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25 Aug 13 10:59
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Report unclepuncle August 28, 2013 11:21 AM BST
Is it restricted to a monkey back on each race - i.e. if you back 4 horses for £50 in the Arkle and they all don't run you only get back £50?

If soemone can post a link to the t&c's I'd be grateful.
Report unclepuncle August 28, 2013 11:30 AM BST
Found them:
Report unclepuncle August 28, 2013 12:10 PM BST
Didn't take advantage of this VC offer last year but having had a look at the races that are available there do seem to be some fair long range bets given you get £50 back as free bet if it's a non runner (£100 max per race). Full T&C's above.

My opening £50 win bet is Chatterbox @ 25/1 for the Jewson.
Report foolsgold123 August 28, 2013 4:40 PM BST
Why Chatterbox mate? Anyone else dig out anymore value in the BetVictor markets?
Report foolsgold123 August 28, 2013 4:40 PM BST
Why Chatterbox mate? Anyone else dig out anymore value in the BetVictor markets?
Report unclepuncle August 29, 2013 8:46 AM BST
Chatterbox was a very decent, if unflashy novice hurdler who was only 8/1 for a very strong Neptune last year. Henderson had been saying all season that he would miss Cheltenham (similar to when Sprinter Sacre was a novice hurdler) but in the end the temptation to run ws too much. He only finished 4th but made umpteen little mistakes as Gerraghty had him in last place on the inside and to my eyes he was getting unsighted at his hurdles as those in front took off just before him - something which is a particular bugbear of mine. He was also impeded on the home turn.

Although he's won his novice hurdles over 2m I don't see him as an Srkle type, and equally he's not an obvious RSA type.
He has been compared very favourably to Bobs Worth by Henderson:
Henderson said: "He doesn't do anything spectacular at home, but he's very good when he goes on a racecourse. He's so like Bobs Worth it's untrue."

Given his connections and obvious potential he could esily be favourite on the day - if he doesn't take to chasing or goes elsewhere I still get my stake back on the day. Whats not to like.Grin
Report unclepuncle August 29, 2013 8:46 AM BST
* He was 9/1 for the Neptune.
Report foolsgold123 August 29, 2013 9:17 AM BST
Interesting! Al take your advice and have a dabble, thanks my friend.
Report unclepuncle August 29, 2013 11:53 AM BST
A very wise decision.Cool

I've got some big fancies for the novice hurdles but VC haven't got any markets up for them yet.
Report duncan idaho September 3, 2013 12:35 PM BST
BetVictor?!  Laugh  If your account is still open, you need to close it
Report alleged22 September 5, 2013 10:21 AM BST
gold cup horse LaughLaughLaugh
Report Howdi September 5, 2013 9:53 PM BST
I wouldn't be surprised to see him run into a place as he stays forever. as does his stablemate who won the 4miler with his c0ck out
Report tomdeane September 6, 2013 11:59 AM BST
Not sure Bob would have won the RSA had he stayed up, but Mullins thought the world of him a season back. Would never put people off backing 25-1 shots but I'd be surprised if he's up to the job really.
Report alleged22 September 6, 2013 12:44 PM BST
is it comedy club night this horse has absolutely no chance in a gold cup, he might run into a place in a national though
Report September 6, 2013 3:24 PM BST
very rude post ^
Report cufcno1 September 8, 2013 4:17 PM BST
i think it was running on empty in the sun alliance so it certainly wont win a gold cup never mind a grand national !
Report sintonian September 9, 2013 11:52 AM BST
was running on empty because the jockey used up his energy quickening around the bend. Almost certainly contributed to his fall. That said, I'd want 40/1 for the GC and looking at his handicap rating the GC will not be the main target this season i'd say.
Report Swagger September 9, 2013 11:26 PM BST
I think Bobs Worth will win it back to back but I agree with the original poster, Boston Bob is the only horse I could see beating him. People forget that Boston Bob wasn't really right at all last season and which is why Ruby chose the wrong horse for the RSA. But given another summer on his back, he must have a chance of progressing this season and if Ruby rides him then he could finally fulfil his potential. But I would give him next to no chance with Paul Townend on his back, brainless ride at the festival, as Sintonian says he was needlessly rushed up via the car park through a panic type manoeuvre. I don't understand how people can say the horse has no chance in the Gold Cup, realistically I can't see why any horse Bobs Worth beat last season would reverse form, the RSA winner I think got lucky on the day and for me doesn't look the type to progress (Boston's Angel type to me), I don't think S Conti properly stays the trip at Cheltenham which doesn't really leave much else.
Report buddeliea September 10, 2013 1:37 PM BST
Well we have Sir Des Champs who weren't far behind Bobsworth,and we have Al Ferof hopefully,SConti was running a big race and Boston Bob will be improving I should think.
I too think Bob could well win again,but hes got some real threats imo.
Report Ballydoyle September 10, 2013 1:52 PM BST
First Lieutenant 16/1
Report cufcno1 September 10, 2013 4:04 PM BST
people maybe underestimating lord windermere who did stay right up the hill,just isnt with a big name stable !
Report Howdi September 10, 2013 7:35 PM BST
Is Invictus back this year beat Bobs Worth from memory
Report mushroom23 September 11, 2013 11:15 AM BST
Bobs Worth had a breathing op after that ace, Invictus wouldnt see which way he went around Cheltenham
Report sintonian September 11, 2013 3:35 PM BST

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First Lieutenant 16/1

After all you said about him last season? My word you've changed your tune Ballydoyle!!
Report Ballydoyle October 7, 2013 1:03 PM BST
Older & stronger this year. Perfect for Gold Cup. Wouldn't have won last year so stand by that the Ryanair was the right race but was evidently one paced in 2nd. Now it has to be the Gold Cup.
Report sintonian October 8, 2013 7:39 PM BST

He was in the wrong race due to owner politics, something his backers AND trainer said all along. He will be 9 next March. The only improvement he has to come is mentally via experience.

16/1 is a fair price, again.
Report foolsgold123 November 28, 2013 4:56 PM GMT
Any news on Boston Bob?
Report sintonian November 28, 2013 5:00 PM GMT
Nope, thought he would have had entries in the Hennessy and John Durkan but none. Really hope he has not had a set-back.

If you have a Racing Post account you can send them a question to put forward to Willie in his Saturday column for the paper. I would do it but I don't subscribe.
Report Arklearkle November 29, 2013 12:05 AM GMT
One really needs to read the T&Cs asociated with the nrfb before making a bet.
Report sintonian November 29, 2013 10:30 AM GMT
Given he had no entries in the Hennessy or Durkan, which I thought was strange, I am wondering if they may be aiming him at the Grand National like they tried with the owners Prince De Beauchene a couple of years, and that he won't run in a chase until after the weights are published. Just a thought...
Report unclepuncle December 1, 2013 2:58 PM GMT
How do you mean Arkle?
Report Arklearkle December 1, 2013 4:04 PM GMT
Things like £50 max per horse and if one backs the same horse twice its the first bet made which counts. Also £100 max per race and as far as I remember its £500 refund in total. One needs to check them rayher than relying on my memory. Tbf a good deal enough.
Report sintonian December 2, 2013 4:32 PM GMT
Has an entry in the Lexus Chase. Trainer has said he will be entered in both hurdles and chases over the xmas period, fwiw. Recent update given to Irish press.
Report Tory December 3, 2013 10:22 AM GMT
Back over hurdles with World Hurdle being the aim by the looks of things
Report Roger The Butler December 3, 2013 11:05 AM GMT
Story here:
Report sintonian December 3, 2013 12:02 PM GMT
Wowzer. Interesting.
Report sintonian December 3, 2013 12:05 PM GMT
They are saying he has had muscle problems, so that rules out making any ante-post bets for the festival on him. If he's as good as he was/promised to be then he could be a real danger to Big Bucks.
Report Graeme83 December 3, 2013 2:27 PM GMT
That's the Mullins effect. The horse should have been a very good chaser, now he's back over the hurdles.
Report duffy December 3, 2013 3:09 PM GMT
He's the new mikhail d'hagueneut!
Report ReaseHeath December 3, 2013 3:10 PM GMT
if Big Bucks comes back as good as he was (big if admittedly but vibes from connections are promising) then I struggle to see Boston Bob troubling him, he could n't peg back Brindisi Breeze in the Albert Bartlett 2 years ago.

World Hurdle looks like it could be a very hot race - Solwhit, Celestial Halo, At Fishers Cross, Rule The World (though he'd have to show better form than at the weekend admittedly).

Also been mentioned as a potential target for Melodic Rendezvous and then you've got Zarkander (though they might wait for Aintree). Not beyond the bounds of possiblity that Annie Power will end up in the race either.

Some of those will fall by the wayside but still think it's likely to be a big ask for Boston Bob.
Report duffy December 3, 2013 3:51 PM GMT
Solwhit for me, unlike a few of past BB challengers here we have a top class 2 miler who stays 3 miles very well, I'm surprised he's not shorter and receiving more support.

I know there's a general concensus that we've heard it all before about this such and such horse will give BB something to do and in the end, BB sees them off, but this really is different, solwhit was a top class 2 miler who has proven he stays the trip well, his starting point is far higher than grands crus, vlv and co!.
Report FOYLESWAR December 3, 2013 4:04 PM GMT
why back over hurdles ? has his fencing not improved at home ? tidal bay staying over fences ?
Report sintonian December 3, 2013 5:18 PM GMT
Noone knows how good Brindisi Breeze could have been, Rease.
Report foolsgold123 December 3, 2013 6:34 PM GMT
not happy at all about this.
Report ReaseHeath December 3, 2013 9:51 PM GMT
yep, fair enough sint - have to confess Boston Bob is one of those horses I've never really warmed to because of all the hype (not the horse's fault admittedly!)Just don't think he's achieved much for a horse that turns 9 in less than a month.

I loved Brindisi Breeze, as much for his performance at Haydock as the Albert Bartlett - what happened to him was desperate, what happened to his jockey was absolutely tragic.

Some useful animals were trounced in that Haydock race.

going a bit off topic, apologies.
Report sintonian December 10, 2013 11:28 AM GMT
Did anyone catch the interview with Willie on ? I only caught the end of it where he said the owner was keen to go down the world hurdle route but then he referred to it as Plan B?
Report alleged22 December 10, 2013 2:33 PM GMT
yes saw most of that interview and its hurdles for BB this year
Report alleged22 December 10, 2013 2:34 PM GMT
did you not see him talking about the novice hurdlers then sint earlier on?
Report Tory December 10, 2013 3:30 PM GMT
Do you mind sharing what he said Alleged regarding the novice hurdlers? Thanks
Report alleged22 December 10, 2013 3:43 PM GMT
wish id taped it now as willie talks in riddles most the time
Report alleged22 December 10, 2013 3:47 PM GMT
but the impression I got was MP is the supreme horse, faugheen was the AB horse but is showing lots of speed will be dropped in trip next time and maybe the Neptune is right race, briar hill was the Neptune horse but might be the AB horse Crazy
Report Tory December 10, 2013 3:51 PM GMT
Cheers and  WPM being really helpful there!! Faugheen does appear to have stamina and gears which would make you think Neptune but who knows!
Report sintonian December 10, 2013 4:20 PM GMT
I only caught the bit about BB, Alleged, and just wanted to double check things. Cheers.
Report Tory December 10, 2013 6:22 PM GMT
Anyone know where I could find a link to the interview? Ta
Report sintonian December 30, 2013 12:20 PM GMT
He should be winning tomorrow shouldn't he??
Report brandyontherocks January 4, 2014 4:03 PM GMT
With SDC now out of the Gold Cup, will they reconsider a Gold Cup challenge with Bob?
Report foolsgold123 January 4, 2014 5:03 PM GMT
I've gone in again with bet.365 25/1 nrnb. I think ruby and willie were surprised on how well he won last time out and will Annie power looking like world hurdle and sdc out I would let him take his chance in the gold cup plus he's huge he's built like a chaser!
Report foolsgold123 January 4, 2014 5:03 PM GMT
I've gone in again with bet.365 25/1 nrnb. I think ruby and willie were surprised on how well he won last time out and will Annie power looking like world hurdle and sdc out I would let him take his chance in the gold cup plus he's huge he's built like a chaser!
Report sintonian January 6, 2014 9:41 AM GMT
How could they have been surprised. He was massively favoured at the weights in that race, beat very little of class there. And I say that as a big fan of the horse.
Report FOYLESWAR January 6, 2014 9:52 AM GMT
forgive me for my ignorance but if a horse is being trainer for the world hurdle i.e 3m+ over timber ,what would be the interruption in the training regime/preparation   to suddenly switch targets to say  3m+ over fences i.e gold cup, would the transition be much different from hurdles to fences ? ,I assume he would be schooling over hurdles at home,would the training set up be much different  from hurdles to fences ?
Report sintonian January 6, 2014 9:54 AM GMT
Not really sure myself, Foyles. I guess the schooling would just be different obstacles. Paul Nichols was going to switch Tidal Bay to the World Hurdle AFTER he won the Lexus Chase. But he got injured.
Report FOYLESWAR January 6, 2014 9:59 AM GMT
yeah sint suppose it would  not  be an ideal situation training a horse for a certain race and then switching targets halfway ,youd imagine youd want everything running smoothly going into the festival ,not an ideal preparation imo ,I would sy he will go world hurdle ?
Report foolsgold123 January 6, 2014 10:01 AM GMT
Won @ 8/11 Mullins was pleased enough with "a nice performance" from the winner.

"He hasn't been doing that at home on the gallops and I didn't expect anything like that," he said.

"Mourad ran poor and coming here I wouldn't have been surprised if this lad had done the same. The owner (Graham Wylie) is keen to go for the World Hurdle.

"Whether that's a World Hurdle performance or not I don't know, but we may go along that route.

"If we're thinking of going that way then the Cleeve Hurdle (next month) could be a possibility at Cheltenham."Mullins said: "That was a nice performance. He hasn't been doing that at home on the gallops and I didn't expect anything like that.

"Mourad ran poor and coming here I wouldn't have been surprised if this lad had done the same. The owner (Graham Wylie) is keen to go for the World Hurdle."
Report rogerthebutler January 6, 2014 10:20 AM GMT
The Gold Cup it is then!

Report sintonian January 6, 2014 10:27 AM GMT
Cheers Foolsgold. But I don't see how they could have been surprised. The horse in 2nd is rated 135, BB is 151 over hurdles and 154 over fences, and he was receiving 8lb. I'd be worried if he did not win like he did tbh. That said, it was as nice a return to hurdles as you could wish to see and he should be winning again. He is in my TTF list and I still retain a lot of faith in him.

So long as the horse is fit,well and in good form Foyles then I guess it can be done. But we can only guess as to how the training would differ. The Gold Cup doesn't really strike me as a race you can suddenly decide to aim at?!
Report Ballydoyle January 6, 2014 7:11 PM GMT
Not jumped a fence this season and signed off with 2 FFs late last year. 25/1 is poor
Report ChildOfMine2 January 6, 2014 7:44 PM GMT
Boston Bob NRNB for the Gold Cup is grand but the World Hurdle is the plan for both owner & trainer. SDC not running has no bearing on Boston Bob's plans.
Report jasey January 6, 2014 8:40 PM GMT
It does m8,Mullins will want a rep in the GC.
For me me tho,Boston Bob and Briar Hill look like they need 6 miles on soft ground.
Report sintonian January 6, 2014 9:57 PM GMT
What he wants and what is realistic are two different things. It depends on what they feel will best suit the horse.
Report jasey January 6, 2014 10:08 PM GMT
True,the world hurdle looks to sharp for BB judging on his Albert Bartlett run
Report Ballydoyle January 6, 2014 10:43 PM GMT
LaughJasey...6 miles lol
Report sintonian January 7, 2014 10:42 AM GMT
Jasey, he won over 20f last time out. He also won a Grade 1 chase over 21f last season.
Report jasey January 7, 2014 2:38 PM GMT
On bad ground tho and normally a sedate pace in Ireland as well m8.
Report ChildOfMine2 January 7, 2014 2:44 PM GMT
Willie wouldn't just run a horse in the Gold Cup 'for the sake of it'. He's said that the Wylies want to go the World Hurdle and anyway, Willie has Rubi Ball for the Gold Cup.
Report sintonian January 19, 2014 3:42 PM GMT
Galmoy Hurdle this Thursday looks another penalty kick on paper for Boston Bob.
Report shockster January 22, 2014 4:45 PM GMT
It would not surprise me if this horse does run in the Gold Cup.  He was a def for the Galmoy but now it's the Cleeve.  Big Bucks beats him and hey presto change of plan Gold Cup.  Willie Mullins, just don't listen to him as all pie in the sky.
Report sintonian January 23, 2014 2:33 PM GMT
I must be fcuking crazy but i've just taken some 5/1 ew for the Cleeve Hurdle. He either runs here or nowhere, and Un Beau Martin just finished 2nd in the Galmoy who was thrashed by BB last time out.
Report shockster January 23, 2014 3:38 PM GMT
That's fair enough Sint.  If Big Bucks has any chinks then every chance.  Boston Bob was given a bit of stick when Brindisi Breeze beat him, but that horse could have been a monster.  Sadly we'll never know.  However, if the field can't beat Big Bucks on Saturday then no hope in March IMO.
Report sintonian January 23, 2014 3:40 PM GMT
Agreed. Boston Bob is race fit and receives 4lb, too. It's his big chance. Has to be backed as he is an eachway bet to nothing imo. You can look at his rating and think he has a lot to find, but the fact is this is only his 2nd run out of novice company, so it's pretty likely it will improve.
Report shockster January 23, 2014 4:00 PM GMT
Only thing I would say is that Un Beau Matin(134) ran to his mark today if you work it out with Mala Beach and Boston Bob was getting 8lb from Un Beau Matin when they met.  Therefore needs a lot of improvement to get to 160ish which he'll need against some of these.
Report ReaseHeath January 25, 2014 4:39 PM GMT
what now?

running out of time and excuses.
Report shockster January 25, 2014 4:46 PM GMT
Gold Cup or miss this year at Cheltenham. No alternative as I see it.
Report stevo1 January 25, 2014 4:49 PM GMT
overhyped horse imo end of.
Report GI MAC January 25, 2014 4:51 PM GMT
Had his ideal conditions today and came up short.
Report ReaseHeath January 25, 2014 4:52 PM GMT
don't see how they can run him in the Gold Cup when he won't have run over fences for the best part of a year, will be coming off two consecutive falls and has had physical problems which were part of the reason he reverted to hurdles in the first place.

It would be a tad irresponsible to run him in the Gold Cup unless he has a successful prep run over fences beforehand.
Report jasey January 25, 2014 5:44 PM GMT
I thought he ran well considering trip was 3 mile short of the distance he needs
Report sintonian January 25, 2014 6:03 PM GMT
Ridiculous thing to say Jasey. I think now he is basically not good enough. The form of the RSA from last season is hardly strong.

Nothing to do with 3 miles not being long enough.
Report sintonian January 25, 2014 6:03 PM GMT
Last time i'll be backing him in Grade 1's anyway. Laugh
Report shockster January 25, 2014 6:09 PM GMT
The RSA form is poor from last year. However, he was going to beat them easily IMO.  Having said that I doubt he'll win the Gold Cup and doubt we'll see him this year at Cheltenham.  Wylies best chance is Tidal Bay and he's 13 but still worth his place but would be amazed if he could pull it off.
Report CVByrne January 25, 2014 6:13 PM GMT
Think they've had an idea aim him at a handicap chase tbh. Think he'd be interesting in old Billy Hill on first day. 2 runs over hurdles probably helped his confidence jumping. Might get some respite of English handicapper and be given 150 or lower possibly.

I'd love to see him sent for a race like the Whitbread tbh.
Report sintonian January 25, 2014 6:15 PM GMT
Can see the angle about getting him some confidence/handicapped, but he finished tamely today. I even though a drop back in trip might be suitable. LaughCrazy
Report jasey January 25, 2014 6:34 PM GMT
Cross country coulld suit him,slow pace and long distance
Report CVByrne January 25, 2014 6:35 PM GMT
What position was hin in when he fell in last years RSA Confused
Report jasey January 25, 2014 6:43 PM GMT
In first the race at his mercy
Report GAZO January 25, 2014 8:44 PM GMT
does he really get three miles on soft ground ?
Report ReaseHeath January 30, 2014 4:00 PM GMT
Entered in the Grade 3 Chase at Kempton towards the end of next month (used to be Racing Post Chase).Mullins stated in Racing Post this morning he could still go for World Hurdle but 'wants better ground'.

The Kempton race looks potentially quite hot (in comparison to previous years) at initial entry stage so I suppose if BB goes there and runs well he might still turn up in the Gold Cup.
Report sintonian January 31, 2014 8:56 AM GMT
They actually need to get him to place in a 3 mile chase IF they want to run in the Grand National. At the moment he does not qualify under their new rules, but has an entry.
Report ReaseHeath January 31, 2014 10:10 AM GMT
had n't realised that, sint - that sounds a more plausible plan.
Report sintonian February 17, 2014 12:20 PM GMT
What's the latest? Was 6/6 lto beaten 50 lengths.. something amiss or what?
Report ReaseHeath February 17, 2014 1:15 PM GMT
you'd be forgiven for thinking so, taken out of both Kempton chase and Bobby Jo on Saturday.
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