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buddeliea
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2 time champ
Deserves his own thread.

Back on the track today, be very interesting to see how he shapes up on his quest to join the great triple winners.
The 2 novice hurdle winners from March take him on,so very intriguing.
Not seen Summerville Boy yet, so we don't know how fit he is,but he looked a good winner of the supreme, and is pretty tough judging on his novice season.
We have seen Samcro, and he has to improve a fair bit on that run to win this I think.
But coming out of novice season, hes entitled too.
Trainer form and first time out to me makes BD a tad vulnerable today,but if he runs a big race its ominous for the rest imo
Certainly hope he does.
Watch and no bet for me today. Cant see any value anywhere.
Hope to see
A race to watch and no bet for me.
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Report FOYLESWAR January 11, 2019 11:56 PM GMT
one is 6/4 the other 12/1  to win... melon is 9/4 to place
Report impossible123 January 12, 2019 12:04 AM GMT
Sorry, Melon is living on last season's credential; this, he's not delivered. Hopefully, he shows up for the Irish Champion Hurdle in February; Melon 9/4 or less for a place on the day I'll seriously consider laying him, and betting against him in a match with VB or Sharjah.

I think if Apples Jade heads to the CH Laurina will run in the Mares.
Report buddeliea January 12, 2019 6:43 AM GMT
I don't think that was anywhere near BD's true running at Kempton.
Personally think only the unexposed Laurina is a threat to a 3rd Champion Hurdle.

I guess if conditions are similar to last year we could have others involved, as Melon nearly beat BD.
Report duffy January 12, 2019 6:49 AM GMT
Laurina will run in the CH, regardless of where AJ ends up, she remains full of potential, we don't know what or how good she is, that trot round last week didn't prove or disprove anything, it didn't confirm how good she might be but it didn't burst any bubble either.

The owner wants to run in the CH and is not one to be pushed around, he's no Wylie, Walsh is going to ride the mare which is probably down to the rumours that she does the best homework out of the stables other contenders as being true.

We've just seen the favourite beaten by another mare with the allowance and if Laurina isn't better than VB then we may as well all give up the game.
Report impossible123 January 12, 2019 10:41 AM GMT
Laurina ducked the Morgiana, Relkeel and then the Tolworth instead ran in a non-entity race against her own sex on the same day and track as the Tolworth spoke more to me than 1000 words - Vroom Vroom Mag (achieved more than Laurina had done) ran in the Tolworth. Mullins can only use the ground as an excuse so many times for scratching her from her intended races but ducking the Tolworth was a significant pointer (to me) regards the opinion of Mullins; whichever horse Ruby chooses is immaterial (he feeds off the bookies) to me either.

Unless she turns up for the Irish Champion Hurdle in Feb I'd give her no better chance than Melon in the CH. And I do not think she'll either; her owners just want a nice day out at the Festival with the bubble intact prior, I think. The CH is on tuesday - what chance of soft or worse ground unless it pours many days prior?

Buveur D'Air will have a chance 2nd to none if Geraghty holds him up till the last or just after, I firmly believe.
Report duffy January 12, 2019 12:45 PM GMT
Laurina wouldn't have needed soft ground to run in the Tolworth, she'd have needed a time machine.
Report cyclops January 12, 2019 1:12 PM GMT
"ducking the Tolworth was a significant pointer"

The Tolworth is for novices.
Report cyclops January 12, 2019 1:12 PM GMT
Sorry, just seen duffy saying the same thing.
Report impossible123 January 12, 2019 1:51 PM GMT
Sorry, you're both correct. She'd have run in at least one race prior, I'd have thought. No worries, the Irish Champion then.
Report firstimevisor January 12, 2019 6:26 PM GMT
I'll give it maybe 2 days before impossible has another go at mullins over not running laurina in the tolworth. He may be absent minded but he doesn't forget his grudges
Report sageform January 13, 2019 2:29 PM GMT
No I am not on drugs. May be Laurina should be favourite then. My point is that having watched the Kempton race again, VB beat BD'air without Nico having to pick up his whip. May be she responds negatively to the whip, may be BD had an off day. However I would back her to beat him most times over 2 miles on good ground. It is pointless mentioning the mares hurdle. She barely gets 2 miles hence the decision to go for the AW races as an alternative to hurdling. When ridden like that over 2 miles on good ground, I certainly would not oppose her. Clearly connections have watched the race back and come to the same conclusion.
Report impossible123 January 13, 2019 3:08 PM GMT
VB deserves her chance in the CH; she'd have a better chance than Laurina, in my opinion, who certainly needs further than 2m - her jumping needs polishing up too.

But BD if ridden with a wee bit more patience until the last or just after will race away from these lot any given day, I believe.; Laurina at best 3rd, I firmly believe, thus will lay her for a place.
Report buddeliea January 13, 2019 4:10 PM GMT
Well the Kempton race has certainly made it all more interesting,and that has to be a good thing.
Still BD for me,think Cheltenham really suits him,but the mares are both fascinating runners.
Report firstimevisor January 13, 2019 7:06 PM GMT
VB showed in the Greatwood that her mark of 151 was about right then. Using If The Cap Fit's last 2 runs, there's nothing between him and VB bar the mare's allowance.

Apart from BD,who looks vulnerable, the British hurdlers again look to be a very poor bunch indeed.The Champion Hurdle looks intriguing all the same even if the quality is not there. Sharjah, Supasundae, Laurina are all right in the mix. If they have found a problem with Samcro then they have 2 months to get him back which is very doable.And Faugheen could yet come back onto the scene if he runs in the Irish Champion which Mullins has hinted at.Apples Jade would really spice things up is she were to run.
Report buddeliea January 13, 2019 9:10 PM GMT
Personally think the exposed Irish form is a pile of pooh to be honest....Sharjah,Faugheen etc.
Faugheen is finished at this level over 2m judging by last couple of years.
Laurina only Irish one that can beat BD imo,simply because shes still unknown ability.
AJ will be in Mares or Stayers cos shes a stayer not a 2 miler.
Report firstimevisor January 13, 2019 9:53 PM GMT
All champion hurdle winners are stayers
Report impossible123 January 13, 2019 10:10 PM GMT
I think the best Irish 2 miler is on the sick list with a lung infection; the present lot is at least 7lb below Champion Hurdle standard.
Report buddeliea January 14, 2019 7:51 AM GMT
Ok,i will put it this way.
Big Bucks was stayer,had he ran in a Champion Hurdle I don't think he would have been quick enough.
Whilst I do think AJ is not quiet in that category,i just think shes more chance of winning top races over 2 and a half - 3 mile.
Shes been campaigned over longer distances for over 2 years now,pretty much all of them over 2 and a half,and has gone up to 3m latest run.I cannot see connections going back to 2m. They know what distances give her the best chance of winning good races.
Report sageform January 14, 2019 9:17 AM GMT
Interesting that you still rate Samcro the best Irish hurdler. His highest ever RPR of 161 was when second to Buveur d'air at Necastle with Summerville Boy well behind but subsequent results suggest that BVD may not be better than a 165 horse with Samcro at around 158 (as he was given after the Cheltenham win over 2.5) and who knows what Summerville Boy is worth. It was that race that seemed to convince everyone that BD was very good but if you take all of this seasons form literally, there is little to choose between BD, VB (with the 7lb allowance) and Brain Power with Bedrock close behind! Laurina is the great unknown and could well be better than all of them. I am still not convinced that any of last season's novice hurdlers apart from Laurina are much good.
Report duffy January 14, 2019 2:43 PM GMT
There was a massive over-reaction to the Newcastle win, I suggested on this thread afterwards that if Samcro was indeed a staying chaser what then was so exciting about BD being too quick for him in a sprint
Report sageform January 14, 2019 3:40 PM GMT
duffy, at that time everyone in Ireland still thought that Samcro was the next Arkle and many here in GB thought that Summerville Boy was a good horse but events have made it clear that it was a very weak Grade 1. To be fair to Mr O'Reilly, he warned that the horse was overhyped last season.
Report duffy January 14, 2019 3:49 PM GMT
Plenty were suggesting he wasn't a top class 2 miler by then, that's why I questioned it myself once the dust had settled after the race.
Report impossible123 January 14, 2019 5:25 PM GMT
Laurina has yet to beat anything of substance and ducked every race a Champion Hurdle runner has run in hence why she'd still be considered the best of the novices of last season? She's beaten absolutely nothing of Champion Hurdle calibre.

I think she is solely because of her trainer, certainly not her form; 4/1 with the ground needing to be at least good to soft (to run) on the opening day of the Festival, and at a distance shorter than her optimum...only for her die-hard supporters, I believe.
Report buddeliea January 14, 2019 5:29 PM GMT
Not sure about the Fighting Fifth myself, it was after his first Champion Hurdle performance when I decided BD was very good and performances since have confirmed that for me.
The Kempton race confused me and I imagine it confused his trainer as well.
Cannot imagine they ever thought VB would beat BD.
I don't think she will do that again, certainly not at Cheltenham anyway.
Cheltenham suits his running style best imo,giving him more chance to show his staying power to go alongside his speed.
3rd CH unless Laurina spoils the party.
Don't think any other horse can beat BD at Cheltenham.
Report duffy January 14, 2019 5:44 PM GMT
You can criticize Laurina's price but a number of factors have contributed to it, the fact that the division is weak for one, we can also assume that she must be out performing the likes of Melon and Sharjah on the gallops and considering how close Melon got last year allied with the progression that Sharjah in particular is showing I find that quite notable that they're at least double her price.

I'm not saying she's another AP (before anyone jumps on that) but AP never ran against a single horse of CH calibre, not one, not even remotely close to one  before hosing up in it, she doesn't have to prove she's worthy of her place before the race, she'll just have to do it on the day.
Report buddeliea January 14, 2019 6:05 PM GMT
Annie Power had a lot more experience behind her when connections finally decided to run her in the race,would have won more than one imo given the chance.
Laurina could literally be anything,none of us have any idea how good she is or can be.
You may have a point re whats going on at home,certainly that makes sense in regards to Ruby wanting to ride her(I believe that is right?)and the bookies prices.
Melon got close last year imo because the ground blunted the speed of BD and the staying power of BD won him that race.
I would not expect Melon to get close to BD on normal Tuesday festival ground.
Report impossible123 January 14, 2019 6:08 PM GMT
Laurina needs to be better than AP to beat Buveur D'Air (BD); AP and BD both beat My Tent Or Yours by the same margin at the Festival.

Personally, Vroum Vroum Mag and Limini all over again - both these horses were reckoned to be serious Champion Hurdle contenders.
Report firstimevisor January 14, 2019 9:29 PM GMT
I believe Gigginstown will run Apples Jade if Samcro doesn't line up and she would be their best chance of winning.

Its just nonsense saying she's not a 2 miler (she won a Grade 1 at Aintree by 41 lengths for god's sake and followed up at Punchestown). She's a super mare at any distance, end of.

She is a 7 y o rated 62, which is  exactly the same rating as that other "stayer" Annie Power had when she ran in it as an 8 y o.The tactics would be just the same - make the running and make it a brutal stamina test. And there won't be many still involved from 2 hurdles out.
Report duffy January 15, 2019 3:11 AM GMT
That jumping out to the right I wouldn't fancy much in a CH.
Report buddeliea January 15, 2019 8:02 AM GMT
Well looking back at her race record, AJ had good juvenile form,losing to IG at Cheltenham,and then thrashing the same horse at Aintree(why the big difference? the Aintree after Cheltenham factor perhaps??)
She then lost 2 races at 2m against the older horses, and was then stepped up to 2 and a halfm,presumably with mares races in mind, in particular Cheltenham. She has been very good in those races aside from two beatings by BDD.She has also had two races at 3m and won them both well.
All this tells me that connections see her as either a mares horse or a stayers horse in March.

Yes its possible connections could drop back to 2m,as AP did with success. AP was a super sub and hindsight tells us it was the right thing to do,and also hindsight tells me that they should have run her in the race before then instead of the Mares races and the stayers race she ran in!!! maybe that will happen with AJ as well.

I can only go on what the formbook tells me though,and that tells me shes been campaigned since her juvenile days with no thoughts of a Champion Hurdle. More thought about the Stayers seems to me.

If she does turn up in the Champion Hurdle that would be great,giving us extra intrigue and excitement.
She may well surprise me,fair enough if she did.
My feeling is BD would have too much speed for her, but no way of knowing for sure until it happened.
Report Autocue February 2, 2019 11:40 AM GMT
Apparently Nicky Henderson is fuming that other trainers have entered horses against Buveur D'Air in the Contenders Hurdle today. "As the reigning dual champion hurdler, the horse deserves a nice exercise canter with no rags to distract him. I'm trying to complete his preparations for the treble with the weather and everything else against me and it's a disgrace the BHA has allowed other trainers to use the Sandown course. My horses deserve the best and this is yet another example of the ****-eyed thinking we're getting from the BHA these days."
Report Autocue February 2, 2019 11:41 AM GMT
****-eyed = abbreviation for cockerel-eyed Happy
Report buddeliea February 2, 2019 1:46 PM GMT
Well i have to say AJ has got me right confused......or maybe her connections have!!!
All this campaigning in Mares races and more recently 3m races,she now goes and does that over 2m.
She has to be a major player in the Churdle for sure......if they run her in the race!!
I hope they do,she would add some much to the build up as well as the actual race.
Report buddeliea February 2, 2019 1:51 PM GMT
Eddie o'leary after todays race says she runs in Mares.
I have a feeling their will be discussions between owners and trainer in the coming weeks!!
Report Autocue February 2, 2019 1:57 PM GMT
I'll be really disappointed if they don't run her. It would be another example of dilution spoiling Cheltenham. She jumps a hurdle as quickly as BD.
Report buddeliea February 2, 2019 2:00 PM GMT
Nice comfortable victory there as you would expect from the current champ.
Should be spot on now for March.
Report impossible123 February 2, 2019 2:01 PM GMT
I hope AJ runs against him at least then a good pace is assured; a messy race is the only issue for him, I believe, all things being equal.
Report buddeliea February 2, 2019 2:05 PM GMT
All true racing fans should want her in the Champion Hurdle.
Simple as that.
Report GAZO February 2, 2019 2:41 PM GMT
they kept samcro over hurdles to win a champion hurdle(unless his jumping was dire) so why wont they go champions hurdle with apples jade after that?
Report buddeliea February 2, 2019 2:47 PM GMT
Because we often see these very good mares running in the mares race.
Report Autocue February 3, 2019 11:43 AM GMT
"Nothing is concrete but I'd say it's likely (to be the Champion Hurdle)."

Music to my ears from Gordon. CH is a race to look forward to. Hope both horses get there fit and well and AJ is not in season! Goodness knows what they're doing to prevent this - playing Brexit debates to her?
I couldn't make my mind up at this stage and will wait until the day.
Report FOYLESWAR February 3, 2019 12:25 PM GMT
jp and hendo will surely run a spoiler in this to give apples jade some company up front !
Report FOYLESWAR February 3, 2019 12:31 PM GMT
anyway it looks as tho apples an dairs in the champion
Report wondersobright February 3, 2019 12:34 PM GMT
if its good side of good to soft (likely imo) then everything I've seen of buveur tells me he's v beatable
Report penzance February 3, 2019 1:18 PM GMT
say 2 weeks ago what price was BD for the race,
1/2 or 2/5?
cheers.
Report duffy February 3, 2019 1:48 PM GMT
Autocue 03 Feb 19 11:43 
"Nothing is concrete but I'd say it's likely (to be the Champion Hurdle)."

Music to my ears from Gordon. CH is a race to look forward to. Hope both horses get there fit and well and AJ is not in season! Goodness knows what they're doing to prevent this - playing Brexit debates to her?
I couldn't make my mind up at this stage and will wait until the day.


They insert a marble into the horse's uterus to prevent the horse from coming into season.
Report wondersobright February 3, 2019 1:52 PM GMT

Feb 3, 2019 -- 7:18AM, penzance wrote:


say 2 weeks ago what price was BD for the race,1/2 or 2/5?cheers.


went odds on after the fighting fifth & then drifted after the xmas hurdle defeat

Report impossible123 February 3, 2019 5:05 PM GMT
I'm glad Elliot indicated the Champion Hurdle more likely for AJ, and no doubt connections of BD - he'll get a tow for much further. But what about those of Laurina? She'd have two horses to beat now, and The Mares is for the taking. Would her connections be tempted?
Report duffy February 3, 2019 5:39 PM GMT
If Laurina is the Mare they hope she is then BD + AJ won't make any difference to whether she runs or not IMO.
Report duffy February 3, 2019 5:43 PM GMT
Another thing to consider is Ricci will want a winner and BDD gives him his probablt best chance with AJ and Laurina out of the way.
Report asparagus February 3, 2019 5:50 PM GMT
Charlie Parcs will presumably take on pacemaker/spoiler duties again for JP.
Report johnslad February 5, 2019 12:50 PM GMT
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If Laurina is the Mare they hope she is then BD + AJ won't make any difference to whether she runs or not IMO.
personally thought she would have done an annie and led all the way but now the monster will have a tow from apples jade.
Don't say ye weren't told.
Report duffy February 5, 2019 3:14 PM GMT
I hope you are right.
Report buddeliea February 5, 2019 5:23 PM GMT
I dont!!
Laugh
Report johnslad February 5, 2019 5:29 PM GMT
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Report buddeliea February 19, 2019 8:00 AM GMT
Interesting stuff from Mr Henderson......

We managed to beat him at Kempton with a mare of our own in VERDANA BLUE who is very smart on good ground. She’ll struggle to beat him at Cheltenham though when it will be at least good to soft – it won’t be allowed to get any quicker than that. Any softer than that and she won’t run.

There are two factors going into this race. I don’t think he was at his best last year but we know why. He was in a box next to We Have A Dream who on the Monday morning of Cheltenam week had a screaming temperature. They lived absolutely nose-to-nose.

At 6am we got We Have A Dream out of the barn, he hadn’t touched a scrap of his food. Buveur D’Air is as tough as teak and didn’t get over Cheltenham at all last year. We were going back to Aintree, which should have been a piece of cake, but he couldn’t do it.

He wasn’t impressive in the Champion, it took him apart, races don’t affect him at all normally.

He got away with it but it was a bit scrappy. He’s going to have to be better this year because the opposition is better with the obvious threats being Apple’s Jade and Laurina.


Here's hoping he is better!!!
Report FOYLESWAR February 19, 2019 8:23 AM GMT
well done for posting that budd ,very usefull ,good  info that most would have been unaware of   and hopefully more stables  forthcoming with news .
Report buddeliea February 19, 2019 8:35 AM GMT
Yes mate, anything useful always welcome.
Report FOYLESWAR February 19, 2019 8:41 AM GMT
he is starting to look a fair price at around 2/1 on here
Report buddeliea February 19, 2019 9:54 AM GMT
Ground may be a slight concern Foyles,will need at least good/soft I think to beat the 2 mares,AJ in particular I feel.
They will try and make it that going, as they normally do.
Report FOYLESWAR February 19, 2019 11:36 AM GMT
yes budd been thinking about him and the mares,  the bit hendo said below is swaying me to beuvair . he has been there in champion hurdles  and done it and has less questions to answer and a backable price that could drift a little bit what with likley strong irish support for the mares on the day .think i will start backing him at sp rather than nrnb  every week for from now
Report FOYLESWAR February 19, 2019 11:38 AM GMT
it will be at least good to soft at least ,the taps will be turned on if needed .
Report impossible123 February 19, 2019 2:57 PM GMT
BD was not ridden to win the Supreme. He gave a start to the exceptional Altior and highly regarded Min; either would be a serious contender for this last year, and possibly this too. My only and main concern is Geraghty not taking it up until just before or after the last hurdle; the two mares do not worry mean as much as how he's ridden.
Report irishone February 20, 2019 8:17 AM GMT
"BD was not ridden to win the supreme"

What an absolute ejit you are.
Given up with advising HDB that monalee is a non stayer ?
Now concentrating on advising geraghty how to ride
What next ?
Vetenary advice on horse injuries?
Report impossible123 February 20, 2019 4:16 PM GMT
May I suggest you watch that race again?; pay particular attention to when BD was compared to Min and Altior. Then asks why Altior did not allow Min 1st run at the 2nd or last hurdle.
Report buddeliea March 7, 2019 8:20 AM GMT
Well looks like no excuses for the Champ as far as ground is concerned.
Could well be ideal for him, just some Mares to take care of!!
That wont be easy.

God job they are running though, would not be much of a race to look forward to otherwise.
Report FOYLESWAR March 7, 2019 8:50 AM GMT
apples jade will not be getting an easy time of it up front , mullins with  sharjah and hendo will also run a spoiler charli parkes type .she or laurina may still be good enough but the reigning champ is a tasty price now and not even fav on here ,he has less questions to answer  having been there and done it .
Report buddeliea March 7, 2019 8:56 AM GMT
Not sure about that Foyles
Hendo has 2 others in the race and I don't see either of those front running for BD.
And I don't see Sharjah anywhere near the front.
Agree re his price though.
Report FOYLESWAR March 7, 2019 9:03 AM GMT
you are right budd no charli .  could be 3/1 between now and race day buavair
Report buddeliea March 7, 2019 9:05 AM GMT
Keep a close eye on things mate......could be handy having 2 Irish fancied ones!!
Report geoff m March 7, 2019 9:24 AM GMT
Interesting Gigginstown left 2 others in petit Mouchoir and Farclas, wonder if they are considering using 1 of them as a pacemaker for Apples?
Report impossible123 March 7, 2019 2:42 PM GMT
I do not think AJ could be gifted an easy lead or lead with Global Citizen in the race. Otherwise, Petit Mouchoir or Farclas could step up to assume the role of a pacesetter. If all else fails Espoir D'Allen could step up for the role too; a decent pace assured, I think, and the anticipated good to soft/soft ground will suit too.

The market resembles that of the fighting 5th when Samcro was absurdly made the fav; history repeats itself, I hope.
Report wondersobright March 7, 2019 2:44 PM GMT
apples jade being fav is completely logical imo
Report buddeliea March 7, 2019 5:16 PM GMT
Yeh its close now and i expect it will be close on the day.
Report saxon farm March 9, 2019 6:32 PM GMT
5/2 on here now Buveur
Any thoughts?
Report impossible123 March 9, 2019 7:12 PM GMT
^^
The affection for the mares presently; one won 1 out of 3 at Cheltenham, and no proven 2-miler; the other unproven at all.

What price would BD be if he'd not run at Kemtopn?
Report saxon farm March 9, 2019 7:28 PM GMT
Shorter.
Report lewisham ranger March 9, 2019 8:59 PM GMT
I'm not the biggest fan of this horse but now thinking I might back him. mares both have question marks, particularly apple's jade in respect to the course, and the rest are rubbish.
Report lewisham ranger March 9, 2019 9:03 PM GMT
thing about apples jade is her last run, she set off at a lung-bursting pace and basically just burnt them off

hard to do that at Cheltenham, they'll all be bunching up around the home turn
Report geoff m March 9, 2019 9:04 PM GMT
He would be evens.
Race certainly set up to suit him with expected fast pace.
Will sit in 3rd or 4 th and come cruising to the 2nd last .
Whether hes got enough in the locker to go past Apples on the run in im not so sure.
Fascinating contest reminiscent of historic battles:
Hardy Eustace V Rooster
Hardy Eustace v Harchibald
Monksfield v Sea Pigeon
Brave Inca V Macs Joy

where the dour staying galloper outstayed the turn of foot merchants
Report impossible123 March 9, 2019 9:18 PM GMT
I'm not overly perturbed about AJ as she's sufficient form at Cheltenham, and over 2m; Laurina is the unproven one despite needing to improve significantly to beat beat either BD or AJ. However, I hope with AJ in the line-up BD will have a greater opportunity to be held up till just before or after the last to mount his challenge to whoever is infront then.
Report irishone March 9, 2019 11:48 PM GMT
How can this horse be 9/4 ?
Hes beat the best gordon and willie could throw at him and neat them fair and square ?
I'll be respecting sharjahs galway hurdle win with a place only bet as well
...but seriously 9/4 buveir daire, at this stage  is good value in my book .
Report lewisham ranger March 10, 2019 10:46 AM GMT
is supasundae running in this and if so can he cause an upset? Confused

don't really rate the mares and want an alternative to the hendo horse.
Report geoff m March 10, 2019 10:47 AM GMT
No Supasundae /Vision Des Flos/Farclas/Petit Mouchoir

10 runners
Report lockup March 10, 2019 3:18 PM GMT
agree with Irish he was never ridden to win the supreme but flew up the hill for 3rd going will suit, pace will suit and has the best turn of foot the two mares are quality but can Apples quicken thought they might go up in trip not back and cant have Laurina beating him, will shorten up i think.
Report geoff m March 11, 2019 2:18 PM GMT
Buveur Dair .Totally friendless in the market nearly touching 3s.
J.P waiting till theres a bob or two in the market before ploughing in.??
Report okthen March 11, 2019 2:26 PM GMT
Been thinking Apples all winter but now the time has come I got a strong hat trick feeling for the champ. Amazing value at the moment
Report geoff m March 11, 2019 2:49 PM GMT
Free money bet as yer can get out in running as he will be tanking coming to 2nd last .
Report impossible123 March 11, 2019 3:22 PM GMT
^^
Yes, 3.9 for BD is an excellent staring point for in-running, and free money/bet almost assured, all things being equal; Laurina will probably trade bigger than the present 4.7 on offer, I believe.
Report firstimevisor March 11, 2019 9:24 PM GMT
Would not be confident at all of that free in-running bet on BD. Don't be surprised if its all  AJ bar a fall from 3 out. She won't be coming back to them
Report gpz6316 March 11, 2019 11:19 PM GMT
bvd wins this easy . to have the class to win it twice already and be a bull , his strength will power over the ground
Report irishone March 12, 2019 6:27 AM GMT
No it will be me
Report buddeliea March 12, 2019 6:16 PM GMT
Such a shame to see the champ fall,but looks like hes ok and fit for another day.
Aintree next i hope.
Report impossible123 March 12, 2019 7:10 PM GMT
I hope Punchestown (2m) next for a retriever mission as to fall 1st time in his career on the biggest race of the year deserves another chance to prove he's still the best. Let's hope AJ and Laurina and most of today's field turn up too.

A bad day all round: Lalor was pulled-up due to the ground; Kalashnikov brought down in the same race; Buveur D'Ar fell for the 1st time. Could it get any worse tomorrow with Champ/Battleoverdoyen and Delta Work/Santini?
Report geoff m March 12, 2019 7:25 PM GMT
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Free money bet as yer can get out in running as he will be tanking coming to 2nd last .


forgot to add if he gets there!!!

Would have been interesting  if he had stood up and how Walsh would have dealt with taking a 3rd champion hurdle away from the dual champion.
Report impossible123 March 12, 2019 7:49 PM GMT
On reflection one could say it was coming given the disrespect he gave to one hurdle at Kempton. Let hope money back next time after demolishing several of my accas. If there was a consolation (don't mean to be disrespectful to supporters of Laurina) I think we knew she'd be confined to the Mares (again) post today.
Report Deplasterer March 12, 2019 8:48 PM GMT
Imp 123, got out of jail with Rachel, beware delta, elliot stable had a best placed 3rd 2day, I very rarely lay but have on him and the national winner.
Report impossible123 March 12, 2019 9:59 PM GMT
^^
I understand Elliot's had an off-day. I'd Battleoverdoyen (20/1) and Santini (4/1) anteposts with the other two as savers (hopefully). And after today I hope it does not get any worse - here's hoping.
Report johnslad March 13, 2019 9:11 AM GMT
2019-03-12
15:35    157036446395    2019-03-12
15:32    GB Chelt 12th Mar / 15:30 2m Grd1 Hrd / Laurina
Lay         1.50    200.00    Won         200.00    500.00
    2019-03-12
15:35    157036358136    2019-03-12
15:31    GB Chelt 12th Mar / 15:30 2m Grd1 Hrd / Laurina
Lay         2.00    100.00    Won         100.00    300.00 Had £50@20/1 Ante Post and layed in running how did your's fare out 123Cool
Report The Sawyer March 13, 2019 10:10 AM GMT
Short memories lads

Last year his best was a 3rd on the Tuesday

Wednesday he had 3 winners
Thursday he had 3 winners
But could only manage 2 on the Friday
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