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wondersobright
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early prices...

eng 1.61
pak 4.7
draw 5.8

jennings in the eng squad replacing stoneman

it amazes me how previous test failures and players with a f/c avg under 40 (jennings 34.1 from 100+ matches) keep on getting chances from the douchebags in charge of selection for england

I really have no idea why livingstone, clarke, lawrence etc (who all avg 40+ in f/c and are all young enough to be able improve) haven't got a game yet
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Report Whisperingdeath June 3, 2018 11:23 AM BST
Brave decision by third umpire!

Was out but they often shirk the responsibility!
Report Fatslogger June 3, 2018 11:23 AM BST

Jun 3, 2018 -- 11:06AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


Redded out!


Did you red out?

Report Whisperingdeath June 3, 2018 11:24 AM BST
you could see him rub the tips of his fingers while watching the screen afterwards
Report spyker June 3, 2018 11:24 AM BST
every freeze frame i see clearly shows the ball touching the ground - if that is out then there are many many more (from further away from the bat) that should have been given!
Report Whisperingdeath June 3, 2018 11:24 AM BST
sticky fingers!
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 11:39 AM BST
lets see if broad (for the 1st time in his life) can play for buttler & the team here instead of being an arrogant d1ck who thinks he can bat like viv richards
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 11:40 AM BST
nah arrogant d1ck it is
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 11:40 AM BST
just leave the ball ffs
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 11:45 AM BST
pr1ck
Report Cardinal Scott June 3, 2018 11:46 AM BST
Excited
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 11:46 AM BST
should be batting @ number 12 imo
Report tomtimtum June 3, 2018 11:50 AM BST
SHOT JOS
Report Fatslogger June 3, 2018 11:54 AM BST
Think that’s very unfair. England best off getting runs at both ends, and I say that with far too much green stuck on the draw. Once you’re 150 on just score fast.
Report Fatslogger June 3, 2018 11:56 AM BST
Come on Pakistan, bring that draw price in!
Report Cardinal Scott June 3, 2018 11:56 AM BST
I want some 12's Pak to get back to where I was.  NO EARLY WICKET and I should get that .......BIG IF!
Report Cardinal Scott June 3, 2018 11:57 AM BST

Jun 3, 2018 -- 11:56AM, Fatslogger wrote:


Come on Pakistan, bring that draw price in!


Yes thats OK too! Excited

Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 12:00 PM BST

Jun 3, 2018 -- 11:54AM, Fatslogger wrote:


Think that’s very unfair. England best off getting runs at both ends, and I say that with far too much green stuck on the draw. Once you’re 150 on just score fast.


cant score fast back in the pavilion

the last thing eng needed was broad & his flashing blade

Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 12:01 PM BST
just play properly and leave/defend
buttler can play T20 mode at the other end
Report johnnythebull June 3, 2018 12:03 PM BST
how many Pak going to get?
doubt this goes much beyond lunch 2moro
that's w/o weather interruptions
Report Cardinal Scott June 3, 2018 12:05 PM BST
Always the danger Eng could be 1.04 in 1 hour. Plain
Report Fatslogger June 3, 2018 12:10 PM BST
Have risked going slightly red results, on the pretext that the track and overheads look suited for batting and that 22 was too high to turn down but really because I’m a compulsive follower of the draw up, both when it’s sensible and when, like now, it isn’t.
Report Fatslogger June 3, 2018 12:13 PM BST

Jun 3, 2018 -- 12:00PM, wondersobright wrote:


Jun  3, 2018 -- 11:54AM, Fatslogger wrote:Think that’s very unfair. England best off getting runs at both ends, and I say that with far too much green stuck on the draw. Once you’re 150 on just score fast.cant score fast back in the pavilionthe last thing eng needed was broad & his flashing blade


That’s just hindsight, I’m afraid. If he’d scored a quick 30 (he’d already played himself in), that would have been just fine. He’s a fairly capable hitter. Highly unlikely to affect the result either way though.

Report Fatslogger June 3, 2018 12:16 PM BST
Different if a tiny lead, by the way.
Report Cardinal Scott June 3, 2018 12:24 PM BST
Sad
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 12:24 PM BST
That’s just hindsight, I’m afraid.
how is it hindsight when I've said it before his innings??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

If he’d scored a quick 30 (he’d already played himself in), that would have been just fine. He’s a fairly capable hitter
how many times has he done this please?

other than that monstrosity of a pitch @ the MCG

he is far more likely to play and miss a few times, hit a couple of shots and then get out for a single figure score in v little time
thus not allowing buttler to freely score at the other end

so we will agree to disagree on all your points, bar the bit about the result
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 12:25 PM BST
timber
Report tomtimtum June 3, 2018 12:26 PM BST
agree with wonder, no point playing a specialist batter at no.7 if the tail arent going to bat for him, Broad was poor!
Report sageform June 3, 2018 12:26 PM BST
Go Jimmy. No review needed there.
Report tomtimtum June 3, 2018 12:34 PM BST
Wow that pitch is dry
Report Whisperingdeath June 3, 2018 12:37 PM BST
Drop the number 4 batsman for Butler! Dont forget Bess was night watchman!
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 12:38 PM BST
bess Excited
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 12:39 PM BST
if you're good enough, you're old enough!! Cool
Report tomtimtum June 3, 2018 12:42 PM BST
Bess and Curran look very confident out there, would be nice if we could give some of the younger batters a chance too
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 12:44 PM BST
there are guys out there tom aged young to mid 20s averaging 40+ in f/c cricket
but for some people england don't pick them
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 12:44 PM BST
*some reason
Report tomtimtum June 3, 2018 12:46 PM BST

Jun 3, 2018 -- 12:44PM, wondersobright wrote:


there are guys out there tom aged young to mid 20s averaging 40+ in f/c cricketbut for some people england don't pick them


should try getting them early before county cricket ruins them

Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 12:49 PM BST
yep agree

and it goes back to what I posted the other day about contracting players

it needs to made v clear to players from a young age, either you are a (potential) england player or you are a (potential) T20 globetrotter

make your choice now...come and be an england player you are v welcome, you wanna be a T20 globetrotter that's fine as well feck off coz all doors are shut
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 12:51 PM BST
they are already better players imo but certainly in time livingstone (lancs), clarke (worcs), lawrence (essex) etc will show everybody they are better players than the likes of malan
Report tomtimtum June 3, 2018 12:52 PM BST
Looks a total guess this one to me
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 12:52 PM BST
its not out
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 12:52 PM BST
oops its glove!!!!!!!!!!
Report tomtimtum June 3, 2018 12:52 PM BST
wow, glove
Report Whisperingdeath June 3, 2018 12:52 PM BST
Yep Bess and the young Curran look like they could be decent batters. Unlikely Curran will be quick enough to be a front line strike bowler.
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 12:52 PM BST
most definitely OUT
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 12:53 PM BST
that was a tough 1 but fook me the standard of umpiring in this series has been diabolical
Report tomtimtum June 3, 2018 12:55 PM BST

Jun 3, 2018 -- 12:52PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


Yep Bess and the young Curran look like they could be decent batters. Unlikely Curran will be quick enough to be a front line strike bowler.


They looked confident and assured, moreso than any of the new batters we've tried recently.
Maybe it's an age thing? Tom Curran had the same attitude even tho he's far below test match level quality (at the moment)

Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 12:56 PM BST
its defo age
Report Whisperingdeath June 3, 2018 1:15 PM BST
I read you message about Galle btw!

Most unfair. maybe we should go to Columbo. Are you really staying out there for a month?
Report tomtimtum June 3, 2018 1:48 PM BST
Maybe 2 Excited
Report Whisperingdeath June 3, 2018 2:01 PM BST
Seriously T3?

You must have saved all your money since you started work and I daresay are going to get a girlfriend! If you are still shy of girls I will see how ayt's luck is for you and get him to put on a dress for you!
Report Whisperingdeath June 3, 2018 2:09 PM BST
Thrown some money at the run lines. the ball is not swinging as much as the first two sessions of the match. If they manage to bat long enough the ball will get softer and they should get 200 and I am in for quids! Scratched some of my loss back on Zverev! Grant would be proud. Is the pitch now a road?

Grant how do we feel about Sloane Stevens?
Report Cardinal Scott June 3, 2018 2:16 PM BST
Hopped on Durham in RLC

Meanwhile hoping for a Daddy Partnership here.
Report Cardinal Scott June 3, 2018 2:18 PM BST
At about evens on Durham, plenty of leeway  Excited

The air is going out of Englands balloon here.
Report Cardinal Scott June 3, 2018 2:34 PM BST
PlainSad
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 2:34 PM BST
cmon bessy
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 2:35 PM BST
looks stone dead
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 2:35 PM BST
oot
Report Cardinal Scott June 3, 2018 2:39 PM BST
Wheels have come off Durham at the same time as that wicket.  Double Misery!
Report Whisperingdeath June 3, 2018 2:43 PM BST
How's yer luck. Umpire gives out on the front foot if it was the other way round it is not out and then they change the ball and it is swinging and bouncing! Narrow margins. We were looking good there for a minor recovery in fundage!
Report wondersobright June 3, 2018 3:11 PM BST
reach tea yes/no?
Report VardonVoo. June 3, 2018 3:28 PM BST
Had a large waiting be at 1.1 so that 5th wicket was loaded with one-tick seethe. Uncanny how often that happens.
Report tomtimtum June 3, 2018 3:31 PM BST
Mikey slating T20, what a surprise!
Report B1GTONY76 June 3, 2018 3:44 PM BST
what time is tea today ?
Report tomtimtum June 3, 2018 3:56 PM BST
ouch
Report tomtimtum June 3, 2018 3:57 PM BST
nose looks cut
Report johnnythebull June 3, 2018 4:01 PM BST
v poor effort from Pak tbf

WTF do they think they are..England ffs?Grin
Report tomtimtum June 3, 2018 4:02 PM BST
Broad bullying Root again!
Report tomtimtum June 3, 2018 4:02 PM BST
missing leg by a mile
Report slip5 June 3, 2018 4:17 PM BST
i made a thread for the bangla vs afghan cricket game
Report tomtimtum June 3, 2018 4:21 PM BST
not being shown anywhere is it
Report Cardinal Scott June 3, 2018 4:23 PM BST
My small loss on this feels much worse when I look at how much time I've spent on it...............also my entry was 1.66 Eng Cry Good riddance to this game.Sad
Report johnnythebull June 3, 2018 4:24 PM BST
hope the boy Jos can continue his vein of form against stiffer opposition

should also persevere with Bess
Report Whisperingdeath June 3, 2018 4:37 PM BST
Yep very disappointed with Pakistan. I thought they were unlucky on the first day but to be fair have been completely out played by England. I have to say I got it wrong but managed to red out and make some money from that so not bad at all on betfair but I took a hiding on the run lines on Bet365 c'est la vie!
Report mafeking June 3, 2018 4:38 PM BST
buttler averaging 35 after today's knock. not too bad batting at 6 or 7 and keeping most of the time. considerably better than any of the new top order batsmen in the last couple of years
Report Charlie June 3, 2018 4:44 PM BST
WD
How did you make some money by redding out? That's a trick I need to learn.
Report posy June 3, 2018 4:44 PM BST
Paki batsmen hoisted the red crescent whilst still in the dressing room. Total capitulation ;looked a completely different team from Lords.
Report johnnythebull June 3, 2018 4:46 PM BST
Al Jazeerah job innit
Report tyco161 June 3, 2018 5:22 PM BST
Isn't it Ramadan or something? They will have been low on energy and concentration. No eating during hours of sun. Thats a tough ask playing a test match.
Report Whisperingdeath June 3, 2018 5:28 PM BST

Charlie 03 Jun 18 16:44 Joined: 01 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 22,109 | Blogger: Charlie's blog

WD How did you make some money by redding out? That's a trick I need to learn.


Charlie,

First of all those who fight and run away live to fight another day.

I used some of the money from the red out to back Zverev in the tennis at 1.69 and 2's. Recouped a third of my loss and also backed  Sloane Stevens. tbf I chickened out. I only bet a small sum on Stevens at 2.34 when I shoulda thrown the kitchen sink at it. That is the trouble with losses. They make you bold and and care free when you shouldn't or are  cautious and careful when you should be swinging! Coulda made fousands on the last two call's!
Report sageform June 3, 2018 6:42 PM BST
Shame there isn't a decider.
Report detraveller June 3, 2018 10:09 PM BST
I used some of the money from the red out to back Zverev in the tennis at 1.69 and 2's. Recouped a third of my loss and also backed  Sloane Stevens. tbf I chickened out. I only bet a small sum on Stevens at 2.34 when I shoulda thrown the kitchen sink at it. That is the trouble with losses. They make you bold and and care free when you shouldn't or are  cautious and careful when you should be swinging! Coulda made fousands on the last two call's!

That sounds like me from a year ago. You've got to be better than that WD. Don't go mugging to the tennis. Its a trap.
But just to boast a bit, I have sloane on the outright and Zverev as well(Zverev at 60 and 44 Cool)

As for this game, I am happy its over. Got my red down from 200+ to below 100 despite not being able to monitor my bets during play on day 2 and 3. Going back to the tennis outright again...
Report Fatslogger June 3, 2018 11:34 PM BST

Jun 3, 2018 -- 12:24PM, wondersobright wrote:


That’s just hindsight, I’m afraid. how is it hindsight when I've said it before his innings??????????????????????????????????????????????????????If he’d scored a quick 30 (he’d already played himself in), that would have been just fine. He’s a fairly capable hitterhow many times has he done this please?other than that monstrosity of a pitch @ the MCGhe is far more likely to play and miss a few times, hit a couple of shots and then get out for a single figure score in v little timethus not allowing buttler to freely score at the other endso we will agree to disagree on all your points, bar the bit about the result


Bit late to this. I hadn’t actually spotted you’d had the same view in prospect. I still disagree with it though.

How many many times has he done it? He averages 20 at a SR of 65 and has played about a million tests so really quite a few.

Don’t get me wrong, I think his batting has underperformed his talent partly because he’s often brainlessly aggressive, it’s just that actually this wasn’t a bad situation for playing his shots and one of his quick 30s would have been great. England didn’t badly need quick runs as it was hardly a declaration situation but neither was there any huge need to grind out every possible run in a tight game and even then it doesn’t hurt to score at both ends. What he did was fine, he just didn’t execute his shot well (cf the shot Buttler played early in his innings which should have had him caught midwicket).

Report Fatslogger June 3, 2018 11:38 PM BST
Sadly, I’ve just checked Broad’s batting list and I make it 39 times he’s scored 24 or more (okay, that’s somewhat fewer than 30) at a strike rate of 65 plus. His average is actually rather poor for the number of starts he’s got but then he does bat a long way down the order.
Report Fatslogger June 3, 2018 11:43 PM BST
Take it back, think it’s 36 times, 11 of which were under 30 (a quick 25 or so is his signature). It would actually be quite a useful number 9 contribution in a good side.
Report jucel69 June 4, 2018 12:25 AM BST
Had an inkling this might happen so I closed my position yesterday morning and went out for the day (sans phone!)
Got back when they were 6 down and didn't even bother going for gold.
All in all a decent result for me personally, which looked impossible half way through day 1.
Hopefully that's stopped the rot, April and May were vile months from a betting viewpoint
Report mafeking June 4, 2018 12:30 AM BST
broad's on the verge of 3000 runs. alright he's played plenty of tests but there's very few bowlers with that many runs

sure he's not really capable of playing a proper innings any more but as FS says he's slogged plenty of quick 20s and 30s in the last few years. bit of a myth that he's a walking wicket
Report wondersobright June 4, 2018 9:57 AM BST
it is a well known fact in cricket that broad's batting has gone off a cliff in the last few years

broad's last 20 innings in tests in eng (comparable conditions):

2, 0, 0, 38, 14*, 0, 5, 7, 3, 5, 0, 0, 57*, 5, 0, 13, 1, 17, 14, 7 (may 2016-june 2018)

scores
less than 10: 16
10 to 30: 4
over 30: 2

thanks but I'd prefer to see him leaving or blocking when on strike and allowing buttler to play his shots at the other end as the payoffs for the team are far greater using this strategy than they are to have broad slogging and occasionally getting useful runs himself

if its broad & anderson left at the end then I am with you 100% on your strategy argument but it is selfish and braindead I'm afraid with a batsman of buttler's class on 70+ not out at the other end
Report wondersobright June 4, 2018 10:02 AM BST
eng were 150ish in front at the time in the morning session of day 3 in a test where the bowling conditions have been good

there was no necessity to advance the game at the rate broad decided he would

it was selfish batting, and so typically selfish I might add
Report detraveller June 4, 2018 11:48 PM BST
Really looking forward to the India series. Eng don't look like taking 20 wickets if the conditions don't heavily favor them. It doesn't take long to make them feel ordinary. And they have scored 400+ twice in their last 10 tests(one loss one draw).
Report Fatslogger June 5, 2018 12:09 AM BST

Jun 4, 2018 -- 9:57AM, wondersobright wrote:


it is a well known fact in cricket that broad's batting has gone off a cliff in the last few yearsbroad's last 20 innings in tests in eng (comparable conditions):2, 0, 0, 38, 14*, 0, 5, 7, 3, 5, 0, 0, 57*, 5, 0, 13, 1, 17, 14, 7 (may 2016-june 2018)scoresless than 10: 1610 to 30: 4over 30: 2thanks but I'd prefer to see him leaving or blocking when on strike and allowing buttler to play his shots at the other end as the payoffs for the team are far greater using this strategy than they are to have broad slogging and occasionally getting useful runs himselfif its broad & anderson left at the end then I am with you 100% on your strategy argument but it is selfish and braindead I'm afraid with a batsman of buttler's class on 70+ not out at the other end


It’s a well repeated canard that Broad’s batting has gone off a cliff. That’s not quite the same thing, is it? He’s always been more of a hitter than a proper batsman, which is a shame but there you go.

I see you cherry picked your stats much as I did.

Buttler wasn’t actually on 70+ at the time Broad was out but he certainly was set.

Broad just bats like that. As I’ve said, this is a problem sometimes but wasn’t particularly here.

Report Fatslogger June 5, 2018 12:41 AM BST

Jun 4, 2018 -- 12:25AM, jucel69 wrote:


Had an inkling this might happen so I closed my position yesterday morning and went out for the day (sans phone!)Got back when they were 6 down and didn't even bother going for gold. All in all a decent result for me personally, which looked impossible half way through day 1.Hopefully that's stopped the rot, April and May were vile months from a betting viewpoint


Now that’s discipline. By contrast, I screwed a reasonable position to make only a small green when even a tiny bit of thought would have told me the draw was only likely to go up while England batted and that being on it with Pak batting was very high risk of green evaporating. Not a good test for me but at least I didn’t lose the nearly £4K I was red on England day 1.

Report wondersobright June 5, 2018 10:54 AM BST
apologies...you are right buttler was in the 40s when curran was out and broad came to the wicket...so its even more of a sin then for broad to play the d1ck role Crazy half an hour more of buttler and england were looking well in advance of 200 lead

this time its you who is looking with hindsight and saying it wasn't particularly a problem here

well yeah great eng won by an innings but if (and that is a huge IF) pak put together 350 2nd time around, then those runs that were potentially missed out on could have proved way more important than they actually were
Report wondersobright June 5, 2018 10:57 AM BST
and no I haven't cherry picked my stats, I've presented the bare facts that suggest since 2016 in 4 out of every 5 innings in england broad has been out in single figures...that's number 11 form

you can look to his knock in melbourne if you want, the series was dead and my nan could have got a 50 on that pitch
the same melbourne pitch that apparantly excused cook his woeful performance in the ashes which that apart from failure after failure after failure
Report trader pj June 5, 2018 1:19 PM BST
WHY have they put the tennis on ??!
Report Fatslogger June 5, 2018 7:56 PM BST
No, your accusation of hindsight is at least as wrong as mine was. I said after he was out that whatever approach he took was unlikely to matter so I’m not at all basing it on England winning easily, which was always highly likely. Your hypothetical that England could have been under pressure second innings is not much more valid than the counter that if Pakistan were going to bat long (and obviously it didn’t matter either way if they didn’t), that quick runs would reduce the draw risk, especially if bad weather intervened. It’s also clearly not the case that Broad was automatically going to get out playing attacking shots; that he wasn’t going to get out playing defensive shots (this gets forgotten a lot criticising players who get out attacking) and that Buttler wasn’t himself going to be out before they added many more, especially if Broad wasn’t scoring any.

While I’m pointing things out you’ve got wrong, you’ve just inadvertently shown that Broad did actually support Buttler adding more runs. I say it again, from 170 or so on, of course you want more but you don’t really need to be trying to bat conservatively to get them. Your aim, given the large amount of time left in that scenario, is mainly to maximise run expectancy, sure but there should be some intention to score quickly too, as long as that doesn’t have a big effect on expectancy. You wouldn’t, for example, particularly want the set batsman to block four an over unless they were real buffet balls then look for a single fifth or sixth ball.

Also, clearly you have cherry picked your stats. Why two years, not one or three or more? Why no away tests? It’s because it suits your argument, not because of any validity conferred by excluding one good score on a flat deck. In fact, he averages rather more at home than away and at a better SR. At least I owned up to my 24 plus stat being arbitrary and suiting my argument.
Report wondersobright June 5, 2018 8:55 PM BST
While I’m pointing things out you’ve got wrong
lol
Report wondersobright June 5, 2018 9:00 PM BST
Your hypothetical that England could have been under pressure second innings is not much more valid than the counter that if Pakistan were going to bat long
I countered that with the statement 'if and that is a huge if'

correct no away tests considered as batting versus the moving duke ball is a totally different ball game
and last couple of years used as his batting has suffered since being hit on the head (cannot remember exactly when this was so I just took the last 2 summers as my sample size, if you want to go further back then you must accept the relevance of stats dwindles the further you go back)

move on
Report Fatslogger June 6, 2018 11:10 PM BST
I countered that with the statement 'if and that is a huge if'

No you didn’t. That’s in no way a counter to the point I made about also considering the draw, even before you worry about the notion of countering something’s that’s not actually been said yet.

correct no away tests considered as batting versus the moving duke ball is a totally different ball game
and last couple of years used as his batting has suffered since being hit on the head (cannot remember exactly when this was so I just took the last 2 summers as my sample size, if you want to go further back then you must accept the relevance of stats dwindles the further you go back)


Yet Broad has a better average and SR at home.

The head injury was four years ago.

The sampling window issue is a complex one. Suffice to say though, that test careers aren’t long enough to draw remotely meaningful conclusions about recent form and the more narrowly you sample, the less valid your conclusions. So the opposite of what you say is probably more true.

move on

Really? At the end of a post not moving on?
Report wondersobright June 7, 2018 12:37 PM BST
and who the f uck are you to tell me what points I am and aren't making??

you really need to get over yourself

end of conversation, you are blocked
Report Fatslogger June 8, 2018 2:01 PM BST
Lol. Masterful bit of analysis. I just read what you post. If it didn’t cover what you later incoherently said it did you could blame that on me and block me but would be a bit of an odd reaction. Anyway, don’t suppose you’re reading this so I’ll cut it short.
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