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04 Apr 18 16:17
Date Joined: 23 Jun 07
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Sometimes you have to take a punt that a trainer will change the planned schedule of a horse in a particular race. Vintage Clouds is one such horse that I think the connections must now seriously consider running in the National next week. Sue Smith has been quoted that he's made for the Scottish National but I'm not so sure. The National is likely to be run on soft going while the SN could be good. VC is likely to have 11st 4lbs plus in the SC and only 10st 3lbs in the N. The track and long run in will suit VC as he won on the Mildmay course in Oct when many of the fences were omitted. There will not be many horses in the race that stay as well as him, have a low weight, act on the ground and jump for fun.

50/1 e/w is worth the risk.
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Report equine flew April 4, 2018 5:23 PM BST
I assume you have not been reading all the other threads on here, where pretty much everyone has tipped this upWink
Report Hibore April 4, 2018 5:30 PM BST
Maybe I was the first :-) on your shortlist of 6 thread.

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    18 Mar 18 21:41   

I’m very keen on the following :-

Vintage Clouds 50/1
The last Samuri 20/1
Seeyouatmidnight 33/1
Bellshill 40/1

Only those so far
Report equine flew April 4, 2018 5:43 PM BST
Only two I have backed so far, Warriors Tale and Seeyouatmidnight.

Will only add one more but likely once ground sorted near the day
Report GoldCupWinner April 4, 2018 7:57 PM BST
I don't think vintage clouds does jump for fun though as he's a horse who loses ground at fences so having 30 to jump is not ideal. If he jumped for fun I would be backing it confidently.
Report Hibore April 4, 2018 8:33 PM BST
Not many horses jump poorly, get hampered twice and finish 4th in a Welsh National. He’s no Native River but he’s not that bad. He jumped great at Wetheby and Haydock.

A fair round of jumping and excessive stamina may be what you need next Saturday rather than super slick jumping.
Report shockster April 5, 2018 10:39 AM BST
I agree with GCW about his jumping.  There is no lack of stamina for sure and if he jumped well, I'd say he's well handicapped as his rating has been held back by his jumping IMO.  Welsh National another example of making mistakes but still finished well and got 4th.

Going back to the Aintree race he won in October. I was there, he didn't jump well and it really played to his stamina strengths that there were no fences in the home straight.  There areworse 50/1 shots though.
Report Bindaree April 5, 2018 10:46 AM BST
I suppose taking an optimistic view it has had 6 races in competitive fields since it last fell and completed all in a very respectable finish. In the National they will be going that little bit slower and oddly enough sometimes horses seem to jump the fences more fluently than park course fences. Plenty come down as well but there are a lot in the field who have F against their name lol.
Report The Dragon April 7, 2018 11:03 AM BST
yup my fivers on
Report the bloob April 7, 2018 11:14 AM BST
I think they were thinking Scottish National as they didn't think they would get in the GN, but that now looks a certainty so hopefully they go GN. I think the light weight and the way the horse stays is a massive plus, hard to believe 50/1 is available on a horse that is fancied by many
Report the bloob April 7, 2018 3:30 PM BST
there we have it, straight from the trainer's mouth, Vintage Clouds runs!!
Report shockster April 7, 2018 5:14 PM BST
As much as think the fences will catch him out, I've had to have a saver on him. 56/1 with Hills boost.
Report equine flew April 9, 2018 12:44 PM BST
Looks like not made the cut.
Report woodmanchester April 9, 2018 1:16 PM BST
Was going to say that. Would Vintage make the cut at number 52?
Report shockster April 9, 2018 1:16 PM BST
He's still in.  What number is he now?
Report Bindaree April 9, 2018 1:20 PM BST
Potentially may need 5 to drop out depending on ballot
Report shockster April 9, 2018 1:21 PM BST
He's 45 I think so unlikely 5 to go.  Vicente could wait for Ayr and is same owner and Delusionsofgrandeur is Sue Smiths so possible 2 could go if they wanted him to run.  Still would need another 3 though.
Report equine flew April 9, 2018 1:28 PM BST
Can't see more than 2 max coming out.   So very very unlikely to get run.  Cost owners near £2,000 to declare today, so likely all intended runners
Report Bindaree April 9, 2018 1:31 PM BST
Obviously depends on the ground but Minella Rocco was pulled out of Gold Cup because it was soft, Shantou and Gas Line Boy's trainers said they may go for Topham if too soft. Vicente in the same boat or does for the GN mean it's a different soft to other races  lol.
Report equine flew April 9, 2018 1:37 PM BST
Yes, suppose still  a lot can happen, also (as mentioned on another thread), Gigginstown have horses 41 and 42.   So may pull another of their out if they prefer one of those to run.  All will be revealed this week.
Report Bindaree April 9, 2018 1:40 PM BST
Changing tack slightly but can anyone tell me how the hell Maggio and Beeves get into the race before something like Vintage Clouds ? Two horses that have false ratings and they've been frightened to run them just to keep the false rating.
Report woodmanchester April 9, 2018 2:01 PM BST
You know Bindaree, not different soft but less demands on stamina over shorter trip

Reading earlier in thread, might pay to back Vintage Clouds for Scottish National
Report Bindaree April 9, 2018 2:12 PM BST
I know Woodman, but they use soft to explain a poor run or excuse to pull a horse out of a race. Point I'm making is that if a horse doesn't act on soft it doesn't really matter what distance it is because it still wont act on it.
Report Facts April 15, 2018 10:56 PM BST
Scottish it is then !!
Report wondersobright April 17, 2018 8:09 PM BST
yeah maggio has got 1 respectable run in its life (in terms of having a chance of being competitive in the grand national) and that was 2 years ago
ridiculous it even got in
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