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splinterboy82
12 Nov 13 23:04
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Entered on Sunday (17/11/13) over both 2m & 2m6f....
This beast is the one i'm most excited about this season....Mullins new superstar?
Took 20/1 Neptune - Can see this going off 5/4f after hacking up in Ireland all season prior to March 2014.

Think Moyle Park will end up being Mullins Supreme horse & Briar Hill heading for AB...

No need to wait until March when you can guess in November ;-)
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Report mr phantom March 12, 2014 1:52 PM GMT
The machine delivered. Well done all backers and contributors to what was an excellent thread
Report quantize March 12, 2014 1:58 PM GMT
Great stuff and well done to everyone who took the gamble ante post for the Neptune at double digit prices.
Report happyhibee March 12, 2014 1:59 PM GMT
Yeah threads like this make this forum one of the best to read all winter
Report unclepuncle March 12, 2014 2:24 PM GMT
Outstanding shout from Splinterboy.Cool

Surely be aimed at the Champion Hurdle next year.
Report quantize March 12, 2014 2:28 PM GMT
Mullins should take Un De Sceux, Annie Power, Vautor, Briar Hill and Faugheen to a racecourse one day when it is closed, give them a proper race over 2m and the winner goes to Champion Hurdle
Report pedrobob March 12, 2014 3:06 PM GMT
wd splinterboy, great call so long ago....
Report sintonian March 12, 2014 4:30 PM GMT
wd Splinter
Report Fallen Angel March 12, 2014 5:58 PM GMT
Just a machine. Hope everyone kept the faith when there were a few market jitters a month ago or so. A very satisfying result
Report festivalfanatic March 12, 2014 7:29 PM GMT
Willie's 2 were the first in the pre-parade ring. Faugheen overshadowed Rathvinden in virtually every respect. Great walker - I love to see horses sway their rear end......Blush
Report cufcno1 March 12, 2014 11:35 PM GMT
Went and seen faugheen in the flesh,im no expert but didn't look the biggest horse in the world so not surprised it stays hurdling ! What a performance though
Report cufcno1 March 12, 2014 11:38 PM GMT
Festival,I seen that,was shaking it's arse all over place,went after the race and it looked as though it had a hard race tbf !
Report deepingfox March 13, 2014 8:56 AM GMT
I believe chasing may be on the agenda next season, and it will be interesting to see how he takes to it.

If he doesn't improve for it, theres a chance he could "do a Big Bucks" and come back to hurdling and win a World Hurdle.
Report Harvester March 13, 2014 9:11 AM GMT
surely champion hurdle next season...??
Report festivalfanatic March 13, 2014 10:01 AM GMT
Willie doesn't appear to hold him in the same regard as either Vautour or Briar Hill. Don't know how he copes with these moderate horses.......Laugh
Report cufcno1 March 13, 2014 10:00 PM GMT
wouldnt mind any of them 3,i agree with the shout for ch !
Report Eeternaloptimist March 13, 2014 10:06 PM GMT
I think the horse is wonderful but he won't win a champion jumping like that in my view.
Report alleged22 March 13, 2014 10:42 PM GMT
if he shows the same disregard for fences....... it could ruin him

tbf I though he jumped loads better for the better ground and the pace of the race, and even when he hits one he,s back on the bridal in a stride, I doubt we have seen the best of this horse yet.....
Report Harvester March 14, 2014 9:47 AM GMT
i agree alleged ... when he hits a hurdle it was like it wasnt even there it's like he's Robohorse! Given his jumping tho' i cant see them putting him over fences next season and i think he will follow the New one's path to CH..

I think Vautour will follow Champagne Fever's path to Arkle..
Report Tory March 15, 2014 4:15 PM GMT
Was a joy to behold being there to watch him strut his stuff. Gave me a few anxious moments with his jumping but he looks a machine
Report bluebirdfan March 18, 2014 9:33 AM GMT
If he could jump a hurdle he'd have won by half of Cheltenham. Be very interesting to hear if any of the Irish contingent know whether he stays hurdling or goes chasing next year
Report Arklearkle March 19, 2014 10:50 AM GMT
I was right over the final hurdle. He didnt step over it but jumped it from a long way back but he landed so far beyond the hurdle it was something else. His flattening of the 3rd last hurdle would have stopped most animals. Immediately after Vautours win WPM said that he, Vautour, would go chasing but was not as definite re Faugheen. It is quite amazing that he said Vautour "was on a different level". One would assume he meant a higher level but perhaps he meant a lower level.
Report duffy March 19, 2014 1:49 PM GMT
He meant a higher one, he was almost dismissive of the notion that faugheen was being compared to vautour, the visual impression of vautours performance was far better than faugheens, it's fair to be impressed by a championship winning performance when it wins in spite of it's jumping, but if it were to run in a CH then his jumping would need to be top class, because of the pace of the race, he won't be running against a bunch of novices, just my opinion though.
Report sj March 19, 2014 5:59 PM GMT
Any news if he's going novice chasing or staying hurdling?
Report Arklearkle May 3, 2014 12:16 AM BST
Gutfeeling wrote on 5th Feb

Be 20,000 posts soon, Lets hope it matches the praise/hype heaped upon it.

I reckon the answer is that he was very much worth it all and I can see many lines written about him over the next twelve months. More amazed than ever that WM still believes Vautour is better than him. Although the novice winners at the festival have a poor record in the CH I can see Faugheen as a major player next March.
Report mrglovesthosetins August 3, 2014 11:22 AM BST
I'll be gutted if this doesnt run in the 2015 Champion Hurdle, ive backed it (6/1) along with Sea The Moon for the Arc (8/1) and Faydhan (20/1) for the 2000 Guineas at odds of 1322/1 to the tune of £275,000. The 3 animals are BEASTS within these races and i can see them all going off nearer 3/1 or under on the day if my foresight is right that they line up in the said races.

1323/1 about a real live 63/1 shot.

This is what dreams are made of Ante Post wise !
Report mrglovesthosetins August 3, 2014 11:28 AM BST
Sorry 1322/1
Report sj August 24, 2014 4:04 PM BST
Fair drift for the Champion Hurdle today
Report mrglovesthosetins August 25, 2014 12:24 PM BST
Back in to 6.2 last matched price, they keep putting up against it, it will go off fav come March and it will hose up.
Report sj August 25, 2014 1:04 PM BST
Saw somebody put up over 3 ton at 7.4 yesterday, wonder if something has been said in terms of target
Report gutfeeling September 1, 2014 4:10 PM BST
Arklearkle wrote

Gutfeeling wrote on 5th Feb

Be 20,000 posts soon, Lets hope it matches the praise/hype heaped upon it.

I reckon the answer is that he was very much worth it all and I can see many lines written about him over the next twelve months. More amazed than ever that WM still believes Vautour is better than him. Although the novice winners at the festival have a poor record in the CH I can see Faugheen as a major player next March.

He showed himself to be worth all the hype and then some, Was on a different planet to those he faced in the Neptune, Could tell you a story about him but here isn't the place, Hope he continues to improve as we all love to see a special horse and since Denman / Kauto it has been quiet imo ( Sprinter Sacre notwithstanding)
Looking forward to seeing him take a fence in that stride.
Report foolsgold123 September 1, 2014 7:23 PM BST
Watched the race when he won in Ireland on the bridle in a decent field over 3m on heavy ground (very impressed). I've already got carried away ante post for the champion hurdle but if Ricci wants a future Gold Cup horse this could be the one (he could be anything). I can see him trying 3m again soon over fences or hurdles I do not know. Am probably talking complete bollox but I wouldn't be surprised.
Report sj September 3, 2014 5:20 PM BST
I was told that I was talking bollox, that although he won it on the bridle I dont think there was a great deal left over 3 miles. We'll see in time
Report Tory September 3, 2014 10:59 PM BST
Can't see him going 3 miles for a while, definitely not the forthcoming season anyway. He's too powerful and electric and for me a fast run 2m is right up his street. Also think he's a better jumper the faster he goes
Report Paterson92 September 4, 2014 12:02 AM BST
Faugheen wins the Champion Hurdle 2015, there's nothing else to discuss on the matter! So for those not already on from 16/1 to the current 5/1 price ... start investing now!
Report mrglovesthosetins September 4, 2014 11:07 AM BST
Totally agree - it will hose up in a fast run champion hurdle.
Report deepingfox September 4, 2014 10:13 PM BST
This is "pound for pound" the best National Hunt horse on the planet in its category - I am expecting this horse to be rated the best 2M Hurdler of the last decade  by the end of this season.
Report Eeternaloptimist September 4, 2014 10:34 PM BST
Pound for pound?

I've heard it all now. I have it on good authority that the horse shiits gold bars as well.

Some people do get carried away.
Report duffy September 5, 2014 3:25 PM BST
fast champion hurdle..loses ground at it's hurdles oops
Report Paterson92 September 5, 2014 5:54 PM BST
yep because Faugheen's jumping was horrific in the Herald Champion Novice Hurdle ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoKR4Y0bHeE
Report Howdi September 5, 2014 6:07 PM BST
some people on this thread seem to have been following the sport for of of 2 seasons hyperbole at its best.
Report Eeternaloptimist September 5, 2014 7:48 PM BST
Paterson

The question arises because of how he kicked the downhill hurdles out of the ground in the Neptune. I don't think he could do that in a champion hurdle.
Report Paterson92 September 5, 2014 8:42 PM BST
I agree that he can't do that in a Champion Hurdle, not denying that. However, that 2 mile race in Ireland showed just how much a decent pace improves his jumping and that pace will be even quicker in the Champion that, in my opinion, will be an advantage. No one can deny his jumping improved that day. He's in the right hands for the next 6 months and with the exception of injury, he will make many punters richer for a 2nd year in a row! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If only I had £1 for every time I heard/read people doubting this horse due to the way he jumps a hurdle - I hope the outcome is the same in 6 months time!
Report Howdi September 5, 2014 9:07 PM BST
don't underestimate jezki won more impressively than he was given credit for, last year.
Report Paterson92 September 5, 2014 9:14 PM BST
Totally agree Howdi and admittedly I was one of those who didn't give him the credit he was due at the time. On the plus side, thanks to Jezki, My Tent has received its last penny from me. Still very interested to see where UDS will end up next season!
Report deepingfox September 5, 2014 9:36 PM BST
Simply The Best, better than all the rest.
Report Eeternaloptimist September 5, 2014 10:20 PM BST
Don't get me wrong paterson. I'm not in any way dismissing the horses chances. I very much liked the way he put the Neptune race to bed and the Punchestown result was very much expected by me because I didn't think the drop to 2 miles would inconvenience him. My personal view at this stage is that Faugheen and Jezki are the two I wouldn't want to be taking on. So I rate the horse very highly and think he is the one who could be anything but as yet until he races against the best we really can't say for sure. But I like him a lot.
Report Howdi September 6, 2014 2:55 PM BST
Good luck paterson.
Report Howdi September 6, 2014 2:56 PM BST
Rumour has it that MTOY is going chasing as first preference.
Report Howdi September 6, 2014 4:49 PM BST
Interesting that Jezki was top rated novice hurdler of 2012-2013 season (and for many a season) before he went on to win the following years Champion hurdle. I for one wouldn't be surprised if he stamped his authority in this division now, although I respect The New One & Faugheen, who could be anything. I am more conservative than most but I would be fairly confident the winner of the Champion Hurdle will come from these three. I would be very interested in Vautour in the Champion hurdle as he struck me as a real Cheltenham specialist, track playing to his strengths. I think he is a solid bet for the Arkle (should he be confirmed for this route), much the same way Simonsig looked a couple of years ago (Simonsig was 3-1 ante post favourite), so 5's looks fair, to me.
Report Howdi September 6, 2014 4:56 PM BST
Faugheen rated 161 now , same mark as Jezki at the end of his Novice Hurdling season, by the way.
Report Paterson92 September 7, 2014 4:42 PM BST
Best of luck Howdi. You been having a few ante post bets already for the festival? I normally wait until November/December but have had a few quid on here and there.
Report Paterson92 September 7, 2014 4:47 PM BST
And with regard to MTOY - massive fan of the horse. Left me devastated on more than one occasion - most notably the defeat to Champagne Fever in the Supreme and the defeat to Jezki in March. But would definitely like to see him over a fence - could be exactly what is required to settle him as nothing else appears to work. Would love to see him win a Champion but unfortunately can't see it happening now.
Report Howdi September 7, 2014 5:23 PM BST
Nothing yet Paterson. I have the uncanny knack of getting one injured once I have backed it.
Report Paterson92 September 7, 2014 5:33 PM BST
Haha I know that feeling. I have the magic of making a horse go off a short priced favourite but fall early on - Briar Hill.
Report brandyontherocks September 8, 2014 8:15 PM BST
Champagne Fever was top rated novice hurdler 2013.  OR164
Report brandyontherocks September 8, 2014 8:17 PM BST
Ignore that. That was RPR.Whoops
Report Howdi September 8, 2014 8:21 PM BST
no he wasnt it was jezki (bhb)
Report brandyontherocks September 8, 2014 8:30 PM BST
Thats why I said ignore what I said. I read his RPR instead of his OR.

Faugheen as I can see is 158. Where did you read 161 ?
Report Howdi September 9, 2014 5:46 PM BST
then don't clutter the site with bollox Laugh
Report Howdi September 9, 2014 5:47 PM BST
faugheen is 161 i'll send you the full excel list if you want via email, if this would be handy let me know, ive sent it to 3-4 people on here over the summer. Howdi
Report SoYouThink September 9, 2014 7:37 PM BST
Faugheen battered his through 3 of the last 4 flights in the Neptune, skied the last, if he jumps the way he hurdles, he hasn't a hope in the big chases in my opinion. I've read the suggestion that he'll "respect" fences more but I can't see it. He has a serious engine but I'd keep this horse to Hurdles and aim him at the Stayers. The owners have Vautour and Annie Power for novice chases.
Report Howdi September 9, 2014 8:50 PM BST
stayers why not champion?
Report SoYouThink September 11, 2014 10:36 PM BST
My opinion Howdi would be that he doesn't hurdle anything like a champion hurdler, at least on the Neptune evidence. In the past the Stayers has been dominated by horses with big engines and a less than perfect hurdling technique, e.g. Big Bucks. I think at this minute that is the profile I would have of him.
Report Paterson92 September 11, 2014 11:23 PM BST
Always interested to see other people's opinions! Puzzle as always (Willie probably doesn't know for certain himself) but my thinking is the following 3 are being targeted ...

Arkle - Vautour (Champagne Fever route)
Champion - Faugheen (has the engine for it - jumping the concern)
Mares Hurdle - Annie Power (now a Grade 1 and no Quevega)

No idea where Un De Sceaux will end up, thought initially another French campaign but having 2nd thoughts. If not, Arkle or Champion likely to be the aim. Pont Alexandre to make a return (not even going to try and guess). Briar Hill I always just assumed would go chasing but I'm thinking World Hurdle could be a possibility. Djakadam maybe Gold Cup? Shaneshill maybe Supreme? Then of course Willie has the Gigginstown pair Tell Us More and Alez Columbierres who may be worth keeping an eye on ...
Report Quvega September 12, 2014 12:31 PM BST
It seems a fashionable viewpoint that Faugheen is a poor jumper. Poor beggar has had a mere 6 starts under rules, 5 of them in a hurdle race, 2 of which were at the very top table. He was a NOVICE during this time and is entitled to improve his technique with more experience. It seemed to me last term that it improved all the way through with racing and in a faster run race.

I don't see it as an issue.
Report Paterson92 September 12, 2014 1:36 PM BST
Well said sir.
Report Eeternaloptimist September 12, 2014 3:14 PM BST
He jumped perfectly well for most of the Neptune and did so again on his final start at Punchestown. The question which remains is how he will take three and two out in the champion? He was going at his own pace over the longer distance this year as he'd taken it up then but he still made a right horlicks of both those flights as the race began to generate steam.

I simply don't believe that he can make such mistakes in 2015 and win a  champion hurdle. Going back over 20 years I don't recall any horse making those types of mistakes at the business end of champion hurdles and winning. Not only are champion hurdlers good hurdlers but they generally have an outstanding ability to get from one side to the other with lightning speed and efficiency and at the highest level this often makes the difference.

So any bet has to be done in the hope that it will be okay on the day because he won't be running on the champion track or anything like it until the day and the chances are that sooner or later he will flatten a hurdle.
Report Quvega September 12, 2014 4:11 PM BST
I would dispute that he made a 'right horlicks' of the flights. He made errors and was less than fluent, as are many novices at times or even seasoned hurdlers.
Jezki is not the best jumper of a hurdle you will ever see, neither is The New One & Punjabi fell before winning his. Just some examples off the top of my head.

Is there room for improvement in Faugheens jumping?  Of Course
Does he have the room to make that improvement? Given the normal progression from novice to more experienced hurdler, I think he does.

Will he make that improvement?  Million dollar question Happy
Report Quvega September 12, 2014 4:19 PM BST
I would be more worried about him staying sound and healthy given he has had reported problems in staying sound. It is encouraging though that he managed to run at Punchestown after appearing at Cheltenham as you would have thought the undulating nature of Cheltenham may have aggravated any underlying soundness issues.
Report Eeternaloptimist September 12, 2014 5:10 PM BST
Neither Jezki or The New One are always the cleanest of hurdlers but they perfectly illustrate the point. Jezki didn't jump four out that well but it didn't matter too much because they hadn't started to race at that stage. The key point is that either by luck or good jockeyship as they began to really race going to three out Geraghty saw a stride and Jezki flew it and jumped two out quickly taking him into the lead and for a few strides after he sat quiet allowing the horse to fill his lungs for the finish. The New One was close enough going to three out but he jumped that one a little clumsily and did so again at two out and they had flown away. Punjabi was generally a good jumper and did jump well when he won. Of course horses can and do come to grief.

Where I disagree is your characterisation of Faugheen's mistakes especially at three out. Two out he was more clumsy and in a champion that would have cost him a length or so. Three out he hit halfway up and flattened it. Champion hurdlers don't tend to do that at that stage because the taps are really turned on. Such a mistake would have cost him two or three lengths at the top level and momentum. Racing so much quicker at that stage could even see him on the floor making that mistake in a champion.

Of course not only could he improve (although he does spend more time than ideal in the air even jumping well) but he just could have one of those rounds like Jezki where he makes his mistake when it doesn't matter and he jumps the hurdles where speed is of the essence really well.
Report Quvega September 12, 2014 5:50 PM BST
Hard to disagree with anything you say really. I am not saying he is the best jumper of a hurdle ever but he is not as bad as some are making out either, in my opinion only of course.
Report Eeternaloptimist September 12, 2014 6:23 PM BST
In the interests of fairness and collective knowledge I'll throw another potential scenario into the equation touched on by some of his greatest advocates. Perhaps this horse just is that little bit special and if he plays to his strength of galloping at a high cruising speed as he did in arguably his two best performances is it not conceivable that he could do a Hardy Eustace from the front and control the race to suit himself? In these circumstances a mistake or two if he's up in the van become less problematic for his chances than if he's sat three or four off the lead and trying to make ground as they run to three out.

From memory with the exception of Sublimity and Hurricane in 2011, in the last decade the winners have either been at the front or near to it or if they couldn't get near the front they were working hard to maintain whatever position they could get (Brave Inca and Hurricane in 2013).
Report Eeternaloptimist September 12, 2014 6:29 PM BST
And this is what draws me back to the jumps year after year. The debate will rage for six months as we sift through all the clues along the way. Not only for this horse and this race but for all the big races at the festival and that's only part of the narrative arc which stretches from the Charlie Hall all the way to Punchestown.
Report Howdi September 12, 2014 6:47 PM BST
Can't recall a horse in recent times who has caused such debate, can't help but think Willie Mullins put everyone away, when he said Faugheen was better, while he mopped up the 14-1 on the Champion (in March, after the festival).
Report Howdi September 12, 2014 6:55 PM BST
^^^ Said was Vautour was better
Report Quvega September 12, 2014 7:00 PM BST
Great isn't it EO. I am NH all the way and start to get a bit twitchy round about now each year, desperate for the jumps to start.
Report SoYouThink September 12, 2014 8:56 PM BST
He smashed and fiddled his way over 3 of the last 4 hurdles in the Neptune and skied the last. On that evidence, I would say he doesn't hurdle well at all. In my opinion as well the best hurdlers are fairly accurate hurdlers from day one. I admit I have not seen the Punchestown race, maybe he improved there.
Report SoYouThink September 12, 2014 9:05 PM BST
I can't see Annie Power being aimed at the Mares. Mullins has umpteen smart mares he could aim at that, e.g. Glens Melody, Upsie, Adriana Des Mottes, Urticaire and probably a few more.

Annie Power's future as they have always said is over fences. I'd say she'll be running in novice chases before long.

Un De Sceaux will probably be campaigned like Champion Hurdler early in the season and he'll be asked to race in a lot bigger races this season compared to last. Faugheen might take this route too if sticking to hurdles but I'll be opposing him if he does.

Don't forget Mullins has Pont Alexandre and Un Atout to come back from injury. The likes of Valseur Lido, Rathvinden and Wicklow Brave, these are potential novice chasers (1 or 2 will run in the Irish Grade 1 hurdles in my opinion too).
Report Eeternaloptimist September 12, 2014 9:16 PM BST
I've always been a punter rather than an owner Howdi but I'd have to say that the trainers responsibility is to his owner. My enjoyment is in analysing the various strands of evidence and I'm afraid I rarely listen to anything a trainer says. In fact I rather take the Paxman line of asking myself why this lying baastard is lying to me. It works far more often than it doesn't. I had a good look at those races post Cheltenham and I was convinced Faugheen was the better horse at any distance with Vautour the better jumper. When Mullins was quite clear that in his mind that Vautour was better it reinforced my view that I was right. Laugh
Report Eeternaloptimist September 12, 2014 9:19 PM BST
As for Annie Power I just think she got outstayed by a very high class horse in More Of That. She's perfectly capable of winning the stayers if he goes chasing and if he stays hurdling it wouldn't surprise me to see them go novice chasing with her this year. I still think she's a very special mare and I think she'll have learned plenty from Cheltenham this year.
Report Howdi September 13, 2014 4:00 AM BST
^^ post post i still think Vautour is a hoss and a half at cheltenham fairly pissed up
Report cufcno1 September 13, 2014 6:44 AM BST
Must admit I was more of a Briar hill fan than faugheen last year but standing near the finishing line at Cheltenham I said to my mate this is a special horse,and the way faugheen travelled over 2 mile next time jumping better reaffirmed my thoughts that nothing will get near him in the church,not even jezki what I backed last year,you should always go with your own eyes..this horse will win the champion hurdle in March !
Report cufcno1 September 13, 2014 6:44 AM BST
Champion sorry
Report Howdi September 14, 2014 7:36 AM BST
So in summary you backed last years winner and are confident of doing the same this year.
Report cufcno1 September 14, 2014 7:47 AM BST
Yes,faugheen to beat jezki,the new one in third,every hurdle flattened off the 1st 3,excited already !
Report Howdi September 14, 2014 9:01 AM BST
Laugh What about backing all of the above horses at 6-1 on here. About 11-8 that one of them wins I think come the day the 11-8 will look rather good value, as I can't see any one else winning.
Report cufcno1 September 14, 2014 9:44 AM BST
It's a good point if you can get 6s about all 3,Vatour,mtoy,that handicapper un de sceux will be arkle bound,nowt else to be bothered about !
Report Howdi September 14, 2014 8:07 PM BST
^^^^ agree.
Report SoYouThink September 14, 2014 10:40 PM BST
Last season was some waste if they decide to send Un De Sceaux over fences now
Report duffy September 15, 2014 11:46 AM BST
I can't believe Faugheen can win a CH with his poor technique, I don't believe the notion that the faster they go the better he'll be, people always say that type of thing, he'll "respect" them more or more pace will aid his technique.

If he has poor technique then the quicker they go will make it worse because he will have less time to sort himself out and the mistakes will cost him ground at every hurdle....from a purist point of view I don't want to see a horse be able to disregard the most fundamenttal aspect of the task at hand and still succeeed in a hurdling speed test...and I haven't seen it happen yet.
Report cufcno1 September 15, 2014 1:35 PM BST
It didn't run through every hurdle at Cheltenham and jumped fine at punchestown,dont think the rest of the challengers are the best of jumpers !
Report duffy September 16, 2014 3:38 PM BST
Going to be fascinating what Pont Alexandre comes back like, remember, before all these latest superstars came along from Mullins...he was supposed to have the raqcing world at his feet, Walsh was even telling Nicholl's not to even bother running one in the Neptune as it was a waste of time....we'll have to see what happens this season with him.
Report Howdi September 17, 2014 3:05 PM BST
SoYouThink • September 14, 2014 10:40 PM BST
Last season was some waste if they decide to send Un De Sceaux over fences now

GOOD POST. SPOT ON.
Report buddeliea September 17, 2014 4:55 PM BST
Blimey lads, you lot will all be knackered by next March!!

By the way, I also think that is spot on.

Anyone think those races in France were a prep for chasing.....bigger hurdles.
Just a thought.
Hope not, I still want to see him trailblazing a Churdle field.
Be some sight I reckon.
Report cyclops September 24, 2014 10:21 AM BST
Six reasons why Faugheen should be laid for the Champion hurdle at 9/2.

1. He may well not aim for the race.
2. He won a point to point over three miles. Has any horse ever done that and then won a Champion?
3. He also won a heavy ground 3 mile hurdle; extraordinary to also have the speed to win a Champion.
4. He's only managed six runs as he nears the age of seven. He may well not be the most robust.
5. His only attempt at two miles led to him routing the field at Punchestown. However, the time of the race was identical to that recorded in the handicap hurdle by a 123 rated horse half an hour later. To suggest that that performance established Champion Hurdle claims has some merit, but to become a short priced favourite?
6. Widely discussed above, he's not the most fluent jumper of hurdles we've see.

Wonderful horse; possibly a legendary one in the making but his current price must be laid and laid and laid.
Report cufcno1 September 24, 2014 11:51 AM BST
Ruby was patting his neck with half a furlong to go at punchestown,he will be aimed at the race,winners of the Neptune normally run well in ch,doesn't look as though he lacks speed,6-4 shot come March.back.back back
Report wellchief September 24, 2014 1:29 PM BST
Spot on Cyclops
Report brandyontherocks September 24, 2014 10:33 PM BST
Cyclops


5. His only attempt at two miles led to him routing the field at Punchestown. However, the time of the race was identical to that recorded in the handicap hurdle by a 123 rated horse half an hour later. To suggest that that performance established Champion Hurdle claims has some merit, but to become a short priced favourite?


His time may have been the same but he was carrying 15lbs more than the Henderson horse. On level weights he would have beaten him 15 lengths/ 4 secs. 
Plus like Carlisle says he came home in his home time the final furlong.

Your other points are good though.
Report rhinestone September 26, 2014 8:41 AM BST
3. He also won a heavy ground 3 mile hurdle; extraordinary to also have the speed to win a Champion.

Very bad placing by the trainer
Report cyclops September 29, 2014 12:48 PM BST
brandyontherocks - fair enough but the second horse in that handicap was only beaten two lengths and carried only two pounds less than Faugheen. Not using this as conclusive, but to have the field stone dead into the straight, while posting an unexceptional time did indicate to me that this was not a great race.
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