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Report Atomic Fish August 4, 2010 12:07 PM BST
I have just started playing these arcade games in betfair.  I have now lost about 10k over the last 3 months.  Every time I load a fresh £1000 to play in real mode it just goes very quickly with hardly getting any bonuses etc...

Yet, when I play demo mode I regularly get up to 30k plus? Winning something on nearly every spin?

Are the percentage payouts the same?

Im gutted I have got involved with these silly games now...
Report pumphol. April 1, 2014 12:39 PM BST
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Report marychain1 April 23, 2014 8:30 AM BST
Liege Bastogne Liege 2014 Preview



Coming hot on the heels of last weekend’s Amstel Gold Race, and Wednesday’s Fleche Wallone, we have Liege-Bastongne-Liege this Sunday. Known as the “Old Lady of Classics” or “La Doyenne”, this year’s version is the 100th version of the race. King Philippe of Belgium (the actual King, not Gilbert) will see the riders off, and the route has been designed to take in some of the classic climbs of the race’s history.

La Doyenne Des Classiques


These Ardennes Classics are where the punchers and climbers come to the fore, and several of these will look to join the list of famous names that have won the race, including Gilbert, Vinoukourov (twice), Valverde (twice) and Andy Schleck in recent years. The race has as much climbing as many Alpine Stages of the Tour de France, and with it's daunting climbs and terrifying descents, Liege-Bastogne-Liege is a fearsome test.

Almost all the climbs vary in gradient from section to section, making a balance between power and stamina a must, and gear choice crucial. There are two climbs towards the closing kilometres. The penultimate climb is with about 5k to go is 1.2k at 8.6%. The finish at Ans is at the top of a climb, the last 1.5k averages 5.3% but in reality the last half kilometre are just false flat, and the section before that is steeper.

Last year Dan Martin won, beating off Purito Rodriguez after following his attack then attacking past him once it flattened out towards the line. Watch the final few kilometres of Dan Martin's 2013 win here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4O5bb2XDdc

Past winners
2013   
MARTIN Daniel

RODRIGUEZ Joaquim
VALVERDE Alejandro

2012
IGLINSKIY Maxim

NIBALI Vincenzo
GASPAROTTO Enrico

2011   
GILBERT Philippe

SCHLECK Fränk
SCHLECK Andy

Gilbert wins in 2011

2010   
VINOKOUROV Alexandre

KOLOBNEV Alexandr
VALVERDE Alejandro
GILBERT Philippe

2009   
SCHLECK Andy

RODRIGUEZ Joaquim
REBELLIN Davide

2008   
VALVERDE Alejandro

REBELLIN Davide
SCHLECK Fränk

2007   
DI LUCA Danilo

VALVERDE Alejandro
SCHLECK Fränk

2006   
VALVERDE Alejandro

BETTINI Paolo
CUNEGO Damiano

2005   
VINOKOUROV Alexandre

VOIGT Jens
BOOGERD Michael

2004   
REBELLIN Davide

BOOGERD Michael
VINOKOUROV Alexandre

2013 Liege Bastogne Liege Placings
1    MARTIN Daniel
Garmin Sharp
6:38:07
2    RODRIGUEZ Joaquim
Team Katusha
0:03
3    VALVERDE Alejandro
Movistar Team
0:09
4    BETANCUR Carlos
AG2R La Mondiale
,,
5    SCARPONI Michele
Lampre-Merida
,,
6    GASPAROTTO Enrico
Astana Pro Team
0:18
7    GILBERT Philippe
BMC Racing Team
,,
8    HESJEDAL Ryder
Garmin Sharp
,,
9    COSTA Rui
Movistar Team
,,
10    GERRANS Simon
Orica GreenEDGE
    ,,
11    VAUGRENARD Benoit
Equipe Cycliste FDJ
    ,,
12    ANTON Igor
Euskaltel - Euskadi
,,
13    BARDET Romain
AG2R La Mondiale
,,
14    NOCENTINI Rinaldo
AG2R La Mondiale
,,
15    NORDHAUG Lars Petter
Blanco Pro Cycling Team
,,
16    HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis
Sky Procycling
,,

Liege Bastogne Liege 2014: The Climbs
•    Km 70.0 - Côte de La Roche-en-Ardenne2.8 kilometre-long climb at 6.2%
•    Km 123.0 - Côte de Saint-Roch1 kilometre-long climb at 11.1%
•    Km 167.0 - Côte de Wanne2.8 kilometre-long climb at 7.2%
•    Km 173.5 - Côte de Stockeu1 kilometre-long climb at 12.4%
•    Km 179.0 - Côte de la Haute-Levée3.6 kilometre-long climb at 5.6%
•    Km 201.0 - Côte de la Vecquée3.1 kilometre-long climb at 6.4%
•    Km 218.5 - Côte de La Redoute2 kilometre-long climb at 8.9%
•    Km 231.5 - Côte des Forges1.9 kilometre-long climb at 5.9%
•    Km 243.5 - Côte de La Roche-aux-Faucons1.5 kilometre-long climb at 9.3%
•    Km 257.5 - Côte de Saint-Nicolas1.2 kilometre-long climb at 8.6%

2014 Liege Bastogne Liege Best Prices here: http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/liege-bastogne-liege/winner

The Contenders:
Report marychain1 April 23, 2014 8:32 AM BST
Liege Bastogne Liege 2014 Preview



Coming hot on the heels of last weekend’s Amstel Gold Race, and Wednesday’s Fleche Wallone, we have Liege-Bastongne-Liege this Sunday. Known as the “Old Lady of Classics” or “La Doyenne”, this year’s version is the 100th version of the race. King Philippe of Belgium (the actual King, not Gilbert) will see the riders off, and the route has been designed to take in some of the classic climbs of the race’s history.

La Doyenne Des Classiques

These Ardennes Classics are where the punchers and climbers come to the fore, and several of these will look to join the list of famous names that have won the race, including Gilbert, Vinoukourov (twice), Valverde (twice) and Andy Schleck in recent years. The race has as much climbing as many Alpine Stages of the Tour de France, and with its daunting climbs and terrifying descents, Liege-Bastogne-Liege is a fearsome test.

Almost all the climbs vary in gradient from section to section, making a balance between power and stamina a must, and gear choice crucial. There are two climbs towards the closing kilometres. The penultimate climb is with about 5k to go is 1.2k at 8.6%. The finish at Ans is at the top of a climb, the last 1.5k averages 5.3% but in reality the last half kilometre are just false flat, and the section before that is steeper.

Last year Dan Martin won, beating off Purito Rodriguez after following his attack then attacking past him once it flattened out towards the line. Watch the final few kilometres of Dan Martin's 2013 win here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4O5bb2XDdc

Past winners
2013   
MARTIN Daniel

RODRIGUEZ Joaquim
VALVERDE Alejandro

2012
IGLINSKIY Maxim

NIBALI Vincenzo
GASPAROTTO Enrico

2011   
GILBERT Philippe

SCHLECK Fränk
SCHLECK Andy


2010   
VINOKOUROV Alexandre

KOLOBNEV Alexandr
VALVERDE Alejandro
GILBERT Philippe

2009   
SCHLECK Andy

RODRIGUEZ Joaquim
REBELLIN Davide

2008   
VALVERDE Alejandro

REBELLIN Davide
SCHLECK Fränk

2007   
DI LUCA Danilo

VALVERDE Alejandro
SCHLECK Fränk

2006   
VALVERDE Alejandro

BETTINI Paolo
CUNEGO Damiano

2005   
VINOKOUROV Alexandre

VOIGT Jens
BOOGERD Michael

2004   
REBELLIN Davide

BOOGERD Michael
VINOKOUROV Alexandre

2013 Liege Bastogne Liege Placings
1    MARTIN Daniel
Garmin Sharp
6:38:07
2    RODRIGUEZ Joaquim
Team Katusha
0:03
3    VALVERDE Alejandro
Movistar Team
0:09
4    BETANCUR Carlos
AG2R La Mondiale
,,
5    SCARPONI Michele
Lampre-Merida
,,
6    GASPAROTTO Enrico
Astana Pro Team
0:18
7    GILBERT Philippe
BMC Racing Team
,,
8    HESJEDAL Ryder
Garmin Sharp
,,
9    COSTA Rui
Movistar Team
,,
10    GERRANS Simon
Orica GreenEDGE
    ,,
11    VAUGRENARD Benoit
Equipe Cycliste FDJ
    ,,
12    ANTON Igor
Euskaltel - Euskadi
,,
13    BARDET Romain
AG2R La Mondiale
,,
14    NOCENTINI Rinaldo
AG2R La Mondiale
,,
15    NORDHAUG Lars Petter
Blanco Pro Cycling Team
,,
16    HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis
Sky Procycling
,,

Liege Bastogne Liege 2014: The Climbs
•    Km 70.0 - Côte de La Roche-en-Ardenne2.8 kilometre-long climb at 6.2%
•    Km 123.0 - Côte de Saint-Roch1 kilometre-long climb at 11.1%
•    Km 167.0 - Côte de Wanne2.8 kilometre-long climb at 7.2%
•    Km 173.5 - Côte de Stockeu1 kilometre-long climb at 12.4%
•    Km 179.0 - Côte de la Haute-Levée3.6 kilometre-long climb at 5.6%
•    Km 201.0 - Côte de la Vecquée3.1 kilometre-long climb at 6.4%
•    Km 218.5 - Côte de La Redoute2 kilometre-long climb at 8.9%
•    Km 231.5 - Côte des Forges1.9 kilometre-long climb at 5.9%
•    Km 243.5 - Côte de La Roche-aux-Faucons1.5 kilometre-long climb at 9.3%
•    Km 257.5 - Côte de Saint-Nicolas1.2 kilometre-long climb at 8.6%

2014 Liege Bastogne Liege Best Prices here: http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/liege-bastogne-liege/winner

Gilbert wins in 2011


The Contenders:
Report marychain1 April 23, 2014 8:34 AM BST
Liege Bastogne Liege 2014 Preview



Coming hot on the heels of last weekend’s Amstel Gold Race, and Wednesday’s Fleche Wallone, we have Liege-Bastongne-Liege this Sunday. Known as the “Old Lady of Classics” or “La Doyenne”, this year’s version is the 100th version of the race. King Philippe of Belgium (the actual King, not Gilbert) will see the riders off, and the route has been designed to take in some of the classic climbs of the race’s history.

La Doyenne Des Classiques

These Ardennes Classics are where the punchers and climbers come to the fore, and several of these will look to join the list of famous names that have won the race, including Gilbert, Vinoukourov (twice), Valverde (twice) and Andy Schleck in recent years. The race has as much climbing as many Alpine Stages of the Tour de France, and with its daunting climbs and terrifying descents, Liege-Bastogne-Liege is a fearsome test.

Almost all the climbs vary in gradient from section to section, making a balance between power and stamina a must, and gear choice crucial. There are two climbs towards the closing kilometres. The penultimate climb is with about 5k to go is 1.2k at 8.6%. The finish at Ans is at the top of a climb, the last 1.5k averages 5.3% but in reality the last half kilometre are just false flat, and the section before that is steeper.

Last year Dan Martin won, beating off Purito Rodriguez after following his attack then attacking past him once it flattened out towards the line. Watch the final few kilometres of Dan Martin's 2013 win here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4O5bb2XDdc

Past winners
2013   
MARTIN Daniel

RODRIGUEZ Joaquim
VALVERDE Alejandro

2012
IGLINSKIY Maxim

NIBALI Vincenzo
GASPAROTTO Enrico

2011   
GILBERT Philippe

SCHLECK Fränk
SCHLECK Andy
Gilbert wins in 2011

2010   
VINOKOUROV Alexandre

KOLOBNEV Alexandr
VALVERDE Alejandro
GILBERT Philippe

2009   
SCHLECK Andy

RODRIGUEZ Joaquim
REBELLIN Davide

2008   
VALVERDE Alejandro

REBELLIN Davide
SCHLECK Fränk

2007   
DI LUCA Danilo

VALVERDE Alejandro
SCHLECK Fränk

2006   
VALVERDE Alejandro

BETTINI Paolo
CUNEGO Damiano

2005   
VINOKOUROV Alexandre

VOIGT Jens
BOOGERD Michael

2004   
REBELLIN Davide

BOOGERD Michael
VINOKOUROV Alexandre

2013 Liege Bastogne Liege Placings
1    MARTIN Daniel
Garmin Sharp
6:38:07
2    RODRIGUEZ Joaquim
Team Katusha
0:03
3    VALVERDE Alejandro
Movistar Team
0:09
4    BETANCUR Carlos
AG2R La Mondiale
,,
5    SCARPONI Michele
Lampre-Merida
,,
6    GASPAROTTO Enrico
Astana Pro Team
0:18
7    GILBERT Philippe
BMC Racing Team
,,
8    HESJEDAL Ryder
Garmin Sharp
,,
9    COSTA Rui
Movistar Team
,,
10    GERRANS Simon
Orica GreenEDGE
    ,,
11    VAUGRENARD Benoit
Equipe Cycliste FDJ
    ,,
12    ANTON Igor
Euskaltel - Euskadi
,,
13    BARDET Romain
AG2R La Mondiale
,,
14    NOCENTINI Rinaldo
AG2R La Mondiale
,,
15    NORDHAUG Lars Petter
Blanco Pro Cycling Team
,,
16    HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis
Sky Procycling
,,

Liege Bastogne Liege 2014: The Climbs
•    Km 70.0 - Côte de La Roche-en-Ardenne2.8 kilometre-long climb at 6.2%
•    Km 123.0 - Côte de Saint-Roch1 kilometre-long climb at 11.1%
•    Km 167.0 - Côte de Wanne2.8 kilometre-long climb at 7.2%
•    Km 173.5 - Côte de Stockeu1 kilometre-long climb at 12.4%
•    Km 179.0 - Côte de la Haute-Levée3.6 kilometre-long climb at 5.6%
•    Km 201.0 - Côte de la Vecquée3.1 kilometre-long climb at 6.4%
•    Km 218.5 - Côte de La Redoute2 kilometre-long climb at 8.9%
•    Km 231.5 - Côte des Forges1.9 kilometre-long climb at 5.9%
•    Km 243.5 - Côte de La Roche-aux-Faucons1.5 kilometre-long climb at 9.3%
•    Km 257.5 - Côte de Saint-Nicolas1.2 kilometre-long climb at 8.6%

2014 Liege Bastogne Liege Best Prices here: http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/liege-bastogne-liege/winner




The Contenders:
Report marychain1 April 23, 2014 8:36 AM BST
Liege Bastogne Liege 2014 Preview



Coming hot on the heels of last weekend’s Amstel Gold Race, and Wednesday’s Fleche Wallone, we have Liege-Bastongne-Liege this Sunday. Known as the “Old Lady of Classics” or “La Doyenne”, this year’s version is the 100th version of the race. King Philippe of Belgium (the actual King, not Gilbert) will see the riders off, and the route has been designed to take in some of the classic climbs of the race’s history.

La Doyenne Des Classiques

These Ardennes Classics are where the punchers and climbers come to the fore, and several of these will look to join the list of famous names that have won the race, including Gilbert, Vinoukourov (twice), Valverde (twice) and Andy Schleck in recent years. The race has as much climbing as many Alpine Stages of the Tour de France, and with its daunting climbs and terrifying descents, Liege-Bastogne-Liege is a fearsome test.

Almost all the climbs vary in gradient from section to section, making a balance between power and stamina a must, and gear choice crucial. There are two climbs towards the closing kilometres. The penultimate climb is with about 5k to go is 1.2k at 8.6%. The finish at Ans is at the top of a climb, the last 1.5k averages 5.3% but in reality the last half kilometre are just false flat, and the section before that is steeper.

Martin wins LBL last year

Last year Dan Martin won, beating off Purito Rodriguez after following his attack then attacking past him once it flattened out towards the line. Watch the final few kilometres of Dan Martin's 2013 win here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4O5bb2XDdc

Past winners
2013   
MARTIN Daniel

RODRIGUEZ Joaquim
VALVERDE Alejandro

2012
IGLINSKIY Maxim

NIBALI Vincenzo
GASPAROTTO Enrico

2011   
GILBERT Philippe

SCHLECK Fränk
SCHLECK Andy
Gilbert wins in 2011

2010   
VINOKOUROV Alexandre

KOLOBNEV Alexandr
VALVERDE Alejandro
GILBERT Philippe

2009   
SCHLECK Andy

RODRIGUEZ Joaquim
REBELLIN Davide

2008   
VALVERDE Alejandro

REBELLIN Davide
SCHLECK Fränk

2007   
DI LUCA Danilo

VALVERDE Alejandro
SCHLECK Fränk

2006   
VALVERDE Alejandro

BETTINI Paolo
CUNEGO Damiano

2005   
VINOKOUROV Alexandre

VOIGT Jens
BOOGERD Michael

2004   
REBELLIN Davide

BOOGERD Michael
VINOKOUROV Alexandre

2013 Liege Bastogne Liege Placings
1    MARTIN Daniel
Garmin Sharp
6:38:07
2    RODRIGUEZ Joaquim
Team Katusha
0:03
3    VALVERDE Alejandro
Movistar Team
0:09
4    BETANCUR Carlos
AG2R La Mondiale
,,
5    SCARPONI Michele
Lampre-Merida
,,
6    GASPAROTTO Enrico
Astana Pro Team
0:18
7    GILBERT Philippe
BMC Racing Team
,,
8    HESJEDAL Ryder
Garmin Sharp
,,
9    COSTA Rui
Movistar Team
,,
10    GERRANS Simon
Orica GreenEDGE
    ,,
11    VAUGRENARD Benoit
Equipe Cycliste FDJ
    ,,
12    ANTON Igor
Euskaltel - Euskadi
,,
13    BARDET Romain
AG2R La Mondiale
,,
14    NOCENTINI Rinaldo
AG2R La Mondiale
,,
15    NORDHAUG Lars Petter
Blanco Pro Cycling Team
,,
16    HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis
Sky Procycling
,,

Liege Bastogne Liege 2014: The Climbs
•    Km 70.0 - Côte de La Roche-en-Ardenne2.8 kilometre-long climb at 6.2%
•    Km 123.0 - Côte de Saint-Roch1 kilometre-long climb at 11.1%
•    Km 167.0 - Côte de Wanne2.8 kilometre-long climb at 7.2%
•    Km 173.5 - Côte de Stockeu1 kilometre-long climb at 12.4%
•    Km 179.0 - Côte de la Haute-Levée3.6 kilometre-long climb at 5.6%
•    Km 201.0 - Côte de la Vecquée3.1 kilometre-long climb at 6.4%
•    Km 218.5 - Côte de La Redoute2 kilometre-long climb at 8.9%
•    Km 231.5 - Côte des Forges1.9 kilometre-long climb at 5.9%
•    Km 243.5 - Côte de La Roche-aux-Faucons1.5 kilometre-long climb at 9.3%
•    Km 257.5 - Côte de Saint-Nicolas1.2 kilometre-long climb at 8.6%

2014 Liege Bastogne Liege Best Prices here: http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/liege-bastogne-liege/winner




The Contenders:
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