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pxb
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Australia short priced to win what is a more random format than Tests. A DayNighter, although batting under lights shouldn't be much of a disadvantage.

England's problem remains the same - a bowling attack that is unlikely to be good enough.

Can't oppose Aus and will look to get on at a higher price.
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Report jucel69 January 14, 2018 6:54 AM GMT
Quite a bit of pace in the wicket, not convinced it will be an easy start
Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 6:55 AM GMT
We Aus layers should get a run for out money, 10 Eng bats & even no 11 can hold the stick.
Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 6:56 AM GMT
If Hazelwood was in with his accuracy I wouldn;t be laying Aus but he isn't! ExcitedGrin
Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 6:58 AM GMT
Got layed as low as 1.28, I can actually go green but holding!
Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 7:30 AM GMT
Roy has been PiSS Poor for most of last year, when will the worm turn?
Report BJT January 14, 2018 7:33 AM GMT
Having a little play on the 10 over total market. 
Laid 45 + and 50 +. 
Looking for an early wicket or 2.
Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 7:40 AM GMT
Scaling out starts now!
Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 7:41 AM GMT
3 mins ago was doing more Aus laying at 1.41
Report ayt January 14, 2018 7:41 AM GMT
was it? aftertimings allGrin
Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 7:43 AM GMT
No aftertiming here Ayt.........read history of entire thread, all about me opposing Aus!  ****Beforetiming*** dear Ayt!!!
Report ayt January 14, 2018 7:43 AM GMT
Laugh
Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 7:44 AM GMT
Grin
Report jucel69 January 14, 2018 7:45 AM GMT
Grin
Report TerryHurlock January 14, 2018 7:46 AM GMT
first ball i see a 6666
Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 7:48 AM GMT
666666666666666666666
Report jucel69 January 14, 2018 7:49 AM GMT
this is unreal!!
Report TerryHurlock January 14, 2018 7:49 AM GMT
i see your on CS
good to see Bairstow up the order too
Report jucel69 January 14, 2018 7:50 AM GMT
Glad I kept my lay, I was really unsure
Report jucel69 January 14, 2018 7:50 AM GMT
I've greened up now at 1.66
Report TerryHurlock January 14, 2018 7:50 AM GMT
ive missed the boat here
juce on too...come on England
Report BJT January 14, 2018 7:52 AM GMT
Couldn't even trade out of my silly 10 over lays rotflmfao.
Fortunately, got on the England train and easily covered them and then some.
Report jucel69 January 14, 2018 7:52 AM GMT

Jan 14, 2018 -- 1:50AM, TerryHurlock wrote:


ive missed the boat herejuce on too...come on England


Haven't made a lot in the whole game. Had a bit of a mare on Aus's runs. Got too cute trying to hedge with match odds.
This has brought me back to a small net green

Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 7:52 AM GMT

Jan 14, 2018 -- 1:49AM, TerryHurlock wrote:


i see your on CSgood to see Bairstow up the order too


Yep ,,,I was worried about Roy but looking tasty today!

Report jucel69 January 14, 2018 7:53 AM GMT
That was a lot of money made back in 10 minsGrin
Report jucel69 January 14, 2018 7:54 AM GMT
they don't like it up em'Laugh
Report BJT January 14, 2018 7:54 AM GMT
Ok, off for a little.  Wait for a wicket, then start again.
Report cricketnut2 January 14, 2018 7:54 AM GMT
Despite the commentators and studio experts saying that 305 is a big score it just isn't, 305 is a below par score especially on a good batting surface
Report jucel69 January 14, 2018 7:55 AM GMT
out
Report TerryHurlock January 14, 2018 7:55 AM GMT
nice one all...i should've got up earlier
Cry
Report jucel69 January 14, 2018 7:55 AM GMT
I was worried about the pace. Wood and Plunkett really hurried the batsmen
Report sageform January 14, 2018 7:56 AM GMT
Can't believe how the luck has come England's day. Gone from 3.05 between innings to 1.6 in 5 overs! They need to calm down now. At least Bairstow is not a key batsman.
Report jucel69 January 14, 2018 7:56 AM GMT
poor shot
Report jucel69 January 14, 2018 7:56 AM GMT
If Eng go odds against again I will get back on
Report jucel69 January 14, 2018 7:58 AM GMT
Is Baz the England coach ??
Report TerryHurlock January 14, 2018 7:59 AM GMT

Jan 14, 2018 -- 1:55AM, jucel69 wrote:


I was worried about the pace. Wood and Plunkett really hurried the batsmen


ta,will be watching test but keep an eye on he odds

Report TerryHurlock January 14, 2018 7:59 AM GMT
LaughBaz for test coach too
Report ayt January 14, 2018 8:01 AM GMT
Gsm australia
Report jucel69 January 14, 2018 8:02 AM GMT
another gone
Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 8:02 AM GMT
1 more quickly and I will worry where this is going!
Report sageform January 14, 2018 8:03 AM GMT
Oh dear, they only need 5.6 an over so see the quicks off and play sensibly! Root and Morgan key now.
Report jucel69 January 14, 2018 8:05 AM GMT

Jan 14, 2018 -- 2:03AM, sageform wrote:


Oh dear, they only need 5.6 an over so see the quicks off and play sensibly! Root and Morgan key now.


got carried away!

Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 8:08 AM GMT
That was a clumsy heave by Roy just now.
Report BJT January 14, 2018 8:10 AM GMT
1.7 to 2 to 1.8 on the back of 6 runs in 2 overs....
Report BJT January 14, 2018 8:11 AM GMT
sorry, 8 balls.
Report sageform January 14, 2018 8:17 AM GMT
Can't believe Aus. are marginal favourites again. Surely with sensible batting England can get 5.5 an over.
Report sageform January 14, 2018 8:19 AM GMT
One boundary from Root and it is back to 1.9 England!
Report BJT January 14, 2018 8:22 AM GMT
Ouch.  the 1.33 lay for 45 runs and over after 10 overs only just missed..BlushBlush
Report DStyle January 14, 2018 8:36 AM GMT
nothing silly now england. play out these next 20 and we're home.
Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 8:37 AM GMT
Still lots of opposition to Eng here in the market.
Report cricketnut2 January 14, 2018 8:53 AM GMT
I haven't got a clue why, England scoring around 5 an over now, since the destruction overs and as has been seen its quite easy to get 10 an over off the last 5 overs with wickets in hand. England cruising currently
Report BJT January 14, 2018 8:59 AM GMT
Because they don't have wickets in hand and 10 overs left.??
Report BJT January 14, 2018 9:00 AM GMT
Or 5 even.
Report BJT January 14, 2018 9:03 AM GMT
43 from the last 10 overs.
Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 9:22 AM GMT
Unbelievable! Eng went to 1.74 there!
Report FredRescue January 14, 2018 9:25 AM GMT
Why is there no umpires call if it is just outside the line or just missing the stumps after an out call?
Report BJT January 14, 2018 9:25 AM GMT
Because it was outside the line.  Not maybe outside, clearly.
Report cricketnut2 January 14, 2018 9:26 AM GMT
Clearly hit him outside the line, must admit I gave it out, but replay showed I was wrong.
Report FredRescue January 14, 2018 9:26 AM GMT
So why is there umpires call on a not out decision?
Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 9:27 AM GMT

Jan 14, 2018 -- 3:26AM, FredRescue wrote:


So why is there umpires call on a not out decision?


See post above yours!

Report TerryHurlock January 14, 2018 9:28 AM GMT
WD Roy
Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 9:30 AM GMT
Yep Roy did us Aus layers  massive favour with that early onslaught.
Report cricketnut2 January 14, 2018 9:30 AM GMT

Jan 14, 2018 -- 3:26AM, FredRescue wrote:


So why is there umpires call on a not out decision?


Umpires call, comes when the ball is hitting the wicket, if he's given it out and the ball is even grazing the stumps he is out, if he gives it not out, the ball has to be hitting at least  half of the stumps or half of the top of the bails.

Report FredRescue January 14, 2018 9:36 AM GMT
Yes so why is it favoured for the batsman?
Report FredRescue January 14, 2018 9:37 AM GMT
ie. it is not to with the accuracy of the original umpires call and tolerance of that
Report cricketnut2 January 14, 2018 9:38 AM GMT
Because the ball clearly hit him outside the off stump and he was deemed to be playing a shot at the ball. If the ball hits a batsmen outside the off stump and he is playing a shot, he is not out.
Report FredRescue January 14, 2018 9:40 AM GMT
Yes but if the DRS system shows the ball is hitting the stumps. Then the batsman can still be given not out
Report BJT January 14, 2018 9:40 AM GMT
???
Report FredRescue January 14, 2018 9:41 AM GMT
The batsman gets a tolerance of half a ball in the event of a challenge to an umpire decision, but bowler does not
Report TerryHurlock January 14, 2018 9:42 AM GMT
sydney harbour bridge from Finchy
Report cricketnut2 January 14, 2018 9:42 AM GMT
Not if it hit him outside the line of off stump, because even though the ball was going on to hit the stumps, its not out, not out, not out.
Report BJT January 14, 2018 9:43 AM GMT
They have the same zone.  They don't use different zones for the batsmen and the bowler.

If it is clearly out of the zone, then it is determined that way.  If it is in the zone, it is umpires call.  And when it is clearly in line, then it is called that way.
Report FredRescue January 14, 2018 9:43 AM GMT
Yes but if DRS proves a ball is hitting the stumps it can still be given not out
Report FredRescue January 14, 2018 9:45 AM GMT
Does DRS assume it takes at least 50% of a ball to dislodge a bail? Just trying to understand the rationale
Report BJT January 14, 2018 9:45 AM GMT
Of course it can be given not out.  It just was.  If the only criteria for an lbw is it hitting the stumps, then it has to be not out.  That is the point.
What exactly are you trying to ask or say?
Report BJT January 14, 2018 9:45 AM GMT
No, it is margin of error for the algorithm of the ball tracker.
Report sageform January 14, 2018 9:46 AM GMT
Not out. Move on. England still bossing it.
Report BJT January 14, 2018 9:47 AM GMT
They are effectively saying, when it is close, this is the zone we believe to be 100% accurate, and this is the zone where we will not place 100% confidence in the system, and will not overrule an umpire in that zone.
Report cricketnut2 January 14, 2018 9:48 AM GMT
It has to him him in line and be going on to hit the stumps. Unless a) THE BATSMEN IS PLAYING NO SHOT IN THE OPINION OF THE UMPIRE or b) THE BALL HAS PITCHED OUTSIDE THE BATSMANS LEG STUMP.
Report BJT January 14, 2018 9:48 AM GMT
That decision, was in the zone where they have 100% confidence that it was not in line.  If it was closer, and in the zone of margin of error, it would have been considered umpires call, meaning they were not convinced to overrule the umpire in that zone.
Report cricketnut2 January 14, 2018 9:51 AM GMT
A BATSMEN CANNONT BE GIVEN OUT IF THE BALL PITCHES OUTSIDE THE LEG STUMP, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE BALL IS GOING.
Report cricketnut2 January 14, 2018 9:52 AM GMT
That should have read.
Report cricketnut2 January 14, 2018 9:56 AM GMT
England now easing to victory unless we have one of our dramatic collapses, however only Wood doesn't bat in this side.
Report BJT January 14, 2018 10:00 AM GMT
Yeah and I am all traded out, and hungover big time, so calling it a night here.  Pretty good result....
Report TerryHurlock January 14, 2018 10:08 AM GMT
444444
Report TerryHurlock January 14, 2018 10:08 AM GMT
makes a pleasent change after sitting through the ashes
Report tomtimtum January 14, 2018 10:09 AM GMT
Easy win
Report tomtimtum January 14, 2018 10:12 AM GMT
Still remember that Robin Smith innings, what a performance that was
Report cricketnut2 January 14, 2018 10:18 AM GMT
This is the cricket, that we're strongest at and have a fair chance of lifting the next World Cup. When I saw that Australia got 304, I thought that England ought to get these, as 304 is not a big score these days.
Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 10:32 AM GMT
This is a crushing defeat for Aus in Aus, they don't usually get a hammering like this at home.
Report FredRescue January 14, 2018 10:34 AM GMT
BJT 14 Jan 18 09:48 Joined: 30 Oct 04 | Topic/replies: 25,181 | Blogger: BJT's blog
That decision, was in the zone where they have 100% confidence that it was not in line.  If it was closer, and in the zone of margin of error, it would have been considered umpires call, meaning they were not convinced to overrule the umpire in that zone.


You are not understanding my point.

If a decision is out, and the ball is shown to be missing the stumps by a hairs breadth, it is overturned to not out isn't it?
But if a decision is not out and it is shown the ball is hitting the stumps 49% it is still not out.

How so if there is margin for error allowed for and the whole point is to remove howler decisions?
Report TerryHurlock January 14, 2018 10:36 AM GMT
200  for Roy?
Report FredRescue January 14, 2018 10:43 AM GMT
"Highest score by any Englishman in ODIs", he is a Saffer FFS! Cry
Report Cardinal Scott January 14, 2018 10:45 AM GMT
He is not like a KP Saffer Johnny Come Lately type of Saffer, came here when he was 10 and is a product of english cricket.
Report jumper3 January 14, 2018 11:18 AM GMT
Only watched bits of this. Was it a sell out and the locals mostly left once England took control? I could swear when I tuned in during the later part of the Aussie innings there was a good crowd there but later on, they were gone.
Report hologon January 14, 2018 12:02 PM GMT
J3 qbout 45000 allegedly
Report Fatslogger January 14, 2018 4:40 PM GMT
After timing but I didn't have a single bet on this!  Should have had a packet on England when Roy reviewed the lbw as looked outside the line of off stump to me.  Fine effort from England anyway, Roy especially, even though he did have a fair chunk of luck.
Report pxb January 14, 2018 4:52 PM GMT
Well done CS. You were on this early doors.
Report Fatslogger January 14, 2018 5:16 PM GMT
He was spot on, although could have been very different indeed if Roy's luck had run out on any of the several occasions it held.  It's certainly true that this England side has outstanding batting and the attack isn't too bad, although it's got less resilience and variety without Stokes and of course the batting is weaker too. Kind of amazing and illustrative of just how good England is with Stokes that the win was achieved so comfortably without him, given that he's probably one of the most valuable half dozen one day players in the world.  His batting and fielding are outstanding and he's a decent bowling option too.
Report pxb January 14, 2018 10:16 PM GMT
I noticed Stokes is in the squad for the T20s.
Report BJT January 15, 2018 8:51 AM GMT

Jan 14, 2018 -- 4:34AM, FredRescue wrote:


BJT 14 Jan 18 09:48 Joined: 30 Oct 04 | Topic/replies: 25,181 | Blogger: BJT's blogThat decision, was in the zone where they have 100% confidence that it was not in line.  If it was closer, and in the zone of margin of error, it would have been considered umpires call, meaning they were not convinced to overrule the umpire in that zone.You are not understanding my point.If a decision is out, and the ball is shown to be missing the stumps by a hairs breadth, it is overturned to not out isn't it?But if a decision is not out and it is shown the ball is hitting the stumps 49% it is still not out.How so if there is margin for error allowed for and the whole point is to remove howler decisions?


Not sure you are understanding your point either.

Depending on the umpires decision, there are zones in place that will overturn an umpire, and zones that won't overturn an umpire.

In your examples, I would say the margin of error is half a ball?  No?

If a decision is out, and the ball is shown to be missing the stumps by a hairs breadth, it is overturned to not out isn't it?
Margin of error being half a ball, missing by a hairs breadth, means more than 49% of the ball is hitting right?

But if a decision is not out and it is shown the ball is hitting the stumps 49% it is still not out.
Oh look, margin of error half a ball again.  In the zone where they aren't going to overturn the umpires decision.

Of course that isn't the real answer, but is an answer that easily explains your question given your examples.

There is a definitive zone where the 3rd umpire has ultimate power.  There are zones where decisions can't be overturned.
It really is much more simple than your supposed confusion.

The system isn't in place to decide the complete result of a wicket.  It is in place, to find if an umpire was definitively wrong in the decision they made, otherwise, on field umpire still rules the roost.

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