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salmon spray
23 Aug 17 12:37
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For decades,without really thinking about it,I fell for the old myth that all thoroughbreds are descended from just 3 Arabian stallions imported into GB in the early 18th century. This is true only if you are talking purely about SIRELINES ( although the signs are that will soon only be one ). A few years ago I discovered Thoroughbred Pedigree Query and found that any thoroughbred will be descended through a female line from at least one other Arab stallion. Has anybody ever counted up how many of these there are ?
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Report kincsem August 23, 2017 1:04 PM BST
name    dob

LORD CARLISLE'S TURK   
LORD LONSDALE'S ARABIAN +   
MOROCCO BARB +    168?
ROCKWOOD    168?
BYERLEY TURK +    1684
LISTER TURK +    1687
OGLETHORPE ARABIAN +    1689
BURDETT'S ARABIAN    169?
BURTON BARB +    169?
CURWEN BAY BARB    169?
CURWEN'S OLD SPOT    169?
DARCY'S ARABIAN +    169?
DARCY'S WHITE TURK    169?
DARCY'S YELLOW TURK    169?
HALE'S TURK +    169?
LOWTHER BARB +    169?
MASSEY'S BLACK BARB    169?
OLD MONTAGUE    169?
PULLEINE ARABIAN    169?
WHARTON'S COMMONER    169?
WHITESHIRT    169?
YOUNG SPANKER    169?
FENWICK BARB +    1690
LEEDES ARABIAN +    1690
OLD CARELESS +    1692
WOOD'S COUNSELLOR +    1694
SELABY TURK +    1695
CURWEN BAY BARB +    1697
PAGET TURK +    1697
AKASTER TURK+    170?
BROWNLOW TURK +    170?
BUSTLER    170?
CHAMPION    170?
CHILLABY +    170?
GOVERNOR    170?
HARPHAM ARABIAN    170?
HONEYWOOD'S ARABIAN +    170?
HUTTON'S GREY BARB    170?
LITTON ARABIAN    170?
MULSO BAY    170?
NEWCASTLE TURK +    170?
PLACE'S WHITE TURK    170?
SON OF HAUTBOY    170?
ST VICTOR BARB +    170?
WILLIAM'S ARABIAN    170?
ANCASTER MERLIN +    1700
DARLEY ARABIAN +    1700
ALCOCK ARABIAN +    1704
BETHELL'S CASTAWAY +    171?
CONYER'S ARABIAN    171?
CROFT'S EGYPTIAN    171?
CYPRUS ARABIAN    171?
HAMPTON COURT CHESTNUT +    171?
HOLDERNESS TURK    171?
MONTAGU +    171?
OLD MONTAGU    171?
OLD SNAIL    171?
OYSTERFOOT ARABIAN    171?
PIGOT TURK    171?
RATTLE    171?
SUTTON TURK +    171?
WALPOLE BARB    171?
BETHEL'S ARABIAN +    1711
BALL [ANCASTER]    1712
OLD ROYAL    1712
BLOODY SHOULDERED ARABIAN    1713
WYNN ARABIAN +    1717
CROFT'S PARTNER    1718
SLOVEN    1718
COLE'S FOXHUNTER +    172?
HALL'S ARABIAN +    172?
LONSDALE BAY ARABIAN +    172?
NEWTON BAY ARABIAN +    172?
ORFORD TURK    172?
PORTLAND ARABIAN    172?
SOMERSET ARABIAN    172?
STANYAN'S ARABIAN +    172?
WOODSTOCK ARABIAN    172?
HUTTON'S BAY TURK +    1720
HALIFAX'S SAMPSON    1721
HALIFAX'S GOLIAH    1722
HUTTON'S BAY BARB +    1723
GODOLPHIN ARABIAN +    1724
BLOODY BUTTOCKS +    1725
JUSTICE    1725
MONKEY    1725
PORTMORE'S VICTORIOUS    1725
QUIET CUDDY    1727
CONQUEROR    1728
DRIVER    173?
GRASSHOPPER (ANCASTER)    173?
OLD TEAZER    173?
SEDLEY'S ARABIAN +    173?
STAMFORD TURK    173?
YOUNG BELGRADE    173?
CUB    1739
BELSIZE ARABIAN    174?
OLD STARLING    174?
PENGREE'S BADGER    174?
TOM JONES    174?
WILSON'S ARABIAN    174?
WOLSELEY BARB    174?
CULLEN ARABIAN +    1740
LEEDES CHUB    1746
HAMILTON'S FIGURE +    1747
SHEPHERD'S CRAB    1747
MATCHLESS    1748
Report kincsem August 23, 2017 1:07 PM BST
The trouble with the old days was a horse could have several names.
It could be Lord Nelson's Firecracker, then Jones's Firecracker, then Sir Thornton's Fire Cracker, then Mr Watson's Kingfisher.
The above are a list of horses without sires.  I assume the sire was untraceable e.g. imported.
Report kincsem August 23, 2017 1:09 PM BST
The + at the end of a name is my surrender sign.  I couldn't trace back beyond that.
e.g.HUTTON'S BAY TURK +
Report salmon spray August 23, 2017 1:44 PM BST
Bloody hell kincsem. That's impressive.
Thanks.
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