 to your target, you only increase a bet by $1, which is only .05% of the bank increase, doesn 't sound much, but over a long period of time, and as the bets increase, you are safeguarding the bank.

When looking at the results, you will see we outlayed 2988 for a profit of 172 or 6% on turnover. What happened to the 15% or more at break even?. The reason for this is ten out of the sixteen bet's were at level stakes of 215. We will show how this ca n change when your divisor remains on six.

Now look what happens if the winners fall in a different order.



retirement3.gif



With the winner at 6-1, we increased the target to 630, and after the 3-1 winner the profit was 819 with the outlay of 2331 which represents 35% profit on turnover, outstanding results, as the plan showed no profit at level stakes,16 bets 3 winners ret urn 16.

Now the thing to remember is, work out the average price winner then double it, that becomes your divisor. E.g. 5-2 = 5, 3-1 = 6,7-2 = 7, 4-1 = 8, 9-2 = 9, 5-1 = 10. Also the divisor tells you how many losing bets to go before you increase your divisor . Start with 1% of a bank you can afford, and you have a staking plan that will show 15% at break even, and sometimes more. It will also, over a period of time as the bets increase, withstand more than 48 without a winner.

You should now be able to understand why Barry put so much work into The Retirement Staking Plan. We have quite a few clients that have not looked back since putting this Staking Plan to good use. Others have sold so called infallible staking plans for hundreds of dollars, most fail, as they will not withstand the losing runs. Barry thinks everyone should be using The Retirement Staking Plan which is offered free of charge.
Report DFCIRONMAN October 16, 2011 11:31 PM BST
Figures missing from above ....check link for more info

http://www.grandstand.com.au/retirementstakingplan/
Report DFCIRONMAN October 16, 2011 11:34 PM BST
Another link for info

http://www.professional-racing-tips.com/StakingPlanPages/Retirement.aspx
Report top2rated October 17, 2011 4:45 AM BST
Spreadsheet link here......

http://www.racerate.com/retiremnt_plan_spreadsheet.htm
Report bix October 17, 2011 1:52 PM BST
Any staking plan is really only a series of bets at level stakes
ie so many bets at £2 and so many bets at £4 and so many bets at £8 etc. Whether its profitable or not in the long run will depend upon the value obtained.
Report Rs1 October 17, 2011 3:04 PM BST
can't believe is 2011 and muppets still fall for this sh ite   ....

ffs no wonder there so many losers
Report No_BS October 17, 2011 5:11 PM BST
Oh do share your wisdom with us we want to know what a winner does.
Report Rs1 October 17, 2011 7:29 PM BST
i know no one helps you here or any website giving tips or systems 

work it out yourself !
Report TheInvestor2 October 18, 2011 1:40 AM BST
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FACT- A martingale System will always be prophetable at around evens if:
1) There is no house limit.
2) You have an infinite amount of monet.
3) You have an infinite amount of time.

Otherwise it won't!

I hope this is of assistance in the understanding of infinity.


FACT - if you have an infinite amount of money, you cannot increase your wealth by betting, martingale or otherwise.
Report TheInvestor2 October 18, 2011 1:45 AM BST
I don't really understand the logic for using anything other than level staking, (fractional) Kelly, or some proprietary method that factors in likelihood of getting matched etc.
Report No_BS October 18, 2011 2:35 AM BST
Rs1
17 Oct 11 19:29 Joined: 12 Jan 08 | Topic/replies: 5,346 | Blogger: Rs1's blog
i know no one helps you here or any website giving tips or systems 

work it out yourself !

Gees i thought that's what the **** we were doing, the OP asked a question and some of use gave advice, others just blabbed on with bullshit or claimed to know it all.

If you knew it all you would not be here.
Report Rs1 October 18, 2011 5:40 PM BST
No_BS     17 Oct 11 17:11 
Oh do share your wisdom with us we want to know what a winner does.

i just responded that
Report DFCIRONMAN October 19, 2011 10:08 AM BST
I said earlier on thread that I would ATTEMPT to apply TRSP to results of checking out a BETTING STRATEGY currently being checked out. I suspect I am NOT using TRSP "correctly"...........and perhaps someone who knows where I am going "wrong" can point this out?

Using a STARTING BANK of £10,000 ( notional), and with a DIVISOR of 8, I have the following run of results ( "X" = LOSING BET and the odds shown are at BF SP - 1) -

WINNER
BF SP
ODDS
MINUS 1

X
X
X
4.5
X
X
X
X
2.73
X
3.71
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
2.94
X
X
3
2.25
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
1.99
2.75
X
X
X
X
4.7
X
X
X
4.5
X
X
X
X
X
X
4
4.6
X
5.8
X
X
X
X
3.52
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
4.2
X
4.1
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
2.55
X
X
X
5.8
X
X
X
X
X
X
2.92
X
X
X
6
4.75
X
3
X
X
X
X
X
X
4.82
X
1.96
X
X
X
4.48
5.55
6.49
4.4
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
3.68
X
4.24
============================================================================


Now I end up with results below attempting to use TRSP ( but probably not using it "correctly"!) -

DIVISOR    TARGET    BET    P & L    BANK
                10000
8    800    100    -100    9900
8    900    112.5    -112.5    9787.5
8    1012.5    126.5625    -126.5625    9660.9375
8    1139.0625    142.3828125    608.6865234    10269.62402
8    800    100    -100    10169.62402
8    900    112.5    -112.5    10057.12402
8    1012.5    126.5625    -126.5625    9930.561523
8    1139.0625    142.3828125    -142.3828125    9788.178711
8    1281.445313    160.1806641    415.4285522    10203.60726
8    800    100    -100    10103.60726
8    900    112.5    396.50625    10500.11351
8    800    100    -100    10400.11351
8    900    112.5    -112.5    10287.61351
8    1012.5    126.5625    -126.5625    10161.05101
8    1139.0625    142.3828125    -142.3828125    10018.6682
8    1281.445313    160.1806641    -160.1806641    9858.487537
8    1441.625977    180.2032471    -180.2032471    9678.28429
8    1621.829224    202.728653    -202.728653    9475.555637
8    1824.557877    228.0697346    -228.0697346    9247.485902
9    2052.627611    228.0697346    636.9987687    9884.484671
8    800    100    -100    9784.484671
8    900    112.5    -112.5    9671.984671
8    1012.5    126.5625    360.703125    10032.6878
8    800    100    213.75    10246.4378
8    900    112.5    -112.5    10133.9378
8    1012.5    126.5625    -126.5625    10007.3753
8    1139.0625    142.3828125    -142.3828125    9864.992483
8    1281.445313    160.1806641    -160.1806641    9704.811819
8    1441.625977    180.2032471    -180.2032471    9524.608572
8    1621.829224    202.728653    -202.728653    9321.879919
8    1824.557877    228.0697346    -228.0697346    9093.810185
8    2052.627611    256.5784514    485.0615624    9578.871747
8    800    100    261.25    9840.121747
8    900    112.5    -112.5    9727.621747
8    1012.5    126.5625    -126.5625    9601.059247
8    1139.0625    142.3828125    -142.3828125    9458.676434
8    1281.445313    160.1806641    -160.1806641    9298.49577
8    1441.625977    180.2032471    804.6074982    10103.10327
8    800    100    -100    10003.10327
8    900    112.5    -112.5    9890.603268
8    1012.5    126.5625    -126.5625    9764.040768
8    1139.0625    142.3828125    608.6865234    10372.72729
8    800    100    -100    10272.72729
8    900    112.5    -112.5    10160.22729
8    1012.5    126.5625    -126.5625    10033.66479
8    1139.0625    142.3828125    -142.3828125    9891.281979
8    1281.445313    160.1806641    -160.1806641    9731.101315
8    1441.625977    180.2032471    -180.2032471    9550.898068
8    1621.829224    202.728653    770.3688812    10321.26695
8    800    100    437    10758.26695
8    800    100    -100    10658.26695
8    900    112.5    619.875    11278.14195
8    880    110    -110    11168.14195
8    990    123.75    -123.75    11044.39195
8    1113.75    139.21875    -139.21875    10905.1732
8    1252.96875    156.6210938    -156.6210938    10748.55211
8    1409.589844    176.1987305    589.2085547    11337.76066
8    880    110    -110    11227.76066
8    990    123.75    -123.75    11104.01066
8    1113.75    139.21875    -139.21875    10964.79191
8    1252.96875    156.6210938    -156.6210938    10808.17082
8    1409.589844    176.1987305    -176.1987305    10631.97209
8    1585.788574    198.2235718    -198.2235718    10433.74851
8    1784.012146    223.0015182    -223.0015182    10210.747
8    2007.013664    250.876708    -250.876708    9959.870288
9    2257.890372    250.876708    -250.876708    9708.99358
10    2508.76708    250.876708    1000.998065    10709.99165
8    1408    176    -176    10533.99165
8    1584    198    771.21    11305.20165
8    880    110    -110    11195.20165
8    990    123.75    -123.75    11071.45165
8    1113.75    139.21875    -139.21875    10932.2329
8    1252.96875    156.6210938    -156.6210938    10775.6118
8    1409.589844    176.1987305    -176.1987305    10599.41307
8    1585.788574    198.2235718    -198.2235718    10401.1895
8    1784.012146    223.0015182    -223.0015182    10178.18798
8    2007.013664    250.876708    607.7488252    10785.93681
8    1400    175    -175    10610.93681
8    1575    196.875    -196.875    10414.06181
8    1771.875    221.484375    -221.484375    10192.57743
8    1993.359375    249.1699219    1372.92627    11565.5037
8    880    110    -110    11455.5037
8    990    123.75    -123.75    11331.7537
8    1113.75    139.21875    -139.21875    11192.53495
8    1252.96875    156.6210938    -156.6210938    11035.91386
8    1409.589844    176.1987305    -176.1987305    10859.71513
8    1585.788574    198.2235718    -198.2235718    10661.49155
8    1784.012146    223.0015182    618.6062116    11280.09777
8    1114    140    -140    11140.09777
8    1254    156.75    -156.75    10983.34777
8    1410.75    176.34375    -176.34375    10807.00402
8    1587.09375    198.3867188    1130.804297    11937.80831
8    920    115    518.9375    12456.74581
8    960    120    -120    12336.74581
8    1080    135    384.75    12721.49581
8    1080    135    -135    12586.49581
8    1215    151.875    -151.875    12434.62081
8    1366.875    170.859375    -170.859375    12263.76144
8    1537.734375    192.2167969    -192.2167969    12071.54464
8    1729.951172    216.2438965    -216.2438965    11855.30074
8    1946.195068    243.2743835    -243.2743835    11612.02636
8    2189.469452    273.6836815    1253.197578    12865.22394
8    1000    125    -125    12740.22394
8    1125    140.625    261.84375    13002.06769
8    1040    130    -130    12872.06769
8    1170    146.25    -146.25    12725.81769
8    1316.25    164.53125    -164.53125    12561.28644
8    1480.78125    185.0976563    787.775625    13349.06206
8    1040    130    685.425    14034.48706
8    1120    140    863.17    14897.65706
8    1160    145    606.1    15503.75706
8    1200    150    -150    15353.75706
8    1350    168.75    -168.75    15185.00706
8    1518.75    189.84375    -189.84375    14995.16331
8    1708.59375    213.5742188    -213.5742188    14781.5891
8    1922.167969    240.2709961    -240.2709961    14541.3181
8    2162.438965    270.3048706    -270.3048706    14271.01323
8    2432.743835    304.0929794    -304.0929794    13966.92025
8    2736.836815    342.1046019    -342.1046019    13624.81565
9    3078.941417    342.1046019    -342.1046019    13282.71105
10    3421.046019    342.1046019    -342.1046019    12940.60644
11    3763.15062    342.1046019    -342.1046019    12598.50184
12    4105.255222    342.1046019    -342.1046019    12256.39724
13    4447.359824    342.1046019    -342.1046019    11914.29264
14    4789.464426    342.1046019    1195.997688    13110.29033
10    3420    342    -342    12768.29033
11    3762    342    1377.576    14145.86633
=========================================================================


Ends up with a CLOSING BANK of £14,145.86............Commission at rate of 5% being applied to WINNING BETS etc.


Now if I STAKE at LEVEL STAKES , at 1% of BANK BALANCE, the results using same run of results above are -

BET    P & L    BANK
        10000
100    -100    9900
99    -99    9801
98.01    -98.01    9702.99
97.0299    414.8028225    10117.79282
101.1779282    -101.1779282    10016.61489
100.1661489    -100.1661489    9916.448745
99.16448745    -99.16448745    9817.284258
98.17284258    -98.17284258    9719.111415
97.19111415    252.0651546    9971.17657
99.7117657    -99.7117657    9871.464804
98.71464804    347.919777    10219.38458
102.1938458    -102.1938458    10117.19074
101.1719074    -101.1719074    10016.01883
100.1601883    -100.1601883    9915.85864
99.1585864    -99.1585864    9816.700053
98.16700053    -98.16700053    9718.533053
97.18533053    -97.18533053    9621.347722
96.21347722    -96.21347722    9525.134245
95.25134245    -95.25134245    9429.882903
94.29882903    263.3766295    9693.259532
96.93259532    -96.93259532    9596.326937
95.96326937    -95.96326937    9500.363667
95.00363667    270.7603645    9771.124032
97.71124032    208.8577762    9979.981808
99.79981808    -99.79981808    9880.18199
98.8018199    -98.8018199    9781.38017
97.8138017    -97.8138017    9683.566368
96.83566368    -96.83566368    9586.730705
95.86730705    -95.86730705    9490.863398
94.90863398    -94.90863398    9395.954764
93.95954764    -93.95954764    9301.995216
93.01995216    175.8542196    9477.849436
94.77849436    247.6088165    9725.458252
97.25458252    -97.25458252    9628.20367
96.2820367    -96.2820367    9531.921633
95.31921633    -95.31921633    9436.602417
94.36602417    -94.36602417    9342.236392
93.42236392    417.1308549    9759.367247
97.59367247    -97.59367247    9661.773575
96.61773575    -96.61773575    9565.155839
95.65155839    -95.65155839    9469.504281
94.69504281    404.821308    9874.325589
98.74325589    -98.74325589    9775.582333
97.75582333    -97.75582333    9677.82651
96.7782651    -96.7782651    9581.048244
95.81048244    -95.81048244    9485.237762
94.85237762    -94.85237762    9390.385384
93.90385384    -93.90385384    9296.481531
92.96481531    353.2662982    9649.747829
96.49747829    421.6939801    10071.44181
100.7144181    -100.7144181    9970.727391
99.70727391    549.3870792    10520.11447
105.2011447    -105.2011447    10414.91333
104.1491333    -104.1491333    10310.76419
103.1076419    -103.1076419    10207.65655
102.0765655    -102.0765655    10105.57998
101.0557998    337.9305947    10443.51058
104.4351058    -104.4351058    10339.07547
103.3907547    -103.3907547    10235.68472
102.3568472    -102.3568472    10133.32787
101.3332787    -101.3332787    10031.99459
100.3199459    -100.3199459    9931.674647
99.31674647    -99.31674647    9832.3579
98.323579    -98.323579    9734.034321
97.34034321    -97.34034321    9636.693978
96.36693978    -96.36693978    9540.327038
95.40327038    380.6590488    9920.986087
99.20986087    -99.20986087    9821.776226
98.21776226    382.558184    10204.33441
102.0433441    -102.0433441    10102.29107
101.0229107    -101.0229107    10001.26816
100.0126816    -100.0126816    9901.255474
99.01255474    -99.01255474    9802.242919
98.02242919    -98.02242919    9704.22049
97.0422049    -97.0422049    9607.178285
96.07178285    -96.07178285    9511.106502
95.11106502    230.406555    9741.513057
97.41513057    -97.41513057    9644.097927
96.44097927    -96.44097927    9547.656948
95.47656948    -95.47656948    9452.180378
94.52180378    520.8151388    9972.995517
99.72995517    -99.72995517    9873.265562
98.73265562    -98.73265562    9774.532906
97.74532906    -97.74532906    9676.787577
96.76787577    -96.76787577    9580.019701
95.80019701    -95.80019701    9484.219504
94.84219504    -94.84219504    9389.377309
93.89377309    260.4613266    9649.838636
96.49838636    -96.49838636    9553.340249
95.53340249    -95.53340249    9457.806847
94.57806847    -94.57806847    9363.228778
93.63228778    533.7040404    9896.932819
98.96932819    446.5990935    10343.53191
103.4353191    -103.4353191    10240.09659
102.4009659    291.8427529    10531.93935
105.3193935    -105.3193935    10426.61995
104.2661995    -104.2661995    10322.35375
103.2235375    -103.2235375    10219.13022
102.1913022    -102.1913022    10116.93891
101.1693891    -101.1693891    10015.76952
100.1576952    -100.1576952    9915.611829
99.15611829    454.0358657    10369.64769
103.6964769    -103.6964769    10265.95122
102.6595122    191.1520117    10457.10323
104.5710323    -104.5710323    10352.5322
103.525322    -103.525322    10249.00688
102.4900688    -102.4900688    10146.51681
101.4651681    431.8357553    10578.35256
105.7835256    557.7436388    11136.0962
111.360962    686.5960112    11822.69221
118.2269221    494.1885344    12316.88075
123.1688075    -123.1688075    12193.71194
121.9371194    -121.9371194    12071.77482
120.7177482    -120.7177482    11951.05707
119.5105707    -119.5105707    11831.5465
118.315465    -118.315465    11713.23104
117.1323104    -117.1323104    11596.09873
115.9609873    -115.9609873    11480.13774
114.8013774    -114.8013774    11365.33636
113.6533636    -113.6533636    11251.683
112.51683    -112.51683    11139.16617
111.3916617    -111.3916617    11027.77451
110.2777451    -110.2777451    10917.49676
109.1749676    -109.1749676    10808.32179
108.0832179    377.8589299    11186.18072
111.8618072    -111.8618072    11074.31892
110.7431892    446.0735659    11520.39248
====================================================================

So the CLOSING BANK is £11,520.39 under "LEVEL STAKES" compared to £ 14,145.86 with my attempt to apply TRSP.

A substantial difference in results.......



Obviously more STAKES are used with the RSP than are used for "LEVEL STAKES", therefore some might say this is main reason why the difference is so large.

The worst run of LOSERS was 13........a quite nasty run, and one that indicates TRSP has been "tested" when such a run happens. SO FAR on tests TRSP is still ahead of LS...........

Just thought I'd post this to indicate what might happen if TRSP used.

It is a real chore applying TRSP to work out stakes for each bet........not sure if I would have patience to do so in practice!!!

Where have I gone "wrong" on TRSP calculations?DevilLaugh

Gl with bets
Report No_BS October 19, 2011 10:37 AM BST
I am going to have a play with that spreadsheet over the next few days so will input your results and see what i get.
Report DFCIRONMAN October 19, 2011 10:48 AM BST
Thanks No-BSCool
Report Tightfisted October 26, 2011 4:47 PM BST
As an excercise (in futility?) how do I increase the bets in an Alan Keyte losing streak with the Top2rated (thanks) spreadsheet?
Report DFCIRONMAN October 26, 2011 7:19 PM BST
If there is no "edge" at all.........then don't bother !
Report DFCIRONMAN October 26, 2011 7:19 PM BST
Who is AK anyway ? Never heard of immmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm !
Report Tightfisted October 26, 2011 7:58 PM BST
DFC, if you bothered to get your stats in columns I might get bothered to read
immmmm mmmmmm
Report top2rated October 26, 2011 8:51 PM BST
DFC

I'm assuming your question re. Alan Keyte is genuine and not a wind up.  I'm surprised you haven't heard of him as his name has cropped up quite a few times on different threads on the General Betting forum over the years.

Anyway, AK is the Western Mail's racing correspondent and was one of 48 competitors who took part in the Racing Post Challenge Cup (Naps competition) which ran from Saturday 23 April 2011 to Thursday 20 October 2011.

On the morning of Saturday 15 October 2011 he was lying in 17th place in the table.  I think I'm right in saying that he's pretty consistent year on year as regards his ratio of winners to losers and that hardly any of the other competitors come close in this regard.  This was how he had fared prior to racing on Saturday 15 October.

    WON        LOST        N/R        LWR        LLR        £1 LS   
    87        80        8        5        4        -13.35   


Short odds winners, short losing runs but no profit.  Compare those stats to those of the competition leader that day.

    WON        LOST        N/R        LWR        LLR        £1 LS   
    37        132        4        3        16        +24.50   


One further piece of info.

On the day I've mentioned he was the only naps competitor to select Frankel (forecast at odds of 1/3 in the RP).  I think that fact alone tells you a lot about his selection strategy.
Report Tightfisted October 26, 2011 10:02 PM BST
Of course DFC know about immmmmmm, its just his 'Mummy look at Me' persona getting the best of immmmmmmmmmm.

The reason I asked this question, the divisor for an AK streak is 1.2, not 6. Do you add 1 after a loser or 1/6th of 1.2?
Report DFCIRONMAN October 26, 2011 10:30 PM BST
So yet another short odds backer making a LOSS! Though to be fair to him/her.....perhaps the odds shorten after they nap it!DevilLaugh

Check LINK below that gives example of what to do after loser etc etc

http://www.grandstand.com.au/retirementstakingplan/
Report Tightfisted October 26, 2011 11:22 PM BST
Here's something for all you long odds professional punters... DevilLaugh

    1000 Stk        10000 Bnk   
    230.96         10230.96    
    145.50         10376.46    
    602.06         10978.53    
    67.90         11046.43    
    135.31         11181.74    
    -1000.00         10181.74    
    185.27         10367.00    
    99.75         10466.75    
    -1000.00         9466.75    
    97.00         9563.75    
    126.10         9689.85    
    136.57         9826.42    
    342.48         10168.90    
    135.80         10304.70    
    -1000.00         9304.70    
    203.70         9508.40    
    237.74         9746.14    
    87.30         9833.44    
    203.70         10037.14    
    194.00         10231.14    
    97.00         10328.14    
    533.50         10861.64    
    194.00         11055.64    
    105.52         11161.16    
    133.69         11294.85    
    213.25         11508.09    
    417.10         11925.19    
    145.50         12070.69    
    -1000.00         11070.69    
    57.83         11128.52    
    87.30         11215.82    
    47.25         11263.07    
    279.64         11542.71    
    514.10         12056.81    
    126.10         12182.91    
    184.30         12367.21    
    250.80         12618.01    
    256.42         12874.43    
    249.65         13124.08    
    194.00         13318.08    
    -1000.00         12318.08    
    177.89         12495.97    
    -1000.00         11495.97    
    232.76         11728.73    
    368.60         12097.33    
    97.00         12194.33    
    126.10         12320.43    
    -1000.00         11320.43    
    106.70         11427.13    
    631.72         12058.86    
    319.58         12378.43    
    87.30         12465.73    
    145.50         12611.23    
    142.60         12753.84    
    -1000.00         11753.84    
    164.90         11918.74    
    465.60         12384.34    
    164.90         12549.24    
    465.60         13014.84    
    0.00         13014.84    
    -1000.00         12014.84    
    261.90         12276.74    
    242.50         12519.24    
    349.20         12868.44    
    106.70         12975.14    
    277.02         13252.16    
    -1000.00         12252.16    
    261.90         12514.06    
    -1000.00         11514.06    
    164.38         11678.44    
    124.73         11803.17    
    -1000.00         10803.17    
    -1000.00         9803.17    
    -1000.00         8803.17    
    776.00         9579.17    
    145.50         9724.67    
    307.61         10032.28    
    187.91         10220.19    
    173.16         10393.35    
    1667.26         12060.61    
    159.12         12219.74    
    -1000.00         11219.74    
    106.70         11326.44    
    106.70         11433.14    
    64.82         11497.96    
    67.90         11565.86    
    151.30         11717.15    
    174.60         11891.75    
    135.01         12026.76    
    388.00         12414.76    
    398.18         12812.94    
    164.90         12977.84    
    223.69         13201.53    
    77.60         13279.13    
    128.14         13407.26    
    -1000.00         12407.26    
    322.32         12729.58    
    320.10         13049.68    
    58.20         13107.88    
    67.90         13175.78    
    455.90         13631.68    
    397.70         14029.38    
    73.91         14103.29    
    -1000.00         13103.29    
    77.60         13180.89    
    87.30         13268.19    
    9.70         13277.89    
    155.20         13433.09    
    116.40         13549.49    
    543.20         14092.69    
    -1000.00         13092.69    
    57.03         13149.72    
    -1000.00         12149.72    
    65.45         12215.17    
    188.63         12403.80    
    235.78         12639.58    
    197.50         12837.08    
    173.79         13010.87    
    194.77         13205.64    
    67.90         13273.54    
    291.76         13565.30    
    0.00         13565.30    
    365.50         13930.80    
    87.30         14018.10    
    -1000.00         13018.10    
    826.47         13844.57    
    346.05         14190.62    
    235.25         14425.87    
    184.30         14610.17    
    -1000.00         13610.17    
    213.40         13823.57    
    174.60         13998.17    
    161.98         14160.15    
    58.20         14218.35    
    58.20         14276.55    
    106.70         14383.25    
    431.74         14815.00    
    58.20         14873.20    
    1261.00         16134.20    
    97.00         16231.20    
    0.00         16231.20    
    446.14         16677.33    
    348.85         17026.18    
    81.53         17107.71    
    223.10         17330.81    
    291.00         17621.81    
    232.80         17854.61    
    145.50         18000.11    
    145.50         18145.61    
    611.10         18756.71    
    184.30         18941.01    
    174.60         19115.61    
    56.42         19172.04    
    67.10         19239.14    
    38.80         19277.94    
    369.49         19647.42    
    126.10         19773.52    
    -1000.00         18773.52    
    -1000.00         17773.52    
    77.60         17851.12    
    174.60         18025.72    
    -1000.00         17025.72    
    213.40         17239.12    
    203.70         17442.82    
    97.00         17539.82    
    48.50         17588.32    
    -1000.00         16588.32    
    58.20         16646.52    
    58.20         16704.72    
    58.20         16762.92    
    -1000.00         15762.92    
    310.40         16073.32    
    -1000.00         15073.32    
    0.00         15073.32    
    194.00         15267.32    
    0.00         15267.32    
    29.10         15296.42    
    47.23         15343.65    
    48.50         15392.15    
    14.78         15406.93    
    -1000.00         14406.93    
    174.60         14581.53    
    194.00         14775.53    
    -1000.00         13775.53    
    140.52         13916.05    
    106.70         14022.75    
    -1000.00         13022.75    
    301.98         13324.72    
    106.70         13431.42    
    48.50         13479.92    
    94.50         13574.43    
    611.10         14185.53    
    120.88         14306.41    
    337.86         14644.27    
    261.15         14905.42    
    91.45         14996.87    
    126.10         15122.97    
    58.20         15181.17    
    213.40         15394.57    
    0.00         15394.57    
    455.90         15850.47    
    48.50         15898.97    
    446.20         16345.17    
    87.30         16432.47    
    271.60         16704.07    
    194.00         16898.07    
    -1000.00         15898.07    
    77.60         15975.67    
    126.10         16101.77    
    58.20         16159.97    
    242.50         16402.47    
    0.00         16402.47    
    135.80         16538.27    
    67.90         16606.17    
    261.90         16868.07    
    97.00         16965.07    
    -1000.00         15965.07    
    -1000.00         14965.07    
    106.70         15071.77    
    -1000.00         14071.77    
    -1000.00         13071.77    
    164.90         13236.67    
    67.90         13304.57    
    184.30         13488.87    
    223.10         13711.97    
    261.90         13973.87    
    -1000.00         12973.87    
    0.00         12973.87    
    281.30         13255.17    
    -1000.00         12255.17    
    58.20         12313.37    
    -1000.00         11313.37    
    38.80         11352.17    
    106.70         11458.87    
    970.00         12428.87    
    77.60         12506.47    
    67.90         12574.37    
    174.60         12748.97    
    562.60         13311.57    
    397.70         13709.27    
    223.10         13932.37    
    485.00         14417.37    
    0.00         14417.37    
    320.10         14737.47    
    174.60         14912.07    
    77.60         14989.67    
    97.00         15086.67    
    514.10         15600.77    
    1920.60         17521.37    
    116.40         17637.77    
    -1000.00         16637.77    
    184.30         16822.07    
    349.20         17171.27    
    271.60         17442.87    
    368.60         17811.47    
    0.00         17811.47    
    -1000.00         16811.47    
    426.80         17238.27    
    203.70         17441.97    
    349.20         17791.17    
    -1000.00         16791.17    
    145.50         16936.67    
    485.00         17421.67    
    -1000.00         16421.67    
    97.00         16518.67    
    863.30         17381.97    
    -1000.00         16381.97    
    135.80         16517.77    
    126.10         16643.87    
    737.20         17381.07    
    135.80         17516.87    
    87.30         17604.17    
    242.50         17846.67    
    164.90         18011.57    
    155.20         18166.77    
    -1000.00         17166.77    
    -1000.00         16166.77    
    649.90         16816.67    
    300.70         17117.37    
    -1000.00         16117.37    
    223.10         16340.47    
    87.30         16427.77    
    514.10         16941.87    
    1067.00         18008.87    
    -1000.00         17008.87    
    378.30         17387.17    
    213.40         17600.57    
    -1000.00         16600.57    
    863.30         17463.87    
    0.00         17463.87    
    310.40         17774.27    
    116.40         17890.67    
    194.00         18084.67    




All you've got to do is put the retirement plan into action... Cool
Report DFCIRONMAN October 26, 2011 11:53 PM BST
Have you ever used TRSP before with real money TF?


If not, what is your opinion on the set of figures above ......and also on the practicality of applying it bet by bet?
Report DFCIRONMAN October 26, 2011 11:56 PM BST
BTW - did you factor in COMMISSION when doing above figures?
Report Tightfisted October 27, 2011 12:16 AM BST
If I did the system, I wouldn't be asking how to calculate it (automatilcally on a spreadsheet).

Whats your commission rate, I'll do figures just for you with 100 stake.
Report DFCIRONMAN October 27, 2011 12:34 AM BST
4.6% but not been betting for some time as too busy working on stats+ other private stuff!
Report Tightfisted October 27, 2011 12:42 AM BST
Bank 1000

    -100.00         1569.99    
    84.91         1654.90    
    0.00         1654.90    
    30.53         1685.43    
    11.45         1696.88    
    19.08         1715.96    
Report DFCIRONMAN October 27, 2011 1:00 AM BST
Are above figures based on the losing points run?( If so....may shut some upDevilLaugh!)

Looks like better "plan" than the "lump on" one zip usesCrazy
Report DFCIRONMAN October 27, 2011 1:03 AM BST
Switching off now TF.....thanks for figs...and GL with bets.

G M the nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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