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Meat Loaf
25 Mar 18 17:14
Date Joined: 22 May 09
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Doubtful runners (some more doubtful than others) - have I missed any or any glaring mistakes?

1.Valseur Lido (too much weight for Gigginstown)
2.Alpha Des obeaux (friendless on exchanges)
3.Cause of causes (injured?)
4.Tenor Nivernais (likely target 3m handicap?)
5.Go Conquer (Topham?)
6. Belshill (Irish Nash)
7.Rathvinden (friendless on exchanges)
8.Acapella Bourgeois (Irish Nash)
9.A Genie In Abottle (Irish Nash)
10.Pleasant Company (Irish Nash)
11.Gas Line Boy (Topham)
12.Virgilio (NR on saturday - injured?)
13.Childrens List (Irish Nash)
14.Houblon Des Obeaux (ran terribly today)
15.Bless The Wings (Irish Nash)
16.Thunder And Roses (Irish Nash)
17.Road To Riches (Irish Nash)
18.Walk In The Mill (friendless on exchanges)
19.Wounded Warrior (ran terribly today)
20.Vic De Touzaine (form PPP)
21.General Principle (Irish Nash)
22.Bonny Kate (Irish Nash)
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Report sixtwosix March 25, 2018 7:47 PM BST
22 doubtful out of lucky to get 40 at this rate.
Report Meat Loaf March 25, 2018 7:53 PM BST
Would love to see Minella Daddy get in. Will be a player on good ground. Bowen knows what he is doing round Aintree.

Plenty of 1000s available the other day.
Report dunlaying March 25, 2018 8:10 PM BST
Virgilio was a n/r due to the ground .
Report Meat Loaf March 26, 2018 6:31 PM BST
Virgilio not running in the 3m handicap on National day?
Report Meat Loaf March 26, 2018 6:31 PM BST
Delusionofgrandeur declared for Haydock on saturday
Report Meat Loaf March 26, 2018 6:36 PM BST
Vicente may go to Scottish national instead
Report Mully March 27, 2018 7:25 PM BST
They did indicate a few weeks ago that Vicente would go to Ayr as Meatloaf says.
Report Meat Loaf March 28, 2018 8:14 PM BST
So what do we think will be the cut off point? Several likely to go to the Irish national
Report dunlaying March 29, 2018 10:30 AM BST
I see 6 possibly 7 defectors which would make 48 a reserve . At the moment that is Road To Riches .
Report Fabulous March 29, 2018 1:33 PM BST
Vic De Touzaine out
Report Fabulous March 29, 2018 1:37 PM BST
...and Cause of Causes disappearing from firms lists, and at the bottom of the market on here.
Report Bindaree March 29, 2018 2:39 PM BST
A good few more will go as well if it comes up soft.
Report Meat Loaf March 29, 2018 4:30 PM BST
Shantou Flyer going for Topham?
Report sewter lives again March 29, 2018 5:19 PM BST
looking at the forecast Bindaree they wont need to water
Report Bindaree March 30, 2018 9:46 AM BST
That will certainly narrow it down. Have several bigger priced ones that might have good chances of getting placed but struggling to find something that I feel will have a good chance of winning. Nothing seems bomb proof. They seem either to have too much weight, are inconsistent, not sure they will stay and then of course the going. They may win but personally I don't think any of the first five or so in the betting are good value.
Report Meat Loaf March 30, 2018 11:04 AM BST
Vicente going for Scottish National instead of aintree
Report Meat Loaf April 1, 2018 4:56 PM BST
Revised list of almost certain non runners:
- Cause of Causes 99% out
- Vicente - Scottish Nash
- Belshill - Irish Nash
- Bless The Wings - Irish Nash
- Thunder and Roses - Irish Nash
- Vic De Touzaine - Non runner
- General Principle - Irish Nash

Likely non runners:
- Buywise
- Pendra
- Go Conquer
- Acapella Bourgeois
Report Bindaree April 2, 2018 9:55 AM BST
Do you know Buywise is unlikely to run or just a hunch ? I was thinking of it as a potential place horse. I know plenty will disagree and I wouldn't have thought of it myself a couple of years ago but I do have some reasoning behind the potential madness.
Report Meat Loaf April 2, 2018 5:58 PM BST
Buywise drifted alarmingly - might be something of nothing.
Report Bindaree April 2, 2018 8:13 PM BST
One of the primary reasons I was prepared to give it some thought was the fact that Leighton Aspell had seemed to revitalise it somewhat. Just read today that he is injured and out for 6 weeks, Aspell that is.
Report shockster April 3, 2018 7:39 PM BST
Mullins said he will not race Bellshill in the Grand National at Aintree a week on Saturday but will instead rely on Total Recall, Pleasant Company and Children’s List. He does not plan to run his other entrants, Rathvinden and Acapella Bourgeois.
Report dunlaying April 3, 2018 8:36 PM BST
Did he really? That is good news .
Report kelami April 3, 2018 10:34 PM BST
Bless The Wings runs. Jack Kennedy rides.
Report Bindaree April 4, 2018 9:20 AM BST
Win or lose (Bless The Wings) just shows how Phil Smith has destroyed the race. This horse hasn't finished within 14 lengths of winning over conventional courses in the past 2 years despite running off a low rating !! Favourtism ?
Report shockster April 4, 2018 9:55 AM BST
As De Mee is out after a setback.
Report Rydal April 4, 2018 10:19 AM BST
Nicholls is good at letting people know early and accurately....
Report Bindaree April 4, 2018 3:03 PM BST
Pity Gigginstown can't let people know which of their multitude of entries are going to run. Or are they going to run everything just to make sure there's not much competition for them to overcome. How can anyone seriously have an ante-post bet on the race anymore ?
Report sewter lives again April 4, 2018 3:41 PM BST
Bindaree I think that is exactly why Gigginstown have multiple entries
Report dunlaying April 4, 2018 3:43 PM BST
I think the first reserve could be 51 , at present that is Walk In The Mill .
Report contrary45 April 4, 2018 4:44 PM BST
does this mean Vintage Clouds will get a run?
Report dunlaying April 4, 2018 9:26 PM BST
52 Vintage Clouds . Quite likely to get in I believe . But that is nothing more than opinion .
Report Fabulous April 5, 2018 12:28 AM BST
Go Conquer available at 200's on here right now.
Report Rydal April 5, 2018 2:32 PM BST
The Last Samuri is drifting like a barge just now....
Report Hibore April 5, 2018 2:43 PM BST
Another horse bites the dust.
Report Rydal April 5, 2018 3:17 PM BST
You usually get an unfounded scare every year - Chris Cook has tweated that Kim Bailey says the horse is fine...
Report Mully April 5, 2018 3:25 PM BST
"At least two hours ago he was" said Kim
Report Rydal April 6, 2018 6:27 PM BST
A Genie In Abottle scratched
Report Rydal April 6, 2018 6:30 PM BST
Report Meat Loaf April 7, 2018 8:34 AM BST
Gold Present drifting badly
Report Meat Loaf April 7, 2018 8:34 AM BST
Shantou Flyer entered in the Bowl
Report Meat Loaf April 7, 2018 11:23 AM BST
Last Samuri drifting badly......again.
Report Rydal April 7, 2018 11:42 AM BST
Meat Loaf

I think that these drifts could be because the market is very quiet ahead of the Confirmations on Monday.

There has been very little activity on either TLS or GP. For example about £50 has been traded today on TLS at prices between 22 and 25 - nothing else.

The huge drift on Gold Present yesterday was also based on minimal activity.
Report equine flew April 9, 2018 10:25 AM BST
Looks like late deision on Vicente (from PN blog - 9th April)

All roads lead to Aintree this week. Unfortunately the ground there is already soft so our running plans will depend on how much more rain falls at the track over the next few days. We will confirm Vicente and Warriors Tale on Monday for the Grand National. Both schooled really well over some practice Aintree fences at David Pipe’s on Sunday along with Monsieur Gibraltar who runs in the Foxhunters’ for Rose Loxton. We will make a decision about Vicente’s participation ahead of declaration time on Thursday. If we consider conditions are too soft for him then we will keep him back for his hat-trick bid in the Scottish National at Ayr the following Saturday.
Report dunlaying April 9, 2018 1:53 PM BST
I think there are three still to fall out and that would leave Walk In The Mill as first reserve .
Report Bindaree April 9, 2018 1:56 PM BST
Dunlaying, I believe there would have to be a ballot between Vintage and Walk if one of them could run.
Report equine flew April 9, 2018 2:52 PM BST
Actually Binderee, I think the chief handicapper has the choice.
Report Bindaree April 9, 2018 7:00 PM BST
I read today that there is a ballot unless either horse has had it's rating raised or decreased since the weights came out. That's how it used to be so assuming that's correct unless someone knows it's been changed and what I read is incorrect.
Report Chaplins Club April 9, 2018 7:21 PM BST
A ballot takes place at Weatherby's.
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