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ufcdan
15 Jan 19 18:18
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For me May as a remainer is doing her best, as for Corbyn going against something he believes in for his own gains. Not the good of the country
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Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 10:41 PM GMT
A labour mp stood in a minutes silence to honour the 8 ira men shot dead by the sas. mr corbyn 38 joined a 200 strong party at conway hall to honour the dead shot at loughall
Report ufcdan January 16, 2019 10:41 PM GMT
Lol how can you possibly be that naive the British governments were talking to the Ira all the way through the conflict


Ffs anxious are really that naive? Of course the government was talking to them, but the difference is unlike Corbyn they had the power to make deals. Enemy of the state was just sh1tstirring
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 10:42 PM GMT
mr corbyn then mp for islington attacked the governments policy of troops in northern ireland
Report akabula January 16, 2019 10:44 PM GMT
anxious
Lol how can you possibly be that naive the British governments were talking to the Ira all the way through the conflict


That's embarrassing anxious. We know that, it was there duty to seek peace and they did by engaging both sides.
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 10:44 PM GMT
he told the meeting of the wolfe tone commitee , am am happy  to commerorate anyone fighting for an independant Ireland
Report ufcdan January 16, 2019 10:46 PM GMT
How come people who live in this country can hate it so much ?
Report anxious January 16, 2019 10:47 PM GMT
Again this is all historical tittle tattle , just another attempt by the tory lie machine and its cheerleaders to discredit him , as i said earlier the younger generation are not interested , they are interested in the their future and have rejected the Spiv divide and conquer and its failed trickle down projects
Report anxious January 16, 2019 10:48 PM GMT
Dan its your side that is full of hate
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 10:48 PM GMT
LaughLaugh the labour spin machine is talking himself into denial
Report Torquemada January 16, 2019 10:48 PM GMT
I consider Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott to be traitors. Their past actions were disgusting.
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 10:49 PM GMT
historical tittle tattle , bet you glad you didnt have a son serving the army at the time anxious or your views might be a littledifferent
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 10:50 PM GMT
the man is a traitor
Report anxious January 16, 2019 10:50 PM GMT
lol traitors what fookin nonsense
Report anxious January 16, 2019 10:51 PM GMT
Utter sh1te , unbelievable garbage , its yourselves that are embarrasing
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 10:51 PM GMT
sided with the terrorists , thats being a traitor against the british , disgrace
Report anxious January 16, 2019 10:52 PM GMT
So nearly 12 million voted for a Traitor , ffs sure they did
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 10:53 PM GMT
probably 11.5 million dont know about the leaches past , students promised free university fees and handouts , sounds about right
Report anxious January 16, 2019 10:53 PM GMT
Your view of history is pathetic nobody gives a sh1te about all this , its desperate stuff from the spiv fans
Report anxious January 16, 2019 10:54 PM GMT
If you truly believe all this then you have lost the plot
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 10:54 PM GMT

Jan 16, 2019 -- 4:53PM, anxious wrote:


Your view of history is pathetic nobody gives a sh1te about all this , its desperate stuff from the spiv fans


i think you will find most do , serving past and present armed forces will and we will not let it go

Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 10:55 PM GMT
as long as corbyn is in charge labour will never govern
Report anxious January 16, 2019 10:55 PM GMT
So what if the armed forces believed whatever , are they the fountain of all knowledge
Report Torquemada January 16, 2019 10:56 PM GMT
The truth about Corbyn's past treachery always riles up his fanboys. They want to hide his shameful behaviour from today's unaware youth.
Report anxious January 16, 2019 10:57 PM GMT
The British government , army  all pased information to the loyalist death squads that resulted in the slaughter of thousands of innocent catholics
Report anxious January 16, 2019 10:58 PM GMT
Thats the truth about the conflict , both sides were as bad as each other
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 10:58 PM GMT

Jan 16, 2019 -- 4:56PM, Torquemada wrote:


The truth about Corbyn's past treachery always riles up his fanboys. They want to hide his shameful behaviour from today's unaware youth.


here here

Report akabula January 16, 2019 10:59 PM GMT

anxious
Again this is all historical tittle tattle , just another attempt by the tory lie machine and its cheerleaders to discredit him , as i said earlier the younger generation are not interested , they are interested in the their future and have rejected the Spiv divide and conquer and its failed trickle down projects


The epitome of desperation. I think I'll take a screenshot, print it then frame it and hang it on my wall. Laugh
Report Torquemada January 16, 2019 10:59 PM GMT
We all owe a debt of gratitude to Britain's armed services. Anyone who denies that is either a deluded fool or has some sort of political agenda like the despicable Momentum.
Report ufcdan January 16, 2019 10:59 PM GMT
Think John Woodcock nailed it today Cool Corbyn and McDonnell not fit to lead this country
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 10:59 PM GMT

Jan 16, 2019 -- 4:58PM, anxious wrote:


Thats the truth about the conflict , both sides were as bad as each other


not sure loyalists bombed manchester , the brighton grand hotel , horseguards , parade etc etc

Report akabula January 16, 2019 10:59 PM GMT
anxious most of the stuff I posted is from recent years.
Report Just Checking January 16, 2019 11:00 PM GMT
Yes student fees, that was another beauty. Labour promised gullible young folk he'd pay off their student loans etc and didn't cost it, after the election they lost they did cost it and it was a HUGE figure they'd never have been to afford. 1£00 billion wasn't it?

https://order-order.com/2017/07/19/shadow-cabinet-minister-admits-not-possible-keep-student-promise/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4054494/labour-admit-they-have-no-plans-to-abolish-debt-run-up-by-graduates-despite-election-vow/

So lying b*stard Corbyn and Labour just lied to get votes promising something they could never fulfill. And that's a LABOUR shadow minister saying that.

Must be tory spiv lies ...
Report anxious January 16, 2019 11:01 PM GMT
Didnt the uvf bomb Dublin , does that not count as murder too ?
Report Torquemada January 16, 2019 11:03 PM GMT
Labour has always been great at spending somebody else's money.
Report anxious January 16, 2019 11:03 PM GMT
John woodcock lol another fookin tory  lover , good riddance to the clown
Report ufcdan January 16, 2019 11:03 PM GMT
The British government , army  all pased information to the loyalist death squads that resulted in the slaughter of thousands of innocent catholics


That statement just shows why your viewpoint is so flawed anxious. Three thousand people died in the troubles so where does THOUSANDS come from ? Yer full of it mate Crazy
Report ufcdan January 16, 2019 11:04 PM GMT
John woodcock lol another fookin tory  lover , good riddance to the clown


Independent Labour MP. Glad to see your so tolerant with a different opinion
Report anxious January 16, 2019 11:05 PM GMT
i think you need to go back to 1920 to read your history about Ireland dan
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 11:05 PM GMT
Anxious you sound like Baghdad bob
Report ufcdan January 16, 2019 11:05 PM GMT
Plenty on here would vote Labour if it was a centre left party
Report anxious January 16, 2019 11:06 PM GMT
No i just dont believe everything the Imperialst Capitlast Estabishment waffle on about
Report anxious January 16, 2019 11:06 PM GMT
ok dan would you vote for Tony Blair then
Report anxious January 16, 2019 11:07 PM GMT
Neil kinnock , micheal foot , ed miliband
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 11:07 PM GMT
you dont have to listen there are plenty of photos knocking about with corbyn adams and mcguiness floating about
Report anxious January 16, 2019 11:08 PM GMT
I couldnt give a **** what he was doing with them
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 11:09 PM GMT

Jan 16, 2019 -- 5:06PM, anxious wrote:


ok dan would you vote for Tony Blair then


christ are there still guys like you knocking about , serious

Report ufcdan January 16, 2019 11:10 PM GMT
i think you need to go back to 1920 to read your history about Ireland dan


Make your mind up, one minute your slating us for bringing up Corbyns historic support for terrorist organisations and now you want me to read the history of 1920's Ireland. One not being Irish I couldn't give a fxxk and two as a country we cant be blamed for what our ancestors did
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 11:10 PM GMT

Jan 16, 2019 -- 5:06PM, anxious wrote:


No i just dont believe everything the Imperialst Capitlast Estabishment waffle on about


for this quote  above answer

Report anxious January 16, 2019 11:10 PM GMT
He said he would vote for a centre left labour leader , not that i believe that
Report anxious January 16, 2019 11:11 PM GMT
Its all a smokescreen every labour leader has been subjected to personal attacks by the evil tory lie machine
Report akabula January 16, 2019 11:12 PM GMT
anxious
i think you need to go back to 1920 to read your history about Ireland dan


What were they called back then anxious? A d can you name any atrocities they committed?
Report ufcdan January 16, 2019 11:12 PM GMT
ok dan would you vote for Tony Blair then

I didn't but I never minded living under a New Labour government.
Report akabula January 16, 2019 11:12 PM GMT
Anxious you're getting really desperate now.
Report anxious January 16, 2019 11:12 PM GMT
No exactly because he was fooking tory
Report akabula January 16, 2019 11:14 PM GMT
Imperialst Capitlast Estabishment

Loving that. Laugh
Report ufcdan January 16, 2019 11:15 PM GMT
anxious if Cooper, Benn or Watson where leader I would seriously look at their policies. Tbf the Labour backbenchers are stronger than the Tories, shame their lead by a cxxt
Report anxious January 16, 2019 11:16 PM GMT
The black and tans remember them ?
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 11:17 PM GMT
can you seriously  imagine corbyn and dianne abbot running this country , jesus wept
Report anxious January 16, 2019 11:17 PM GMT
I will leave you to it guys , your hatred is very bitter and deep , take it easy
Report ufcdan January 16, 2019 11:18 PM GMT
No exactly because he was fooking tory


100 people surveyed were asked "Which political party was Tony Blair was the leader of"

100 that was the top answer Excited
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 11:18 PM GMT
keep da red flag flying herr anxious
Report ufcdan January 16, 2019 11:19 PM GMT
Night night anxious dont let the barstewards grind you down Wink
Report degsy42 January 16, 2019 11:20 PM GMT
this is worse than football chat Laugh
Report ufcdan January 16, 2019 11:20 PM GMT
Night night degsy our work here is doneLaugh
Report Just Checking January 16, 2019 11:21 PM GMT
For those that need a little reminder of the many horrific crimes of the hard left .. :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak
Report Just Checking January 16, 2019 11:22 PM GMT
"According to data from Soviet archives, which were published only in 1990, 1,803,392 people were sent to labor colonies and camps in 1930 and 1931. Books based on these sources have said that 1,317,022 reached the destinations. The fate of the remaining 486,370 cannot be verified. Deportations on a smaller scale continued after 1931. The reported number of kulaks and their relatives who died in labor colonies from 1932–1940 was 389,521. Former kulaks and their families made up the majority of victims of the Great Purge of the late 1930s, with 669,929 arrested and 376,202 executed.[25]"
Report ufcdan January 16, 2019 11:25 PM GMT
anxious only owns one cow !
Report akabula January 16, 2019 11:26 PM GMT
I remember them anxious but they didn't murder thousands of innocent people.
Report ufcdan January 16, 2019 11:27 PM GMT
Where as me I'm a regular Rowdy Yates ! ExcitedCoolWink
Report Just Checking January 16, 2019 11:29 PM GMT
The Kulaks are such a brilliant example of the total ****witted nature of communism and their hatred of successful people. You get 10 peasants. 2 are better farmers and the others, smarter, harder workers. They get a few more animals and expand to a little more land and a slightly nicer house. Next thing they are treated as class enemies and summary executed or carted off to a death camp. And russia wasn't a one off, same thing across east asia etc. The killing fields and so on, exact same.

The hard left are bitter angry faiures twitching to do over anyone who has done better than them, that's the basis of their system..
Report ufcdan January 16, 2019 11:31 PM GMT
Agree JC dangerous cxxts
Report The Leopard January 17, 2019 12:02 AM GMT
Extremists are dangerous....right or left....do not support them !
Report aaronh January 17, 2019 5:58 AM GMT
The same people who go on about remainers and project fear post all sorts of hysterical garbage about Corbyn. I'm going to post about gulags, it's very relevant and I am very smart!
Report lfc1971 January 17, 2019 6:31 AM GMT
Don’t trust remainers they don’t deserve to be trusted , likewise that weasel Corbyn
Report lfc1971 January 17, 2019 6:38 AM GMT
The Tory Party in the main and May to their credit have shown that they understand it is their duty to uphold the referendum result
Corbyn and Labour and others are determined to overthrow it , don’t trust vermin like that
Report aaronh January 17, 2019 6:42 AM GMT
It's easy to complain about the young and pretend that Labour/Corbyn appeal was only to them. It should be obvious to anyone that you don't make such gains with that only especially when a lot of the student vote is in areas already likely to be heavily Labour.

The polling suggests that other than AB voters, Labour were most popular with those aged 35-54. That's going to contain a lot of people who have kids in school or who may have just finished it. It could contain people who are still struggling to get onto an out of control housing market. On that, the Tories are getting smashed by people who rent where they live - a group that is only going to get bigger.

It's easy to see why people are dissatisfied but I guess the geniuses on here find it easier to just be all "LOL lefties only want free stuff!!11"

I know the likes of Torquemada like to think the young are just as ill informed as him but they have all seen the IRA stuff, it was plastered all over the media for months to diminishing returns. If people want to prioritise a culture war or historic things above policies that could impact their life for the better, it's on them. That's why poor whites keep voting Republican in the US then are upset when they lose their healthcare

You lot should keep going though. We saw how effective Remain, Clinton and May 2017 were in campaigns that basically consisted of how bad the other side is.

I'm willing to believe that ufcdan would vote Labour under a different leadership but everyone else in here is arguing in bad faith and should be ignored.

I still think Clive Lewis would be a good pick as a representative of "Corbynism" without Corbyn. He is much younger, a good communicator, doesn't have the baggage that Corbyn does. Being a former soldier should help his appeal for people who are into that.
Report lfc1971 January 17, 2019 6:47 AM GMT
Corbyn is very representative of labour , change him and the sort of people who would vote for him so that’s why we are in the mess we are in now
There are thousands of anti British elements within the Labour Party
Report aaronh January 17, 2019 6:49 AM GMT

Jan 17, 2019 -- 12:38AM, lfc1971 wrote:


The Tory Party in the main and May to their credit have shown that they understand it is their duty to uphold the referendum result Corbyn and Labour and others are determined to overthrow it , don’t trust vermin like that


It is amazing that the party with the working majority is going to try and spin their way out of this.

May basically alienated anyone not with a gov position, whichever way they voted! What does she deserve any credit for? That doesn't just include people like me, it includes people who want the type of Brexit that you do as well.

Report lfc1971 January 17, 2019 6:54 AM GMT
You’re not listening are you ? May is trying to leave the EU , Corbyn and labour (apart from 3 labour MPs to their credit )are determined to keep us in
Report aaronh January 17, 2019 6:57 AM GMT
Only in the strange world you are living in
Report lfc1971 January 17, 2019 6:59 AM GMT
there you go , that’s why you can’t trust remainers or Corbyn
They are completely unscrupulous
Report RacingCert January 17, 2019 7:09 AM GMT
Again, back to the OP.
Can’t trust either.
May says she is doing a Brexit but she isn’t.
Corbyn can’t say what he will do.

As for Brexit nobody knows what it’ll be like if we leave and nobody knows what it’ll be like if we stay in.

People can only look to their own circumstances and of people they care about and vote on that basis.
Sometimes people become so convinced by ideology they have grown up with and go that way even though it might not be in their interests.
But as Mark Twain said if voting changed anything they wouldn’t let us do it.
Report lfc1971 January 17, 2019 7:12 AM GMT
^ you see that’s why we are in the mess we are , racing cert refuses to give credit where it’s due
May is trying to leave the EU , Corbyn is trying to keep us in
Put the blame where it lies , Corbyn and labour , they can’t be trusted
Report RacingCert January 17, 2019 7:31 AM GMT
Not a fan of either, lfc.
May’s deal is a bad deal.
Credit to her for trying but she has failed.
As far as I am aware it was mostly those with govt jobs who voted for it, backbencher are against it.
Report lfc1971 January 17, 2019 7:57 AM GMT
Mays deal is a good deal and it gets us out of the EU , the people voted to leave the EU
That’s the important thing
Now you can dress it up any which way you like , Corbyn and labour are determined to keep us in
Report lfc1971 January 17, 2019 8:03 AM GMT
ps I am not particularly a fan of May either , but she at least to her eternal credit is trying to respect the democratic decision of the British people
Corbyn and labour and remainers are determined to overthrow that
No matter what happens never forgive that
Report aaronh January 17, 2019 8:05 AM GMT
Every vocal remainer hates Corbyn's fence sitting, be they someone who wants to stop Brexit or purely a second referendum.

The most vocal opposition has come from Tory mps and the most action in opposition has come from Tory mps
Report lfc1971 January 17, 2019 8:07 AM GMT
^ not true   , most tories voted for mays deal
3 labour MPs to their credit did also
Report lfc1971 January 17, 2019 8:08 AM GMT
That’s 3 labour MPs you can trust , not Corbyn
Report RacingCert January 17, 2019 8:14 AM GMT
I think it’s a case from labour’s point of view of following Napoleon’s adage.
Report lfc1971 January 17, 2019 8:16 AM GMT
What’s that ?
Report RacingCert January 17, 2019 8:22 AM GMT
Oh, lfc, you do disappoint me sometimes.
Never interfere with an enemy when he’s making a mistake.
Report lfc1971 January 17, 2019 8:25 AM GMT
never heard that one , thought you might have meant give me a lucky general rather than a good one
Report lfc1971 January 17, 2019 8:29 AM GMT
If only Napoleon was in charge now , I’m not sure May is lucky
But at least what she is trying to do is good and honourable and true
Report RacingCert January 17, 2019 8:29 AM GMT
Yes. Well there is that one too.
And while you mention it May hasn’t been very lucky.
She has a poisoned chalice
Report RacingCert January 17, 2019 8:33 AM GMT
Yes. She is a trier. But we need more than that to sort out the mess.
Report lfc1971 January 17, 2019 8:34 AM GMT
Corbyn and Labour and liberals and snp and remainers have poisoned it , yes
Report lfc1971 January 17, 2019 8:36 AM GMT
When this is finished , however it ends , the shame of that will remain
Report RacingCert January 17, 2019 8:38 AM GMT
The MPs who voted for the referendum and article 50 should be working together.
So that perhaps absolves the nats.
Report lfc1971 January 17, 2019 9:09 AM GMT
The SNP are hypocrites, we will see how they react if after voting to leave the UK they are told sorry, you are not leaving we will have to look at this again and possibly have a peoples referendum ...
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