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Report big-game-player November 30, 2009 5:50 PM GMT
i do know that pacman v hatton did approx 900 thousand buys and UFC 100 did 1,25 million but as for the rest im not sure..

and UFC doesnt charge as much for their ppvs in the us as boxing does..
Report Templeton Peck December 5, 2009 9:40 PM GMT
Templeton Peck 17 Sep 16:21
Check out Dmitriy Salita, rumoured (BBC) to be Amir Khan's first defence of the title.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=51096&cat=boxer

Ranked 59 by BoxRec and only fought 4 times in 3 years. 3rd best in the Ukraine. Hasn't fought anybody of note and only finished 6 of his last 18 opponents.

A joke and a good example of what is wrong with boxing. Goodness knows what people would say if a world champion in the UFC fought a fighter ranked 59th for the belt.

Sky will still probably charge £15 to watch it...


I owe an apology. It was £14.63.
Report Templeton Peck December 5, 2009 9:55 PM GMT
Who will be the first 'expert' to say Salita was a bum? One 12 round fight in his career. A joke. But easy money! Khan by KO was Evens earlier in the week. Unbelievable.
Report sj December 5, 2009 9:57 PM GMT
Yes you are a "expert"
Report Templeton Peck December 5, 2009 10:15 PM GMT
I was referring to which pundit or journalist. Not anyone on here and not myself.
Report sj December 5, 2009 10:16 PM GMT
You called it take some praise
Report Templeton Peck December 5, 2009 10:19 PM GMT
Thank you.
Report Templeton Peck December 12, 2009 9:48 PM GMT
I present to the jury: Klitschko v Johnson for the heavyweight title of the world.
Report sj December 13, 2009 9:13 AM GMT
i raise you Randy Couture V Brandon Vera


please dont just keep chucking one offs to help your arguement.Yes there will be bad fights,but Mr Peck you seem to go missing when the likes of pacman,cotto,mosely,mayweather,williams,lopez etc(list could be alot longer)are in real wars.
Report stevealan December 13, 2009 9:46 AM GMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsaGvOwMUEU

so this is better

after just four fights he gets a shot at being undisputed heavyweight champ

and whos he fighting



a 45 year old who hasnt fought for 15 months



LMAO
Report Templeton Peck December 13, 2009 10:41 AM GMT
I was unaware I kept chucking in one-offs. Johnson had never had a 12 round fight yet was fighting for the Heavyweight title. Couture and Vera was a legitimate match-up. Neither were exciting but one was legitimate and one wasn't.

As has been mentioned many times, Brock may have had just 4 mma fights but he's had over 100 wrestling (real wrestling, not WWE) matches. It is Mixed Martial Arts, a sport conceived to see which martial art was the best. With MMA being a relatively new sport (especially so as a mainstream sport) you're going to get this happen to begin with but will happen less and less over time as expertise in many aspects will become essential.

So, why was the UFC on tv last night but all this top boxing in the US wasn't? And why was the biggest selling PPV in the US this year UFC and not boxing?

It's head in the sand stuff to say boxing isn't on the decline. Name me another major sport where so many of the top contests aren't on tv? Football? No. Cricket? No. Athletics? No. NFL? No. NBA? No. MLB? No. Tennis? No. Golf? No. Motor Sports? No. UFC? No. Boxing? You know the answer.
Report stevealan December 13, 2009 10:47 AM GMT
How many years has the ufc been top pay per view and would you like a bet it wont be next year
Report stevealan December 13, 2009 10:48 AM GMT
and why are you on a boxing forum


are you lonely one the ufc forum
Report Templeton Peck December 13, 2009 11:09 AM GMT
I like both sports. I joined this thread as a neutral as it seemed to be boxing only fans v UFC only fans. I just find it hard to put up an argument that boxing will not be overtaken by MMA.

I expect this is the first year UFC has beat boxing. But don't you see? UFC beat boxing. The replacement of boxing with MMA as the most popular combat sport is already starting. It's not there yet but to deny it's not a serious threat is a little naive.

So, I ask again, why aren't the top fights from the US on tv here? We may get one or two of the very best but the reason we don't get most the fights is not enough viewers.
Report stevealan December 13, 2009 11:15 AM GMT
Templeton Peck 13 Dec 12:09


I like both sports. I joined this thread as a neutral as it seemed to be boxing only fans v UFC only fans. I just find it hard to put up an argument that boxing will not be overtaken by MMA.


it wont next year
Report stevealan December 13, 2009 11:16 AM GMT
has ufc ever been on prime time terrestial tv or will it ever be in your opinion
Report Duketurtle December 13, 2009 11:46 AM GMT
it is sad that we can't get broadcasts over here for the likes of last nights bradley or malignaggi cards. I think it's more down to greedy promoters and the likes of hbo etc demanding outrageous prices for the foreign exporting rights which the ufc is sensible enough to negotiate and be realistic. Better than boxing though? I flicked it over while struggling to get a boxing link last night, thought i'd accidently put bravo or virgin on and was watching a demonstration of the karma sutra,the **sexual one at that. Two men, interlocked in various positions for over 5 minutes. It made me feel a little bit sick, like when vito and johnny cakes get together on the sopranos....
Report Templeton Peck December 13, 2009 12:17 PM GMT

stevealan 13 Dec 12:16
has ufc ever been on prime time terrestial tv or will it ever be in your opinion


In the US, MMA is live on CBS at prime time. The UFC are using the PPV model at the moment although a switch to mainstream tv is likely in the next few years. In the UK it hasn't. And I'd be surprised if it ever will as terrestrial tv shows very little live sport on a Saturday night.

To the other guy who sees **sexual acts when he watches two men fighting. I think that says more about you than the sport!

Whether you prefer one sport over another is down to personal choice and I wouldn't argue otherwise. However, the world is moving to more extreme tastes. The analogy is how Twenty20 is overtaking Test cricket. Some people may find Twenty20 crass but it is undoubtably the direction cricket is moving. The same with boxing and MMA, youngsters are much more interested in the UFC than boxing. Sponsors are much more interested in MMA than boxing. TV is much more interested in UFC than boxing.

Yes, next year's top selling PPV will be boxing. Manny v Floyd, Haye v Klitschko, a Hatton comeback and, possibly, Amir Khan will all be huge fights over here. Boxing's popularity isn't going to drop off a cliff, it's a slow and gradual decline which will happen over years. Why were there many more 1m+ PPVs in the 90s than this decade?

UFC is on the up, there's no question.

Are you trying to tell me that the lack of boxing on tv, the fact PPV sales are lower than the 90s, the fact the best fights in the pipeline involve fighters who have retired shows boxing is in a healthy state?
Report sj December 13, 2009 12:22 PM GMT
Well its not a slow decline is it? This is the best in terms of PPV's since 1999 and unreal live attendances. There is no decline
Report stevealan December 13, 2009 12:29 PM GMT
i dont live in the us i am talking about the uk
Report stevealan December 13, 2009 12:32 PM GMT
the main problem i have with ufc is that hitting someone on the floor just isnt my style and shows a distinct lack of class and not a way for any man to carry on
Report stevealan December 13, 2009 12:35 PM GMT
so as a sport if you want to watch a 31 year old hitting a 45 year old on the floor i suggest you may have issues on what you call a sport
Report Templeton Peck December 13, 2009 1:01 PM GMT
sj 13 Dec 13:22
Well its not a slow decline is it? This is the best in terms of PPV's since 1999 and unreal live attendances. There is no decline

If there's no decline then why, in a time with plenty of dedicated sports channels, were the two world title fights in the US (and Malignaggi v Diaz) not shown on tv in the UK?

In a slow decline you will get a number of spikes, such as next year, but the overall trend is down. The 90s outsold the 00s in boxing. Khan didn't sell out the Metro Arena (according to Ian Darke on Sky), Carl Froch has to fight abroad and when he fights in the UK only fights in Nottingham. Calzaghe's retired, Hatton could fill out somewhere but we all know he's as good as finished. Only David Haye has the potential to fill out major venues.


stevealan 13 Dec 13:32
the main problem i have with ufc is that hitting someone on the floor just isnt my style and shows a distinct lack of class and not a way for any man to carry on

stevealan 13 Dec 13:35
so as a sport if you want to watch a 31 year old hitting a 45 year old on the floor i suggest you may have issues on what you call a sport


Like I said, my argument isn't about whether an individual prefers MMA or boxing, it's about the direction of the sport as a whole. I can perfectly understand why someone wouldn't like MMA, it can be vicious. Although it is safer than boxing as competitors take fewer blows to the head. I wouldn't say either boxing or MMA are particularly 'classy'. They two grown men punching, kicking and choking each other.
Report stevealan December 13, 2009 1:04 PM GMT
oh dear boxing is all about class

ufc is pub fighters put in a ring

its poplarelike most freak/circus acts

but will fade
Report sj December 13, 2009 1:05 PM GMT
They cant show every fight mate jesus. They show Friday fight night every week. I dont see Sky televising too many UFC matches do you? There is also PPV's. As for the live attendances we can all pick out again(you're very good at this) a few exceptions. Wlad Haye sold out 60,000 in less than a week. Mosley V Margarito was a staples center record for any event. The Cotto Pacquiao fight was the biggest sporting event in Vegas this year. There were 10 Casinos charging $50 a tciket just to watch it on CCTV something which has never been done before(to that scale)
Report stevealan December 13, 2009 1:06 PM GMT
how can ufc be called a sport
Report owl4life December 13, 2009 4:15 PM GMT
how can ufc not be called a sport?
Report PoleCatEddy December 13, 2009 7:08 PM GMT
I can't be bothered wading through all this, so if my following point has recently been made I apologise...

I think UFC is going through a dip in popularity if anything recently. Looking at their heavyweight picture, their figurehead Broch Lesnar is out of action possibly permanently with a serious intestinal problem that needs repeated operations - Which probably shows that living off 2000% the recommended daily intake of protein with steriods will eventually fu ck you up good and proper! - And Fedor shows no interesting in going to America. It's all starting to seem a little ...tiresome!

I like UFC but I think it's always going to be a sport that lives in the shadow of boxing. UFC constantly re-cycles it's fighters - And of course boxing does too - But when your roster of signed fighters is so small a sense of de ja vu creeps in. The latest Ultimate Fighter was pretty naff, even with Kimbo Slice included.

I think it's a bit of a joke to suggest that UFC has any match ups as gripping as Pac against Mayweather coming up next year. I think the UFC crew need to concede that their tapped out for now, and go and get their own forum :)
Report mightymoyes December 13, 2009 8:03 PM GMT
are people not allowed to like both?
Report stevealan December 13, 2009 8:07 PM GMT
^ lmao no if we all fence sit forum would die
Report Dylan1975 December 13, 2009 8:09 PM GMT
the heavy weights have never been that interesting in UFC but the lower weights are ultra competitive with so many highly skilled fighters in there. Guys like BJ Penn, St Pierre, Anderson Silva are every bit as impressive in their sport as Mayweather, Pac are for boxing.
Report PoleCatEddy December 13, 2009 9:50 PM GMT
They're not that impressive if they have nobody to fight anymore. The opposition has been chewed up and spat out. Where's the interest now?
Report sol_dave December 13, 2009 9:57 PM GMT
stevealan 13 Dec 14:06
how can ufc be called a sport



oh wow

hahahaha
Report PoleCatEddy December 13, 2009 10:09 PM GMT
It's definitely a sport, but it is still one in it's infancy really. The fighters quoted above, Silva, St Pierre and BJ Penn will all probably look a little primative in ten years time. The depth of skilled fighters is still far to shallow to really compare to boxing. I also have doubts that the brutal nature of the game would always be a turn off for even a boxing fan with a more sensitive disposition. For example, it wasn't too long ago that Frank Mir snapped somebody's arm and the UFC repeatedly showed the footage clearly showing the arm break. That's pretty gross in anyone's book!
Report sol_dave December 13, 2009 10:25 PM GMT
grose and rare, would you see a replay of a shot that breaks a jaw in boxing? I think so.....

Dont see how a guy like BJ will be primitive at any time, the guy won the grappling mundials at 21 and Freddy Roach rates his boxing very highly, add to that unreal flexibility and takedown defence, crazy talent.
Report mightymoyes December 13, 2009 11:08 PM GMT
or st.pierre, he is a phenomenon.
Report owl4life December 13, 2009 11:10 PM GMT
gsp is a freak of nature, unreal, great advert 4 the sport, wud love 2 c him fight silva
Report carlos monzon December 14, 2009 12:34 AM GMT
totaly agree with poley, a little bit to brutal in my view. it seems to me to be a sport of a luck. so many upsets, but maybe thats due to good matchups. but the sport came on over the last few years and its come to a haltnow.

not many people betting on it as bookies dnt alow u 2 have much on the match ups. i rember trying to put 1500 on dan henderson to beat that british fellow from liverpool. bospong or watever his name is and they wud only alow max of 300. and the odds were like 2/5
Report Templeton Peck December 15, 2009 5:34 PM GMT
carlos monzon 14 Dec 01:34
totaly agree with poley, a little bit to brutal in my view. it seems to me to be a sport of a luck. so many upsets, but maybe thats due to good matchups. but the sport came on over the last few years and its come to a haltnow.


That's exactly what it is. Because the UFC dictate who fights who, they choose the fights which will be a) entertaining and/or b) have title shot connotations. So they often have a great striker up against a great submission fighter. Or they'll have two fighters who are closely matched to see who should move closer to a title shot and who should not.
Report vinnie_roe December 15, 2009 9:58 PM GMT
some of the ufc main events have been really poor recently, and the future events look moderate as well.
105 - old fighter beats a no name.
106 - two shot fighters
108 - both got thrashed by machida
109 - two old fighters?
110 - old v no name

Boxing has stretched clear over the last 6 months, and with the best p4p fighters taking each other on in march, haye against the brothers, super 6 and so much more, there's only going to be one winner.
Report ELG December 16, 2009 11:37 AM GMT
108 is absolutely MEGA fight.

Your talking two of the best fighters from two of the BEST MMA training camps in the US going to war.

EVANS representing Greg Jackson's powerful camp based in New Mexico.

and

Thiago Siva representing American Top Team in Florida Creek.

Hugh fight....ATT have a major score to settle after Thiago Alves got manhadled by GSP at UFC 100.
Report carlos monzon December 16, 2009 7:51 PM GMT
if u take fedor out of the picture the game has no real super stars. anderson de silva, st paire, the prodigy etc r all good but just dnt tick all the rite boxes. silva is the best over the years by a distance but he dnt speak english well at all which has proven to be a difficult hinderance to overcome.

i think ufc is a good sport, but people in my opinion have had enuff of combat sports.

all the other sports r totaly fair except combat sports (boxing in particular). they r so much more money focused than other sports. unfair advantages take place etc, which makes it realy ugly. y cant we alow the best man to win every time. y all the bad decsions, avoiding opposition, circus like fights r the usual etc. it gets people angry as well as seriously bored.

however ufc has done a very good job with everything so far. but i believe its a matter of time b4 it follows boxing with all the corruption coming in2 the sport in the very near future. good luck to it if continues with its honest rules and consistantly producing the rite winners at the end of the fite. 1 thing u cant deny about ufc it has provided the best possible fights they cud with the fighters available to them. and near enuff all the decsions have been excellent. there have been no daylight robberies

i think people respect that alot.
Report Templeton Peck December 17, 2009 7:20 PM GMT
I'd say Brock Lesnar is a superstar. 1.7m PPV in July. Just hope he gets well soon.
Report PoleCatEddy December 17, 2009 7:46 PM GMT
He'll be back on the steriod burgers in no time ;)
Report stevealan December 17, 2009 8:13 PM GMT
Templeton Peck 17 Dec 20:20


I'd say Brock Lesnar is a superstar. 1.7m PPV in July. Just hope he gets well soon

Lesnar also talked about his physique and steroids,

God gave me this body: Are you jealous of it or what? Give me a break. I got the genetics of
Report PoleCatEddy December 17, 2009 8:45 PM GMT
If Brock hasn't gobbled a pharmacy full of steroids in his time, and if his messed up intestines aren't mainly to caused by a crazed mixture of illegal and legal body building drugs ...then I'll eat the horse he probably has for breakfast every day! :)

I imagine with a sport in its infancy like UFC, that beating the odd predictable drug test doesn't take an Einstein!
Report carlos monzon December 18, 2009 12:53 AM GMT
sure his a superstar but not because of his ufc skills, i think its got more to do with wwf tbh
Report Templeton Peck December 18, 2009 9:12 AM GMT
Yep, he's a superstar primarily because of his WWE background. Just check how WWE PPVs have plummetted and UFC have shot up over the last year or two.

However, his size, personality, ability (he is a top wrestler), athleticism and attitude are all the attributes of a superstar.

As for drugs, I'm fairly certain they're tested by the same commissions that test the boxers. The UFC don't do the drug testing, it's down to the state where the fighter will be fighting. Many MMA fighters have been banned for drug taking and more than in boxing, so doesn't appear they're brushing anything under the carpet.

I expect Brock's illness is owing to steroids/human growth hormone taken in his WWE days.
Report stevealan December 18, 2009 9:17 AM GMT
not really a superstar if its all fake though is he

fake wrestler
fake body
Report Occam's Razor January 5, 2010 9:24 PM GMT
UFC pay peanuts to their fighters compared to boxing. Brock Lesnar earned $400,000 for UFC 100 - The biggest UFC event ever.

The payout for UFC 108 last week is below:

Rashad Evans
Report Templeton Peck January 5, 2010 10:16 PM GMT
You forgot the disclaimer:

"In other words, the above salary figures are simply base salaries reported to the commission and do not reflect entire compensation packages for the event."

The top fighters get way more than the base salaries you've listed. I don't know how many but the top names have a percentage of PPV sales in their contracts.
Report carlos monzon January 7, 2010 1:13 AM GMT
yeh iv heard that 2. i think fedor gets paid 2 mill dollars. not sure if its true or not.

i like the win bonus and the ko bonus, makes it so much more exciting and harder for competitors to throw matches
Report comeonkautostar January 7, 2010 11:32 AM GMT
Surprised this thread is still going - suppose thats what happens with so many igorent persons on it

Just on drugs - most UFC events are staged in Las Vegas and as such come under the jurisdiction of the NSAC (Nevada State Athletic Commission) and hence Mixed Martial Artists are exposed to the same random drug testing that boxers are.

The whole idea that all MMArtists are on PED's and boxers are not comes from the most feeble minded pathetic pro boxing/anti UFC mugs on the planet - not to mention without one shred of evidence

On Brock Lesnar, for the 16th and last time - he is incredibly skilled in one martial art - wrestling. Thats proper wrestling. Not the fake WWE crap, the actually hugely popular US collegiate sport of amateur wrestling. Many of the most successful MMArtists have a backgroud in this and it is widely seen as the best art to start off with in order to successfully transition to the sport of MMA. This amazing attribute, which is impossible to admire unless you know and understand what you are looking at, and his quite frankly huge frame, has enabled him to take fights to the ground, thus annulling the Muay Thai, Boxing, Kick Boxing and Karate of his opponents, and then control them on the ground, thus annulling the Brazilian Juijitsu of his opponents, and become successful.
Report big-game-player January 7, 2010 10:41 PM GMT
utter balls that list above.. thats a basic number.

lesnar was paid upwards of 4million us dollars after ppv numbers were tallied. That number above is the very smallest minimum any of them would get paid.

its not boxing level paydays admittedly but it will be in the years to come if ufc keeps drawing MASSIVE monthly numbers for its ppvs.

mayweather and pac will prob get 20 mill guaranteed if not less and THEN when the ppv numbers start coming in they will start to earn much more. they will get paid on predicted numbers, then they will get a cut on early ppv buys. but if for some reason it only sold 500,00 there is no way they would get the reported 35million each.
Report carlos monzon January 8, 2010 2:17 AM GMT
i totaly agree big game player, i think the they have gone way over board with the 35 mil bussiness. maybe 25 mil each
Report Al Be Fuct January 8, 2010 6:06 AM GMT
UFC supporters who say this remind me of rugby vs league comparrisions here in Oz by league fans.

Inferiority complex.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet January 9, 2010 1:01 AM GMT
comeonkautostar 07 Jan 12:32

Surprised this thread is still going - suppose thats what happens with so many igorent persons on it


should be no cause for surprise. this is what happens when a bunch of sensible folk are trying to reason with a totally igorent person.
Report Shovel Hook January 16, 2010 9:33 PM GMT
Awwwww...only just noticed this thread..sorry had to bring it back to the top.

Theres always somebody trying to preach there cause or cause a division...this is a boxing forum...stop trolling purely for aggro.
As a fan of combat sports it always annoys me to see people trying to enflame the boxing MMA divide.

I enjoy both sports, but boxing is my true love. I appreciate the ground work, but my main enjoyment as a spectator comes from the stand up. I regualry attend boxing events..but also love to watch Kickboxing, K1 ,and Muay thai events aswell.

I think the striking element of MMA has not evolved into a distinct science yet...the grappling doesnt need to change, so is already where it needs to be.
Boxing evolved form a form of fighting which involved prolonged grappling into what it is today...does this mean MMA will eventually have to move further towards mainly grappling and awya from striking.
I just cant see where MMA will end up when its finally finds an equillibrium.

Just enjoy both sports for what they are..different!
Report sidthekid January 21, 2010 2:25 PM GMT
What do 2 British women do when they have University Degree`s, Doctorate`s and children, take on the rest of the female world at cage fighting, Great viewing.

BBC i-player

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00pzcc0/Storyville_20092010_Cage_Fighting_Women/
Report Templeton Peck January 24, 2010 7:24 PM GMT
Tonight at 10pm on ESPN is 'The Best of UFC 2009'. Three hours of top action, may be worth a watch for those who haven't been converted. I guess if you don't like this then it's not for you.

Oh, and it's free for non-ESPN subscribers.
Report stevealan January 24, 2010 7:45 PM GMT
^its on channel 936
Report stevealan January 24, 2010 10:51 PM GMT
what a pile of sh ite

chuck how old and slow liddel is it over :^0

keith dean of mean :^0 yeah so mean taken out by a flick to the ear
Report stevealan January 24, 2010 11:02 PM GMT
and now a muppet with a mop on his head
Report Masterminded January 24, 2010 11:17 PM GMT
stfu imo^^^ why are you watching it?
Report stevealan January 24, 2010 11:34 PM GMT
whos that tub of lard
Report stevealan January 24, 2010 11:45 PM GMT
now theres a fat geezer laying on another one

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Report stevealan January 24, 2010 11:47 PM GMT
and this shi te is meant to be better than boxing :^0 :^0 :^0 :^0
Report stevealan January 24, 2010 11:55 PM GMT
NOT IN THE SAME BALL PARK

FK ME THATS LIKE COMPARING MY SCHOOL BASKET BALL TEAM WITH THE HARLEM GLOBE TROTTERS




OFFICIAL END OF THREAD
Report Templeton Peck January 25, 2010 7:37 AM GMT
Templeton Peck 24 Jan 20:24
I guess if you don't like this then it's not for you.


I guess it's not for Stevealan, although he did appear to watch all three hours...
Report Templeton Peck January 25, 2010 9:59 PM GMT
stevealan, are you Bob Arum?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE_tsPatoBU&NR=1
Report stevealan January 25, 2010 10:10 PM GMT
no m8 cant be i have a skin head and tattoos :^0

and he s talking sh ite about mayweather manny he dosent know how it would sell what a chump
Report bradCFC January 28, 2010 4:01 PM GMT
I'm a huge boxing fan and can't bring myself to watch UFC/MMA whatever you wanna call it. It seems the huge majority of the fighters can't throw a decent technical punch to save their lives, and when their wild punches DO land the guys have glass jaws. As soon as it goes to the ground they roll around for up to 5 minutes semi-naked like **sexuals. They've done a great job promoting it, but anyone who appreciates true skill should stick with boxing. I truly believe that if Brock Lesnar fought Wladimir Klitschko, or if Pacquiao fought the top Welterweight MMA had to offer, the boxers would win by way of KO within 10 minutes.
Report comeonkautostar January 29, 2010 11:18 AM GMT
bradCFC 28 Jan 17:01
I'm a huge boxing fan and can't bring myself to watch UFC/MMA whatever you wanna call it. It seems the huge majority of the fighters can't throw a decent technical punch to save their lives, and when their wild punches DO land the guys have glass jaws. As soon as it goes to the ground they roll around for up to 5 minutes semi-naked like **sexuals. They've done a great job promoting it, but anyone who appreciates true skill should stick with boxing. I truly believe that if Brock Lesnar fought Wladimir Klitschko, or if Pacquiao fought the top Welterweight MMA had to offer, the boxers would win by way of KO within 10 minutes.



More absolute bullsh1t from a moron ignoramous. Why don't people that don't know what they are talking about keep their mouths shout? Take this muppet. Readily admits he can't bring himself to watch MMA, yet gives an opinion on it anyway! pmsl

(a) Majority of fighters can't throw a decent punch? Hmm. Funny that. Heard of Freddie Roach? Probably the best boxing trainer in the world? Well he works with Andrei Arlovski. Says he's a good as Juan Carlos Gomez. He's worked with BJ Penn and says he's very impressive. He says Anderson Silva is good too. Marcus Davis was a pro boxer. Are the claiming they puch as good as boxers? Of course not. They have too many other arts to focus on, like Brazilian Jujitsu and Muay Thai, to be as good. But saying the majority of MMArtists can't throw a technical punch is bullsh1t.

(b) The guys have glass jaws? :^0 You realise MMArtists fight with little 4oz gloves, right? And not the massive 12oz pillow spheres that boxers fight with? Check out a guy called Clay Guida too - I doubt many boxers could take a kick or punch to the head like he can. Yet more nosense from you.

(c) I don't know any **sexuals that roll around the ground semi naked while trying to break each others arms or legs, or trying to choke each other out. But you seem to................each to their own is what I say. ;-)

(d) I truly believe that if Brock Lesnar fought Wladimir Klitschko, or if Pacquiao fought the top Welterweight MMA had to offer, the boxers would win by way of KO within 10 minutes.

In a boxing contest the boxing guy would win sooner than 10 minutes. But in a FIGHT, and thats what these two sports are meant to represent, the MMA guy would kill, and I mean kill, Klitscho or Pacman. What defense would they have once they are getting knee'd to the face in a Muay Thai clinch by Anderson Silva? Or wrestled to the ground and getting their face smashed in by Brock Lesnar? Or getting their front leg smashed to bits by Forrest Griffin's front kicks? Or getting their arm broke in a GSP arm bar? Or getting Rear Naked Choked by BJ Penn? I'll tell you the defense they'd have - sweet FA.



In future, no what you are talking about before entering into a debate. Otherwise you just make a fool of yourself like you have here.


Oh, and to the mugs saying, without any evidence whatsoever, that MMA had a PED problem, check this out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8485892.stm



Next.
Report stevealan January 29, 2010 11:41 AM GMT
b) The guys have glass jaws? You realise MMArtists fight with little 4oz gloves, right? And not the massive 12oz pillow spheres that boxers fight with? Check out a guy called Clay Guida too - I doubt many boxers could take a kick or punch to the head like he can. Yet more nosense from you.

you ve actually shot yourself in the foot with that comment

imagine being hit by tyson , lennox , ali , hagler etc with 4 oz gloves on

and if an mma fighter actually fought manny its not that easy to get to him

and wrestling klits to the groung wouldnt be that easy either


i would love to have seen brock trying to get inside alis jab :^0
a great ali quote here he would think he was surrounded
Report sj January 29, 2010 11:51 AM GMT
In a boxing contest the boxing guy would win sooner than 10 minutes. But in a FIGHT, and thats what these two sports are meant to represent, the MMA guy would kill, and I mean kill, Klitscho or Pacman. What defense would they have once they are getting knee'd to the face in a Muay Thai clinch by Anderson Silva?


So you dont think boxers can FIGHT?
Honestly kauto(at times) you sound like the bloke down the pub who says he could do tyson in a street fight,as there are no rules,ffs mate these blokes are paid fighters
Report owl4life January 29, 2010 12:26 PM GMT
i think his argument is the guy with superior all round skills would win, which would be more often than not a mixed martial artist
Report sj January 29, 2010 4:02 PM GMT
comeonkautostar 29 Jan 12:18


bradCFC 28 Jan 17:01
I'm a huge boxing fan and can't bring myself to watch UFC/MMA whatever you wanna call it. It seems the huge majority of the fighters can't throw a decent technical punch to save their lives, and when their wild punches DO land the guys have glass jaws. As soon as it goes to the ground they roll around for up to 5 minutes semi-naked like **sexuals. They've done a great job promoting it, but anyone who appreciates true skill should stick with boxing. I truly believe that if Brock Lesnar fought Wladimir Klitschko, or if Pacquiao fought the top Welterweight MMA had to offer, the boxers would win by way of KO within 10 minutes.


More absolute bullsh1t from a moron ignoramous. Why don't people that don't know what they are talking about keep their mouths shout? Take this muppet. Readily admits he can't bring himself to watch MMA, yet gives an opinion on it anyway! pmsl

(a) Majority of fighters can't throw a decent punch? Hmm. Funny that. Heard of Freddie Roach? Probably the best boxing trainer in the world? Well he works with Andrei Arlovski. Says he's a good as Juan Carlos Gomez. He's worked with BJ Penn and says he's very impressive. He says Anderson Silva is good too. Marcus Davis was a pro boxer. Are the claiming they puch as good as boxers? Of course not. They have too many other arts to focus on, like Brazilian Jujitsu and Muay Thai, to be as good. But saying the majority of MMArtists can't throw a technical punch is bullsh1t.

(b) The guys have glass jaws? You realise MMArtists fight with little 4oz gloves, right? And not the massive 12oz pillow spheres that boxers fight with? Check out a guy called Clay Guida too - I doubt many boxers could take a kick or punch to the head like he can. Yet more nosense from you.

(c) I don't know any **sexuals that roll around the ground semi naked while trying to break each others arms or legs, or trying to choke each other out. But you seem to................each to their own is what I say.

(d) I truly believe that if Brock Lesnar fought Wladimir Klitschko, or if Pacquiao fought the top Welterweight MMA had to offer, the boxers would win by way of KO within 10 minutes.

In a boxing contest the boxing guy would win sooner than 10 minutes. But in a FIGHT, and thats what these two sports are meant to represent, the MMA guy would kill, and I mean kill, Klitscho or Pacman. What defense would they have once they are getting knee'd to the face in a Muay Thai clinch by Anderson Silva? Or wrestled to the ground and getting their face smashed in by Brock Lesnar? Or getting their front leg smashed to bits by Forrest Griffin's front kicks? Or getting their arm broke in a GSP arm bar? Or getting Rear Naked Choked by BJ Penn? I'll tell you the defense they'd have - sweet FA.



In future, no what you are talking about before entering into a debate. Otherwise you just make a fool of yourself like you have here.


Oh, and to the mugs saying, without any evidence whatsoever, that MMA had a PED problem, check this out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8485892.stm



Next.

WARNING WARNING WARNING

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt1GcBeYUmY


Yes Kauto he looks truely "special" does Anderson Silva


Yes that Anderson Special Silva's boxing record is a fantabulous 1-1 and sparked in that 1 loss. You and Freddie reall know your stuff good call. For more Anderson "Ali shuffle's" visit Waytomakemyselflookatw at.com/
Report sj January 29, 2010 4:03 PM GMT
Please get back Kauto I'd like an explanation on the "shuffle" and Freddie's comments
Report sj January 29, 2010 7:08 PM GMT
"Rear naked choked by BJ Penn" Is that with or without the hot pants on?
Report sj January 31, 2010 1:43 PM GMT
Please talk me through the Ali Shuffle
Report Templeton Peck February 18, 2010 9:25 AM GMT
This Saturday/Sunday could result in another shift of popularity.

If you were to construct a perfect rivalry in a combat sport in the US then I think it would look something like this:

Fighter A: An all-American kind of guy. White skinned, a hunter, from the north, a background in a similar industry which relied on PPV sales, physically intimidating, a controversial guy who divides people, a great communicator, an excellent wrestling background and is willing and able to fight both on the ground and standing up.

Fighter B: The opposite. From a southern state, darker skinned with a central American (preferably Mexican) background, proud of his roots, can speak fluent English and Spanish, young, unbeaten, not controversial, an excellent wrestling background and is willing and able to fight both on the ground and standing up.

A is obviously Brock Lesnar. B is Cain Velasquez who is fighting Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira in Sydney at UFC 110 on Saturday night. If Cain wins then he'll become a serious rival to Brock and the UFC will rubbing its hands together.

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist but if I was then I'd think the UFC will do whatever they can to ensure Cain wins. This rivalry could become huge.
Report Ericali February 18, 2010 12:02 PM GMT
yawn....
Report Templeton Peck February 18, 2010 12:30 PM GMT
Insightful.
Report Ericali February 18, 2010 12:36 PM GMT
Its boring... nobody wants to read about it.

Its a boxing forum.
Report Templeton Peck February 18, 2010 12:53 PM GMT
There's 12 pages of it, if you don't like it then why are you writing on it? It is not for you to decide what people want to read.

This thread does concern boxing. My post concerns the fact that boxing is huge in the hispanic population of the US and if there was a viable competitor in MMA then it could draw some fans away from boxing.

Now that would worry Bob Arum...
Report Ericali February 18, 2010 12:58 PM GMT
I wouldn't Mr Arum would even be slightly worried by this jumped-up wrestling garbage.

And your right there is 12 pages of it.... mostly people saying that UFC / MMA is ** & for you to post on a different forum
Report Templeton Peck February 18, 2010 1:06 PM GMT
Hmm, I expect I was being optimistic in expecting a sensible discussion on whether the UFC having a Hispanic heavyweight title challenger would cause a shift in the fighting interests of the US's Hispanic population.

Arum would be worried as he said just recently that boxing in the US is for the Hispanics and UFC is for the whites.

Saturday's UFC 110 sold out on pre-release. Frank Warren's best boxers couldn't even sell-out (according to Kevin Mitchell in the Observer) a venue almost half the size on Saturday. It's head-in-the-sand stuff to say the UFC isn't a threat to boxing.
Report sj February 18, 2010 1:27 PM GMT
is that like the dana white comment that no one wanted to see mayweather marquez then had to admit he/ufc got their ars8s kicked.
btw i have tried to watch it and for me it is dull as dish water,for others its great but please stop trying to come on and knock boxing( i know you will retort that you are a boxing lover/fan) but i have my doubts.
Report sj February 18, 2010 1:33 PM GMT
and btw to use saturdays card(which only had a european title fight as top of the bill) is again quite laughable on your part.But anything to get a dig in at boxing.
Report Ericali February 18, 2010 1:34 PM GMT
How would you get a sensible discussion out of me on whether the UFC having a Hispanic heavyweight title challenger would cause a shift in the fighting interests of the US's Hispanic population when I plainly dont give 2 hoots about the
Report sj February 18, 2010 1:36 PM GMT
well that was put alot better than me waffling on.lol
Report sj February 18, 2010 4:12 PM GMT
Why wont anyone talk us through the notion that Anderson Silva is "not bad at boxing" and his Ali shuffle
Report sj February 18, 2010 4:16 PM GMT
Templeton Peck 18 Feb 10:25


This Saturday/Sunday could result in another shift of popularity.

If you were to construct a perfect rivalry in a combat sport in the US then I think it would look something like this:

Fighter A: An all-American kind of guy. White skinned, a hunter, from the north, a background in a similar industry which relied on PPV sales, physically intimidating, a controversial guy who divides people, a great communicator, an excellent wrestling background and is willing and able to fight both on the ground and standing up.

Fighter B: The opposite. From a southern state, darker skinned with a central American (preferably Mexican) background, proud of his roots, can speak fluent English and Spanish, young, unbeaten, not controversial, an excellent wrestling background and is willing and able to fight both on the ground and standing up.

A is obviously Brock Lesnar. B is Cain Velasquez who is fighting Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira in Sydney at UFC 110 on Saturday night. If Cain wins then he'll become a serious rival to Brock and the UFC will rubbing its hands together.

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist but if I was then I'd think the UFC will do whatever they can to ensure Cain wins. This rivalry could become huge.

Wait till BLACK AMERICA gets stuck into the PPV's on May 1st
Report EastLower Gooner February 19, 2010 12:30 AM GMT
great....just when I was about to have a big bet on Nogueira u come up with the conspiracy theory.
Report Templeton Peck February 19, 2010 7:54 AM GMT
[b]Ericali 18 Feb 14:34
How would you get a sensible discussion out of me on whether the UFC having a Hispanic heavyweight title challenger would cause a shift in the fighting interests of the US's Hispanic population when I plainly dont give 2 hoots about the
Report Ericali February 19, 2010 12:14 PM GMT
Templeton Peck:-

This thread had been going on for over half a year so I'm assuming it's of interest to many people. I didn't post on it until September.

Nobody had posted on the subject for days until you brought it back to the top... its merely a case of curiosity & to see what the nutjobs have said now.

I posted on here because it was relevant to this thread. If I'd started a new thread then someone would have complained that there was already a thread about this topic! I just can't win!

Its not relevant to the thread... the thread title is UFC is better than boxing you started a debate on whether a hispanic champion in royal rumble would take away fans from boxing.... if the thread title was headed that i can assure you i wouldn't have bothered to open the thread.

I do like boxing and MMA. I've been following boxing for over 20 years but I wouldn't call myself a hardcore fan. I watch or record all the bouts on Sky but wouldn't trawl the net looking for fights to watch.

Thats great... feel free to post any boxing thoughs you please & i will gladly discuss them with you if i have an opinion on the matter (isn't this how the forum works?) but please don't bring up MMA or whatever is called.... & if you must... can you start a new thread so i won't be tempted to open it? much appreciated.

Oh, and UFC 110 has no title bouts yet still sells out in an instant.

I don't want to get into a debate about this bcoz in bores the pants of me... i have no interest in your "sport"
Report Templeton Peck February 19, 2010 2:07 PM GMT
Nutjobs? Royal Rumble? Odd.

Maybe you should take the following advice someone posted earlier in this thread:

Ericali 12 Aug 07:47
UFC is c rap!

But not everyone is going to agree, so those who don't like it can just refuse to post on the threads that are started - Simple.
Report Ericali February 19, 2010 2:49 PM GMT
^^^
Very wise man... ;-) I shall take this advise on board...
Report rink rat February 20, 2010 5:49 AM GMT
Should be more of a crossover, a true warrior can do both.
Report sj February 16, 2018 2:34 PM GMT
ten years nearly up lads, its such a shame boxing died all those years ago.  You were right UFC now rules the world and it only took nine years.
Boxing only on three channels over here this weekend Boxnation (which many said would be dead within six months,has two live shows)  PPV ITV box office , Dave with a Haye promotions card tonight. 

RIP  boxing.
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