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Report Cardinal Scott May 27, 2018 11:08 AM BST
That now looks a decent 1.13Love
Report TerryHurlock May 27, 2018 11:09 AM BST
not with Pak for me,safety first...two johnniesBlush
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 11:10 AM BST
the prices for this test have been fkin mad eng were 7/4 @ 1-0 trailing by 170 odd ffs
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 11:11 AM BST
I know pak have got history of busting a short 1 but jeez what exactly have you got running for you to add up to 7/4 ffs
Report TerryHurlock May 27, 2018 11:14 AM BST
i see draw at 15's before i went to bed last nightGrinthat fooker in the met office is creaming it
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 11:15 AM BST
all overski
Report TerryHurlock May 27, 2018 11:15 AM BST
BOOOM
Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 11:16 AM BST
even Pak can surely not contrive to not get this total even if they lose 9 wkts or is that now 8?
Report TerryHurlock May 27, 2018 11:17 AM BST
always a bit of drama...hope its done by the time IPL is over
Report TerryHurlock May 27, 2018 11:17 AM BST
*IPL starts
Report Fatslogger May 27, 2018 11:18 AM BST
Left a tip here laying Pak at 1.39. It jumped to 1.4r before play too so backed there but then laid again at 1.4.

Also, I know it’s fashionable to say Broad’s batting is rubbish these day but he’s clearly better than Wood.
Report TerryHurlock May 27, 2018 11:19 AM BST
Bess gonna get left stranded
Report Fatslogger May 27, 2018 11:19 AM BST

May 27, 2018 -- 11:10AM, wondersobright wrote:


the prices for this test have been fkin mad eng were 7/4 @ 1-0 trailing by 170 odd ffs


On the exchange? Never that short were they?

Report VardonVoo. May 27, 2018 11:20 AM BST
Pak will be p1ssed off that they may have to return their brown envelopes and avoid contriving a loss that would look too unlikely to be genuine.
Report TerryHurlock May 27, 2018 11:21 AM BST
Ouch
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 11:22 AM BST

May 27, 2018 -- 11:18AM, Fatslogger wrote:


Left a tip here laying Pak at 1.39. It jumped to 1.4r before play too so backed there but then laid again at 1.4. Also, I know it’s fashionable to say Broad’s batting is rubbish these day but he’s clearly better than Wood.


they are both useless imo

Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 11:22 AM BST
fats yep after 1 over of eng's reply when 1-0 they were 2.7x
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 11:22 AM BST
broadyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Cool
Report Fatslogger May 27, 2018 11:22 AM BST
That was pretty bad, mind.
Report TerryHurlock May 27, 2018 11:23 AM BST
nice work Abbas...i had all sorts of horror scenarios this morning
Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 11:24 AM BST
had a feeling this could happen
was not in Eng's favour..close of play y'day when they were in the zone
Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 11:25 AM BST
totally disrespectful,conspiratorial driven and fantasy prices on Pak going in to today
Report TerryHurlock May 27, 2018 11:26 AM BST
i wonder if england lumpers will carry on next test
Report VardonVoo. May 27, 2018 11:26 AM BST

May 27, 2018 -- 11:19AM, Fatslogger wrote:


May 27, 2018 -- 11:10AM, wondersobright wrote:the prices for this test have been fkin mad eng were 7/4 @ 1-0 trailing by 170 odd ffsOn the exchange? Never that short were they?


I had some bonus bets to use on the Sportsbook the other day and I was appalled at how poor the prices were. Most of the tennis odds for the RG winner market were half what they were on the exchange. Couple that with the fact that a £5 bonus bet (possibly given as compensation for a loss of real money due to a BF error) is only worth at best half that in expected value even if you could find a fair-priced coin-toss market, cos he bets are normally settled without the stake being returned.

Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 11:26 AM BST
I haven't once during this game thought there was any jiggery pokery going on

its usually pretty obvious if there is, like the other game here ie the broad 150, no ball gate
Report TerryHurlock May 27, 2018 11:27 AM BST
TIMBERRRR
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 11:27 AM BST
early bath Love
Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 11:27 AM BST
Pak are a frigging good team on their day..superb bowling
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 11:28 AM BST
VV if you have free bets to use best finding a big price poke that is unders to lay on here
Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 11:29 AM BST
smn amongst yeese will know...what is the lowest 4th inns test total that has not been chased down?
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 11:30 AM BST
sky showed it earlier johnny 85 I think some game in the 19th century though!!
Report anxious May 27, 2018 11:30 AM BST
Didnt Butler say England were confident of a sensational victory Laugh
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 11:31 AM BST
dom bess said 200 we'll be in the game Laugh pmsl
Report TerryHurlock May 27, 2018 11:32 AM BST
Laugh...i can laugh now but had to turn over when all the pre-match talk was going on
Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 11:33 AM BST
more to the point..what if these 2 hadn't put on their p'ship?

too much arrogance & entitlement pervading society today

these mofos should be in the stocks
Report TerryHurlock May 27, 2018 11:33 AM BST
43 mill matched,good start to the test season
Report wise-punt May 27, 2018 11:33 AM BST
what sort of fix conspiracy had been under discussion. sadly england out with 64 runs. lets see if pak make it over to line
Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 11:35 AM BST
how many wkts Pak gonna lose?
Report Cardinal Scott May 27, 2018 11:35 AM BST
Gosh we're terrible now Lanka routed Pak not long ago, Bayliss should offer a refund, we're the absolute pits.
Report TerryHurlock May 27, 2018 11:35 AM BST
6 down for me.
ive 0 my england red at 1.02.....64 is loads for PakCrazy
Report TerryHurlock May 27, 2018 11:36 AM BST
8 test loss in a row i heard earlier
Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 11:36 AM BST
was looking at Eng run lines last night 365 were 333.5..delusional

hope they got mullered
Report VardonVoo. May 27, 2018 11:36 AM BST

May 27, 2018 -- 11:28AM, wondersobright wrote:


VV if you have free bets to use best finding a big price poke that is unders to lay on here


Yeah I've figured that the higher the odds the less the impact of the stake-not-returned feature.
Not sure what you mean by "poke" though.

Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 11:39 AM BST
agree johnny there is far far too much privilege afforded to them
from an early stage I would centrally contract these guys...the offer being that wages are linked to both hard work and to team & individual success
also the contract determines that the players are doing what the ECB wants the players to be doing, not letting the players determining what they want to be doing (IPL etc)
if players don't want a contract and want to play global domestic T20 then off you go, we can manage without them
breaches of contract (criminal activity etc) means monetary & non-playing punishment or contract cancellation
its about time these precious nancyboys were sorted out imo
Report posy May 27, 2018 11:40 AM BST
No doubt in my mind that all the micky mouse stuff they play has ruined the proper game of cricket in this country and it'll only get worse with this 100 ball competition. Those who administer the game should be shot for treason.
Report Fatslogger May 27, 2018 11:40 AM BST

May 27, 2018 -- 11:36AM, johnnythebull wrote:


was looking at Eng run lines last night 365 were 333.5..delusional hope they got mullered


They set them by the market, don’t they?

You can still bet England below 200s.

Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 11:43 AM BST
VV...a poke is just another word for a bet

"a 6/1 poke" = a 6/1 bet
Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 11:43 AM BST
don't know about 'centrally contract'..wonders..more like get a contract out on the whole bunch

should cost you less than a pound really

u'd never make it as a high Court judge..way too stringent and lacking in empathyWink
Report posy May 27, 2018 11:45 AM BST
Root is one of the worse captains of England in my lifetime...they better be looking post haste to appoint someone who has at least an understanding as to how to bring in  discipline to the side and has some tactical nous. We'll be slaughtered by India.
Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 11:48 AM BST
Root is an absolute wimp..just look at the c*nt ffs

the old guard bowlers hold him in less than contempt

they do what THEY want to do

he has NO gravitas whatsoever

Eng'll be odds on again shortly
Report Fatslogger May 27, 2018 11:48 AM BST

May 27, 2018 -- 11:36AM, TerryHurlock wrote:


8 test loss in a row i heard earlier


They drew the second test in NZ and were close to a win. Lost an awful lot of others over the winter though.

Report jmdc May 27, 2018 11:49 AM BST
I love Beefy's flat, benign pitch!
Report Cardinal Scott May 27, 2018 11:52 AM BST
Root not leadership material & starting to ruin his batting.   India licking their lips
Report DStyle May 27, 2018 11:52 AM BST
ffs. people were still giving cook a break saying he was still learning the ropes after captaining the side 50 times.

I'd cut joe a little more slack. although it's clear, he's no hussain.
Report anxious May 27, 2018 11:54 AM BST
So its 2nd test at Leeds on friday , then August 4 tests against India ?
Report jmdc May 27, 2018 11:57 AM BST
Five tests against India - ridiculous time slot!
Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 12:00 PM BST
why could they not have a 3 test series between Pak & India here while they're both here?

would be good imo..just because this is the UK we don't HAVE to perforce watch these t0ssers
Report Cardinal Scott May 27, 2018 12:01 PM BST
Aus coming over to Blighty for some white ball in between...........must be down to pure greed that. Will be good trading however Excited
Report GRANTCKING May 27, 2018 12:04 PM BST
this is one of the most severe kickings ive ever seen, still cant work out why england were so short prematch and why root chose to bat in swinging conditions Laugh
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 12:05 PM BST
madness not to have any ODIs/T20s v pak either
makes sense to have a tri-series with either/both formats v india
then finish the summer off with the test series v india

but no we've got 2 tests v pak (should be 3) and then the fkin aussies are over again for more fkin ODIs v them zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 12:07 PM BST
is that Karius keeping?
Report jucel69 May 27, 2018 12:09 PM BST
His position is untenable imo, the only problem is there is no other fecker who can hold down a place, never mind a captaincy!
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 12:09 PM BST

May 27, 2018 -- 12:01PM, Cardinal Scott wrote:


Aus coming over to Blighty for some white ball in between...........must be down to pure greed that. Will be good trading however


it is complete and utter GREED
and frankly they are killing this rivalry thing with the massive overkill of tours
once every 4 years home & away is specials and has worked for 100+ years, it doesn't need tinkering for the sake of money grabbing barstewards

Report VardonVoo. May 27, 2018 12:12 PM BST

May 27, 2018 -- 11:43AM, wondersobright wrote:


VV...a poke is just another word for a bet"a 6/1 poke" = a 6/1 bet


"Poke" - cute! What markets would you recommend as close in odds between the Sportsbook and the exchange? You mean cricket runs or would I get closer prices on football overs/unders?

Report geordie1956 May 27, 2018 12:12 PM BST
English cricket at the moment is in a right mess...many of this lot aren't up to it but there is nothing better in the counties from what I see...perhaps we need to get some youngsters in the squad in the hope that they can be nurtured  and ignore results over a period of time (they can't get much worse anyway)...mind you bringing in young lads presents another problem because the current set up suggests the coaching  staff are inadequate at best
Report anxious May 27, 2018 12:12 PM BST
So nearly 2 months of one dayers and 20 over games , how thick is that , bring in the dough though for ECB  thats all that matters
Report Fatslogger May 27, 2018 12:19 PM BST

May 27, 2018 -- 12:04PM, GRANTCKING wrote:


this is one of the most severe kickings ive ever seen, still cant work out why england were so short prematch and why root chose to bat in swinging conditions


England’s home record is pretty impressive, especially in early season. Don’t get me wrong, I dug myself out of a big red hole by laying England hard and repeatedly so I knew the market was badly wrong once the first innings started to fall apart but still, pre match an inexperienced Pak side could legitimately have been looked at as easy prey with the bat and far from proven with the ball.

Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 12:21 PM BST
VV...if you are unrestricted on sportsbook then stick it on something like the outright market for the football world cup
I can think of better examples but croatia are 33s and 38 to lay...assuming croatia don't win this releases 80% of your free bet stake even if you are on 5% comm
you should be able to find better examples than that though where 90% of your stake is retainable
if its only a fiver free bet though I dunno if I could be arsed
Report VardonVoo. May 27, 2018 12:22 PM BST

May 27, 2018 -- 10:42AM, detraveller wrote:


market love


Thanks to this comment, I checked the market and got a decent lay of 3.65 before the start of play. Cheers for that. Must get two screens up in future.

Report Fatslogger May 27, 2018 12:26 PM BST

May 27, 2018 -- 11:22AM, wondersobright wrote:


fats yep after 1 over of eng's reply when 1-0 they were 2.7x


I’m so bad at analogue odds. Of course you’re right. I had too much England red to hit that price but it was mad. It’s been mad all game, mind. Working out what the idiots will think next to trade has been hard. I factored a lot of idiocy in by laying Pak pre play but wicket second over killed that ploy.  Think my 1.45 Pak back was in play after another 2-3 balls and the 1.5 in 2-3 overs.

Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 12:27 PM BST
has the IPL started early?
Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 12:28 PM BST
WP Pak
Report Fatslogger May 27, 2018 12:28 PM BST
A pretty heavy caning there.
Report Fatslogger May 27, 2018 12:29 PM BST
Just need a big win in today’s IPL and I could be nearly level on the weekend.
Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 12:30 PM BST
will be interesting to see the pre match odds 4 the next test and how they move in the formative stages and weather there will be such a bias as here
Report VardonVoo. May 27, 2018 12:30 PM BST
WSB - £25 after several complaints about certain cricket markets being putin play over an hour after they had started. I'll use your suggestion next time. A guy my gf used to work with had an entire spreadsheet of matched bets of small amounts but he was allegedly making £250 a month for several months until he got restricted by everybody.

Didn't realise BF Sportsbook would ever restrict their own Exchange customers - I never really have a reason to use the Sportsbook except for these occasional promos and compensatory bets.
Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 12:30 PM BST
who u backed Fats?
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 12:32 PM BST
assuming a decent weather f/c you would expect a bigger pre-match draw price
shorter pak and slightly bigger eng
my early thoughts 1.7 eng 6.8 draw 3.75 pak
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 12:34 PM BST
ok yeah 25 is worth trying to bank 22-23 of it
steer clear of horses imo as whatever horse you back will shorten if its tight to the exchange price
Report Fatslogger May 27, 2018 12:34 PM BST

May 27, 2018 -- 12:30PM, johnnythebull wrote:


who u backed Fats?


I appear to be on CSK for the toss and SRH bet for the game not matched yet.

Report Cardinal Scott May 27, 2018 12:36 PM BST
I'm more inclined to go the royal london cup than IPL since I am heavily in loss on IPL Shocked
Report VardonVoo. May 27, 2018 12:36 PM BST
@ FS - I hate fractional odds. 3-1 etc is fine but when they start quoting 11/7 I just feel it's designed to confuse, so you can't assess the over-round so easily. I'd much prefer if digital odds were quoted without the stake though, then the inversions would be simpler 0.33 inverts to 3.0 (i.e. 3-to-1) instead of 1.33 being the opposite of 4.0 by subtracting 1 first inverting it then adding 1 back.
Report johnnythebull May 27, 2018 12:36 PM BST
i've doubled Pak with CSK(who have a poor record bar twice in IPL finals)
SRH should've been beaten by KKR..maybe it's their time
Report VardonVoo. May 27, 2018 12:39 PM BST
Your Eminence - do you only ever back the outsider in IPL or are you getting shafted backing favourites?
If it's bent (as if?) surely laying short odds should pay off over time, no?
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 12:39 PM BST
oh no not this about the toss again CryCryCryCryCryCryCryCryCryCry change the fkin record
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 12:40 PM BST
beefy we know you'd have bowled 1st ffs
and if it had gone wrong you'd have crawled back under your rock
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 12:42 PM BST
agree nass
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 12:42 PM BST
kick the counts up the arse & tell them this aint fkin good enough
Report sageform May 27, 2018 12:43 PM BST
If the weather conditions were the problem on Thursday, why didn't they bat any better yesterday? The third day with the sun out should have been ideal.
Report Cardinal Scott May 27, 2018 12:44 PM BST
VV Just an all round mess, no real strategy and reversing and double reversing....actually the last 1/2 done better, might be slightly up.
Report wondersobright May 27, 2018 12:44 PM BST
the conditions for batting weren't great on friday either and pak managed perfectly well enough
blaming the toss is just looking to deflect the blame imo, which this england team are v good at btw
Report hitlerwinsagainlolol May 27, 2018 1:12 PM BST
Backed 60 plus runs at 20 overs for Pakistan in 2nd innings and it's been voided.

Can't even find the bet no more
Report mafeking May 27, 2018 2:10 PM BST
the toss a red herring. bat properly make somewhere near 300 and england would probably have won comfortably

these must be the darkest days for our test side since 1999. that was a poor side but this team should be be doing so much better. some average to poor players but root, anderson and maybe stokes (although not in the form since his self inflicted absence) would arguably make a world XI
Report Fatslogger May 27, 2018 2:23 PM BST

May 27, 2018 -- 12:36PM, VardonVoo. wrote:


@ FS - I hate fractional odds. 3-1 etc is fine but when they start quoting 11/7 I just feel it's designed to confuse, so you can't assess the over-round so easily. I'd much prefer if digital odds were quoted without the stake though, then the inversions would be simpler 0.33 inverts to 3.0 (i.e. 3-to-1) instead of 1.33 being the opposite of 4.0 by subtracting 1 first inverting it then adding 1 back.


Yeah, completely agree with that.

Beefy is such an idiot.

Report detraveller May 27, 2018 7:28 PM BST
Im back. I learnt a lesson today in not being overconfident and leaving a position open when going out. I had 2k Eng green which I wanted to transfer to Pakistan at 1.47. As I had to go out I reduced it to 1.43 thinking after one over Pak price will be there. It never touched that. And it means I have given away a few hundred green. Anyhow, still a good win thanks to Pakistan's first innings bowling performance. A nation that just keeps producing fast bowlers at will.
Report detraveller May 27, 2018 8:09 PM BST
Next match at headingley. From what I remember the place is famous for bowling friendly conditions, right?
Report Fatslogger May 28, 2018 9:02 AM BST

May 27, 2018 -- 8:09PM, detraveller wrote:


Next match at headingley. From what I remember the place is famous for bowling friendly conditions, right?


It’s a look up not down track, famously, although I think it swings less than it did even if cloudy / humid. Like all English tracks though, there will be enough help for fast bowlers.

Report posy May 28, 2018 12:47 PM BST
Early market for 2nd test has England 1.62 which has to be an initial lay for me
Report detraveller May 28, 2018 12:57 PM BST
Headingley always reminds me of Dean Headley(probably because the name rhymes). Still have that picture of him in my head, that I saw in an English newspaper, bowling against NZ in 1999.
Report Whisperingdeath May 29, 2018 7:01 AM BST
The market for this match was in total denial until the morning of day 4 which turned out to be the last day. I tried to get a draw lay in at 15.5 but missed it. Too greedy! The new ball was due and England were 6 wickets down and lead by something like 50 were less than 4's. It was like that for most of the Test, utter madness.

I regret my unusual caution. Still it was a nice easy win and I didn't have to green out.
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