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Catch Me ifyoucan
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Australians have long punched above their weight at the Tour de France, delivering results well beyond what is expected from the limited numbers that are present compared to the bigger nations.

Eight Australians will be there for the Grand Depart from La Manche to compete in the highest profile event of the season and will again be looking to upset the odds.
Not everyone can be a general classifcation (GC) contender like Richie Porte (BMC) 18/1, but there will be plenty of other Aussies driving the action in France.

We will also be following..... #TasteleTour
http://www.sbs.com.au/food/article/2016/06/06/taste-le-tour-gabriel-gate
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Report Happybacker July 14, 2016 5:40 PM BST
Totally agree was the only sensible decision and one which I would imagine all or most teams would agree with.
As for Froome getting special treatment??? Ha ha you are funny nugget I've lived in France 5 years and believe me Sky are the least likely team to get any special treatment from organisers or fans over there! Far from it!
Report duncan idaho July 14, 2016 5:41 PM BST
great pic of situation immediately before crash

https://twitter.com/veloimages
Report casemoney July 14, 2016 5:44 PM BST
Insane there is no road ,deffo caused by Crowd MC has nowhere to go
Report Poppydog. July 14, 2016 5:47 PM BST
Think that photo is right at the time.

Think that's the Polish banner guy that seemed to be everywhere on the right.

So... that looks like a clear path, bar the 4 (5/6?) motor bikes ahead.
I wonder if this is purely another moto incident?
Report bb66 July 14, 2016 5:47 PM BST
Decision is made by UCI jury, not by the organisers (ASO). Froome still lost time by the incident, as Mollema also crashed.
Report Poppydog. July 14, 2016 5:51 PM BST
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnVowVjWAAE3XR5.jpg:large

Three riders on the floor

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnVhp7vXEAAeqMa.jpg

Froome's broken bike (that may have been subsequently knicked)

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/753617220664786944

Tweet from Froome - still in yellow
Report nugget July 14, 2016 6:17 PM BST
Riders behind got held up too why don't they get time an adjusted time as well.  What if Mollema had of been held up too, what time would they give Froome then.  Ridiculous.
Report nugget July 14, 2016 6:22 PM BST
from Bauke Mollema ‏

@BaukeMollema 7m7 minutes ago

"What's going on? Seems like everybody gets time bonuses. I wonder what would have happened if I would have been the only one to go down..."
Report nugget July 14, 2016 6:48 PM BST
So Froome gets adjusted time(same time as Mollema?) to be 47secs in front of Yates in the gc.  Surely Yates was held up by the crash too.
Report nugget July 14, 2016 6:52 PM BST
Froome would of been in the lead by over a minute after tomorrows time trial anyway but it's still the wrong decision.
Report Fela Kuti July 14, 2016 6:53 PM BST
Anyone know who the Secret Pro is on http://cyclingtips.com?
Report nugget July 14, 2016 8:02 PM BST
there are reports of someone in yellow and black running on the middle of the road disrupting the riders in the race near the top of the climb
Report nugget July 14, 2016 8:48 PM BST
The organisers need to do something about people running on the middle of the road during the race, could lead to accidents or injury, rider safety should be paramount.
Report GoBallistic July 14, 2016 10:01 PM BST
Fela Kuti 14 Jul 16 18:53 
Anyone know who the Secret Pro is on http://cyclingtips.com?

Not sure anyone knows for sure but the name that comes up most often is Greg Henderson
Report Catch Me ifyoucan July 15, 2016 12:07 AM BST
Not too sure Le TOUR will go ahead tomorrow after the Nice attack tonight.
Report padlock July 15, 2016 6:18 AM BST
Let them race and give them f room to race,crazy, france is a mess. RIP to lorry victims in nice
Report bb66 July 15, 2016 11:46 AM BST
some doubt about ITT IM times on le tourSad
Report bb66 July 15, 2016 12:00 PM BST
Cummings' 2nd IM could be wrong by 1'
Report nugget July 15, 2016 1:49 PM BST
wind is subsiding now
Report nugget July 15, 2016 2:10 PM BST
still windy but less so than before
Report nugget July 15, 2016 3:15 PM BST
After watching the crash from some different angles I think there was some rider error involved.  The moto stopped but there was definitely room to go around, Porte didn't have enough time to react because he was drafting the moto pretty close.
Report dom888 July 15, 2016 3:43 PM BST
There is no such thing like free money
But dumoulin 1.25 is almost free
cant see anybody getting close Not eventuell froome
Report nugget July 15, 2016 4:29 PM BST
The procession begins
Report KIMBLE July 15, 2016 11:37 PM BST
anyone know where marychain, clay davis, swinging pick et al have gone. diff forum?? they were real enthusiasts and of real value Plain
Report Catch Me ifyoucan July 16, 2016 6:12 AM BST
Obviously on the saddle more often
Report Catch Me ifyoucan July 16, 2016 6:48 AM BST
Is this going ahead during the 2 days of Mourning for Nice
Report nugget July 16, 2016 8:37 AM BST

Jul 15, 2016 -- 5:37PM, KIMBLE wrote:


anyone know where marychain, clay davis, swinging pick et al have gone. diff forum?? they were real enthusiasts and of real value


marychain is the #1 tipster and poster in the cycling forum I'm sure he'll be back.  never heard of the other two

Report nugget July 16, 2016 8:44 AM BST
I think Kittel can hit back today.  McLay at e/w odds in a suitable stage.  I find it a liitle odd that Greipel is the shortest quote he's been so far even though he's yet to win a stage.
Report Happybacker July 16, 2016 10:19 AM BST
To me Cavendish should  be favourite today and looks decent value at 3/1. Coming in to the tour I thought Kittel would dominate the sprints but he just hasn't looked in that sort of form. The only sprint Kittel won was when Cavendish got trapped further back (don't think Cav even finished in the top 10 on that stage). Every time they have gone head to head so far on this tour Cav has had his measure, mainly down to superior tactical nous, and so I see no reason why he wouldn't today?
Report nugget July 16, 2016 10:30 AM BST
Agree, Cav should be outright favourite.
Report nugget July 16, 2016 10:34 AM BST
Kittel not been the same since 2014.  Cavendish definitely looks to have taken a step forward this year compared to other sprinters, possibly could coincide with his Olympic ambitions.
Report Happybacker July 16, 2016 11:13 AM BST
To be fair Kittel had been having a great season this year, with 8 stage wins including the outright at Dubai, and looked unbeatable in sprints at the Giro. But it maybe that he peaked his season too early, as its got to be very hard to win so impressively in Dubai and then hold on to that form all the way to July??
He will probably go and win now today to prove me wrong!
Report GoBallistic July 16, 2016 1:25 PM BST
This will be a headwind sprint most likely.  You need to leave it late as possible before hitting the front.  That is usually in favour of Cavendish and also I think here it favours the likes of Coquard and the other young sprinters (McLay, Groenewegen).
Report Mooono July 16, 2016 4:46 PM BST
Cav does it again!! Kittel protests like a big beaten baby after he sees Cav fly past with a lot more momentum than he had.
Report Catch Me ifyoucan July 16, 2016 5:18 PM BST
Money man CAV Devil
Report padlock July 16, 2016 6:17 PM BST
Wtf are kittel and team using that same tactic though?
Report Racingqueen July 17, 2016 1:30 PM BST
There has been plenty of races where fans interfere with the riders and they don't neutralize the result.

spot on. Cancellara lost a Paris Roubaix cos he got stuck at a level crossing imho on year.

What happens on the road happens
Report nugget July 17, 2016 4:39 PM BST
Good win by Pantano the Colombians finally have something to cheer about in this race.  Big ride from Alaphilippe I think he should of won were it not for some bad luck.
Report nugget July 18, 2016 10:20 AM BST
Sagan in the break today or will he play it safe for the green jersey?
Report Cosmo Kramer July 18, 2016 10:29 AM BST
Albasini for today
Report nugget July 18, 2016 10:44 AM BST
good stage for him
Report nugget July 18, 2016 10:54 AM BST
another Swiss rider Cancellara is very short, I think he's from Bern
Report nugget July 18, 2016 11:10 AM BST
could be one for the classics riders
Report bb66 July 18, 2016 1:07 PM BST
noone wants it more today than Spartacus, Martin is doomed to fail.
Report bb66 July 18, 2016 1:07 PM BST
noone wants it more today than Spartacus, Martin is doomed to fail.
Report bb66 July 18, 2016 1:10 PM BST
the finish is taylormade for him, but Sagan and the likes of GvA, Kristoff will make it not that easy
Report bb66 July 18, 2016 1:24 PM BST
probably Martin is going to sacrifice himself for Alaphillipe
Report nugget July 18, 2016 4:28 PM BST
Sagan! nowhere but on the line
Report bb66 July 18, 2016 4:35 PM BST
Sagan puts Cav in his bagLaughTongue Out
Report bb66 July 18, 2016 4:56 PM BST
usually it is Cav who is seen nowhee but on the line, while esp in this forum Sagan is confronted with winning far too less compared to his efforts being tactically inapt, but he's shown he isn't!
Report bb66 July 19, 2016 11:44 PM BST
riders who leave the tour early should get paid only half their price money at best, going for early stage wins and then drop out is far too easy to be compared with what real champions like Merchx or Hinault have achieved!
Report nugget July 20, 2016 2:01 AM BST
At least Sagan is finally winning some stages, the green jersey wins he had over the last 2 TdF's were a bit hollow imo considering he didn't even win a stage.  Good to see he has rectified that and is getting the wins to match his talent and amazing consistency.  Since he became road race world champion he cant stop winning, he's certainly repping the wc jersey better than most have.
Report nugget July 20, 2016 2:10 AM BST
Cavendish (31yo) 30 TdF stage wins
                 15 Giro d'Italia stage wins
                 3  Vuelta Espana stage wins
                 --------------
                 48 grand tour stage wins


Sagan (26yo)     7 TdF stage wins
                 0 Giro d'Italia stage wins
                 4 Vuelta Espana stage wins
                 --------------
                 11 grand tour stage wins


a little respect please...
Report nugget July 20, 2016 2:28 AM BST
moving on to todays stage, stage 17 which although not the hardest stage has probably the hardest mountain top finish of the race.  I wonder what tactics Movistar will try to employ.  Many were critical of their tactics last year and it doesn't look like they've learnt their lesson. I mean what on earth were they doing on the Ventoux stage, Team Sky definitely seem to have them rattled.  It seems like their main goal is to get Valverde on the podium and win the team classification, it doesn't look like they believe in Quintana.
Report nugget July 20, 2016 5:16 AM BST
I think cycling is moving too far in the direction of F1 racing with regards to equipment.  Maybe they should look at standardizing sprockets/chainrings and do away with onboard computers.
Report nugget July 20, 2016 9:53 AM BST
stage 17

h2h multi
Yates @2.0 vs Valverde
Porte @1.65 vs Mollema
Aru  @1.75 ys Bardet

pays 5.8
Report Wildcat Army. July 20, 2016 10:26 AM BST
Hills have enhanced Froome to win Stage 17, 5/2 out to 4/1.  Think it's £25 max.
Report CJ70 July 20, 2016 2:04 PM BST

Jul 20, 2016 -- 4:26AM, Wildcat Army. wrote:


Hills have enhanced Froome to win Stage 17, 5/2 out to 4/1.

Report CJ70 July 20, 2016 2:05 PM BST
Sneaky. You pretty much could have guaranteed a break would go today unless Movistar/Astana killed themselves before tomorrow's TT,
Report bb66 July 20, 2016 2:19 PM BST
Probably teams are too big also to show vivid racing, should be not more than 5 or 6
Report CJ70 July 20, 2016 2:34 PM BST

Jul 20, 2016 -- 8:19AM, bb66 wrote:


Probably teams are too big also to show vivid racing, should be not more than 5 or 6


Would be the same problem as far as I could see. The strongest riders would still be on the strongest teams with less scope for tactics.

Report sixtwosix July 20, 2016 3:37 PM BST
Another follow the leader yawnfest , with none of the contenders willing to leave their comfort zone and attack until right at the end where if you are lucky you might make a few seconds .

It's a lot cleaner these days  , but crikey it also very dull.
Report nugget July 20, 2016 3:54 PM BST
Zakarin finally

although I thought he was going to crash there zipping his jersey up inside the final km.
Report Dope July 20, 2016 10:22 PM BST
I know Tom Dumoulin is a beast but not he should be so short (3.35, 2nd fav) for this mountain time trial. It's a 10.5km climb at 6.2%.

1st Froome, 2nd Porte for me tomorrow.
Report nugget July 21, 2016 8:34 AM BST
The time trial on stage 13 started with a 7km climb at 5% and finished with a climb of 3.3km at 5%.  Dumoulin was the fastest up the first climb and also had the fastest final split which included the final climb to the line.  He also won from a break on stage 9, a big mountain stage which finished on a 10.1km climb at 7.2%.  The climb was regular and he was dropped on the previous climbs but paced himself back each time.  Dumoulin took it easy yesterday finishing over 20 minutes behind the gc riders but the gc riders only really raced the final 5-6km and had a rest day 2 days ago so there's probably not a lot in that.  My initial thoughts were that Froome would be a certainty for this stage but the way Dumoulin has been climbing and going in general makes me think he has a chance here.

stage 13 TT splits

start to first intermediate- 7km @ 5.0%
Dumoulin
Porte +10
Oliveira +15
Clement +16
Boasson Hagen +17
Froome +17
Thomas +18


3rd intermediate to finish- 9.5km incl. 3.3km @ 5.0%

Dumoulin
Froome +15
Oliveira +35
Coppel +41
Dennis +24
Mollema +26
Thomas +50
Boasson Hagen +53
Valverde +1:02
Porte +1:05



Stage 18
Todays time trial(17km) - The first 4km are flat.  The next 2.5km are at 9.2%.  The next 4km are at 4%.  The next 4 individual km are 8.3%, 0.2%, 8.2%, 2.5%.  The final 2.5 km are slightly downhill.

So 9km out of the total 17km are less than 2.5% gradient. 4.5km of the course has a gradient over 8%. The other 3.5km's are between 4.3% and 5.1%. 

The irregularity of the climb wont help Domoulin but the flatter sections should favour him and he could gain time there.   

The first time check comes after 6.5km.  The final 2km's before that first time check are at 11% and 10.1% and could be decisive. The steep sections suit Froome and he'll certainly be looking to take his advantage there.  The greater number of flattish km's should suit Dumoulin but time differences are usually greater on the climbs than the flat which should favour Froome.  Tough call.
Report dom888 July 21, 2016 3:41 PM BST
small bet on dumoulin, the 3.7 you can get now doesnt look too bad
Report nugget July 21, 2016 4:29 PM BST
Big advantage for Froome by going after Dumoulin.  Paced himself the best.
Report nugget July 21, 2016 4:33 PM BST
I wonder how Froome would go if he used a normal chainring.
Report CJ70 July 22, 2016 2:25 PM BST
Not sure what Astana are doing today, this may be inspired or ridiculous
Report bb66 July 22, 2016 2:50 PM BST
Hope this is not the end of Dumoulin's olympic aspiratonsCryCry
Report CJ70 July 22, 2016 2:53 PM BST

Jul 22, 2016 -- 8:50AM, bb66 wrote:


Hope this is not the end of Dumoulin's olympic aspiratons


Looks bad. I really feel sorry for him. He couldn't have asked for a better route.

Report CJ70 July 22, 2016 3:24 PM BST
Pierre has no luck. Nasty off.

I'm starting to warm to him now he's not in the French team.
Report CJ70 July 22, 2016 3:32 PM BST
Porte down as well. Conditions absolutely horrendous, hope no serious injuries here.
Report CJ70 July 22, 2016 3:55 PM BST
Froome down.
Report Angela Rebecchi July 22, 2016 4:23 PM BST
40            £74
42            £115
44            £184
46            £217
48            £4
50            £112
55            £118

Bardet delivers Cool
Report nugget July 22, 2016 4:23 PM BST
allez Bardet

great ride
Report nugget July 22, 2016 4:24 PM BST
good overs on the exchange
Report dom888 July 22, 2016 4:33 PM BST
how short was froome traded today?
Report the swede July 22, 2016 4:36 PM BST

Jul 22, 2016 -- 10:33AM, dom888 wrote:


how short was froome traded today?


Froome was down to 3
Porte was down to evens small stakes thou

Report bb66 July 22, 2016 4:44 PM BST
Dumoulin said to have his wrist fracturedCry
Report bb66 July 22, 2016 5:23 PM BST
Astana working the whole day for nothing
Report GoBallistic July 23, 2016 9:36 AM BST
Astana were in a great position at one stage.  When Cherel and Bardet attacked, Diego Rosa was coasting on their wheel but for some unfathomable reason he chose to drop back to the Aru group.  On the climb Rosa cut Bardet's lead in half but had he been in front they had a much better chance of winning the stage
Report nugget July 23, 2016 11:48 AM BST

Jul 22, 2016 -- 11:23AM, bb66 wrote:


Astana working the whole day for nothing


true, but at least they tried something and it made the stage entertaining.

Who chases the break on stage 20?
I can't see Astana working all day again. BMC or Orica who have riders just off the podium may chase or Katusha or Etixx could chase for the stage win maybe?  Hard stage for breakaway riders to stay away with all the climbing but there's not a lot of incentive for the peleton to chase that hard.

Report CJ70 July 23, 2016 1:01 PM BST
The only reasons someone chases is to get the bonus seconds into play. After yesterday I doubt if Porte will fancy it and Orica don't have the team to do it. We are left with Astana and Movistar, the latter seems fundamentally unwilling to do any work so Astana seems the only hope.

Sky have Henao up the road which maybe interesting later in the stage if that break doesn't go that far out.
Report CJ70 July 23, 2016 1:57 PM BST
Astana working on the front, more to do with Kreuziger than a plan imo.
Report CJ70 July 23, 2016 3:27 PM BST
All that work by Astana and Aru off the back at the first sign of any pace.. Tactics!
Report nugget July 23, 2016 3:54 PM BST
Panatano's form is very dubious imo
Report nugget July 23, 2016 4:08 PM BST
Izagirre is a master descender in the wet as evidenced by his prologue win at Romandie and tt win in Tour de Suisse.
Report nugget July 23, 2016 4:09 PM BST
Salvage job for Movistar
Report nugget July 23, 2016 4:10 PM BST
meanwhile Sky neutralize the race for the podium positions
Report nugget July 23, 2016 4:13 PM BST
good ride from Purito, surprised Katusha didn't try and set him up for the stage win.
Report nugget July 23, 2016 4:15 PM BST
What a woeful second half of the tour.  Flat stages were so much better than the stages with gc implications.
Report nugget July 23, 2016 4:21 PM BST
Unlucky for Porte who would of finished 2nd on the podium in Paris if it were not for his puncture on stage 2.

Van Garderen really should of stopped and given Porte his bike.
Report nugget July 23, 2016 4:26 PM BST
Too easy for Froome.  US Postal are just too strong of a team.
Report Autocue July 23, 2016 9:42 PM BST
I think they should issue a new jersey at the end of each stage - the pink girl's blouse. Plenty of contenders over the last couple of weeks.
Report sixtwosix July 24, 2016 5:48 PM BST
Not one of the riders from fourth down made any attempt to grab a podium spot on the last racing day ......wft is that all about !
Report aledcaled July 24, 2016 6:06 PM BST
any value amongst sprinters today? Is Kittel spent?
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! July 24, 2016 6:37 PM BST
Yes

Gripel wins

Laugh
Report Racingqueen July 24, 2016 6:37 PM BST
jaysus what diabolical camerawork at the finish
Report CJ70 July 25, 2016 1:47 PM BST
Great for Greipel to salvage something at the end. What on earth the rest of the sprinters were up to is anyones guess.

Why did they neutralise the times on the last stage? Rodriguez fall? Preliminary results had him in 10th and then he got shunted back up to 7th.
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