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1) DEFINITLY RED (IRE) 9 11-10 165 Phil & Julie Martin, Brian Ellison
    2) BRISTOL DE MAI (FR) 7 11-09 164 Simon Munir & Isaac Souede, Nigel Twiston-Davies
    3) EDWULF 9 11-09 164 J P McManus, Joseph O'Brien IRE
    4) OUTLANDER (IRE) 10 11-08 163 Gigginstown House Stud, Gordon Elliott IRE
    5) MINELLA ROCCO (IRE) 8 11-07 162 J P McManus, Jonjo O'Neill
    6) BLAKLION 9 11-06 161 Simon Such & Gino Paletta, Nigel Twiston-Davies
    7) SUB LIEUTENANT (IRE) 9 11-05 160 Gigginstown House Stud, Henry de Bromhead IRE
    8) ANIBALE FLY (FR) 8 11-04 159 J P McManus, Tony Martin IRE
    9) THE LAST SAMURI (IRE) 10 11-04 159 Paul & Clare Rooney, Kim Bailey
    10) MALA BEACH (IRE) 10 11-03 158 Chris Jones, Gordon Elliott IRE
    11) VALSEUR LIDO (FR) 9 11-03 158 Gigginstown House Stud, Henry de Bromhead IRE
    12) AMERICAN (FR) 8 11-02 157 The Jago Family Partnership, Harry Fry
    13) TOTAL RECALL (IRE) 9 11-01 156 Slaneyville Syndicate, Willie Mullins IRE
    14) ALPHA DES OBEAUX (FR) 8 11-00 155 Gigginstown House Stud, Mouse Morris IRE
    15) GOLD PRESENT (IRE) 8 11-00 155 John & Barbara Cotton, Nicky Henderson
    16) NOBLE ENDEAVOR (IRE) 9 10-13 154 Chris Jones, Gordon Elliott IRE
    17) PERFECT CANDIDATE (IRE) 11 10-13 154 ISL Recruitment, Fergal O'Brien
    18) SIZING CODELCO (IRE) 9 10-13 154 Ann & Alan Potts Limited, Colin Tizzard
    19) CAUSE OF CAUSES (USA) 10 10-12 153 J P McManus, Gordon Elliott IRE
    20) SHANTOU FLYER (IRE) 8 10-12 153 Carl Hinchy, Richard Hobson
    21) CARLINGFORD LOUGH (IRE) 12 10-11 152 J P McManus, John Kiely IRE
    22) O O SEVEN (IRE) 8 10-11 152 Christopher Hanbury, Nicky Henderson
    23) TENOR NIVERNAIS (FR) 11 10-11 152 Boultbee Brooks Ltd, Venetia Williams
    24) GO CONQUER (IRE) 9 10-10 151 Paul & Clare Rooney, Jonjo O'Neill
    25) TRAFFIC FLUIDE (FR) 8 10-10 151 Galloping On The South Downs Partnership, Gary Moore
    26) VICENTE (FR) 9 10-10 151 Trevor Hemmings, Paul Nicholls
    27) ACAPELLA BOURGEOIS (FR) 8 10-09 150 Slaneyville Syndicate, Willie Mullins IRE
    28) RATHVINDEN (IRE) 10 10-09 150 Ronnie Bartlett, Willie Mullins IRE
    29) REGAL ENCORE (IRE) 10 10-09 150 J P McManus, Anthony Honeyball
    30) TIGER ROLL (IRE) 8 10-09 150 Gigginstown House Stud, Gordon Elliott IRE
    31) VIEUX LION ROUGE (FR) 9 10-09 150 Prof Caroline Tisdall & John Gent, David Pipe
    32) A GENIE IN ABOTTLE (IRE) 7 10-08 149 Gigginstown House Stud, Noel Meade IRE
    33) AS DE MEE (FR) 8 10-08 149 The Stewart Family & Judi Dench, Paul Nicholls
    34) CHASE THE SPUD 10 10-08 149 Christine Banks, Fergal O'Brien
    35) ROCK THE KASBAH (IRE) 8 10-08 149 Diana Whateley, Philip Hobbs
    36) SEEYOUATMIDNIGHT 10 10-08 149 Quona Thomson, Sandy Thomson
    37) WARRIORS TALE 9 10-08 149 Michelle & Dan Macdonald, Paul Nicholls
    38) BELLSHILL (IRE) 8 10-07 148 Andrea & Graham Wylie, Willie Mullins IRE
    39) FLYING ANGEL (IRE) 7 10-07 148 Rob Rexton, Nigel Twiston-Davies
    40) GAS LINE BOY (IRE) 12 10-07 148 The Three Graces, Ian Williams
    41) PLEASANT COMPANY (IRE) 10 10-07 148 Malcolm C Denmark, Willie Mullins IRE
    42) THE DUTCHMAN (IRE) 8 10-07 148 SprayClad UK, Colin Tizzard
    43) BEEVES (IRE) 11 10-06 147 Paul & Clare Rooney, Jennie Candlish
    44) SAINT ARE (FR) 12 10-06 147 David Fox, Tom George
    45) UCELLO CONTI (FR) 10 10-06 147 Simon Munir & Isaac Souede, Gordon Elliott IRE
    46) VYTA DU ROC (FR) 9 10-06 147 Simon Munir & Isaac Souede, Nicky Henderson
    47) CAROLE'S DESTRIER 10 10-05 146 Carole Skipworth, Neil Mulholland
    48) LONG HOUSE HALL (IRE) 10 10-05 146 Carl Hinchy, Dan Skelton
    49) POLIDAM (FR) 9 10-05 146 Simon Munir & Isaac Souede, Willie Mullins IRE
    50) RAZ DE MAREE (FR) 13 10-05 146 James Swan Gavin Cromwell IRE
    51) ABOLITIONIST (IRE) 10 10-04 145 Mark Albon, John Provan & Chris Stedman Dr Richard Newland
    52) BAIE DES ILES (FR) 7 10-04 145 Zorka Wentworth, Ross O'Sullivan IRE
    53) BUYWISE (IRE) 11 10-04 145 T Hywel Jones, Evan Williams
    54) CHILDRENS LIST (IRE) 8 10-04 145 Susannah Ricci, Willie Mullins IRE
    55) I JUST KNOW (IRE) 8 10-04 145 M B Scholey & the late R H Scholey, Sue Smith
    56) MAGGIO (FR) 13 10-04 145 Douglas Pryde/James Beaumont, Patrick Griffin IRE
    57) PENDRA (IRE) 10 10-04 145 J P McManus, Charlie Longsdon
    58) VIRGILIO (FR) 9 10-04 145 C J Edwards, D Futter, A H Rushworth, Dan Skelton
    59) CAPTAIN REDBEARD (IRE) 9 10-03 144 Stuart Coltherd, Stuart Coltherd
    60) HOUBLON DES OBEAUX (FR) 11 10-03 144 Mrs Julian Blackwell, Venetia Williams
    61) LORD WINDERMERE (IRE) 12 10-03 144 Dr Ronan Lambe, Jim Culloty IRE
    62) SILSOL (GER) 9 10-03 144 Michelle & Dan Macdonald, Paul Nicholls
    63) THIRD INTENTION (IRE) 11 10-03 144 Robert & Sarah Tizzard, Colin Tizzard
    64) THREE FACES WEST (IRE) 10 10-03 144 Paul & Clare Rooney, Philip Hobbs
    65) WILD WEST WIND (IRE) 9 10-03 144 Simon Clarke, Tom George
    66) BLESS THE WINGS (IRE) 13 10-02 143 Adrian Butler & S P O'Connor, Gordon Elliott IRE
    67) DOUBLE ROSS (IRE) 12 10-02 143 Options O Syndicate, Nigel Twiston-Davies
    68) FINAL NUDGE (IRE) 9 10-02 143 Corbett Stud, David Dennis
    69) MILANSBAR (IRE) 11 10-02 143 Robert Bothway, Neil King
    70) MORNING ASSEMBLY (IRE) 11 10-02 143 Clipper Logistics Group Ltd, Pat Fahy IRE
    71) DELUSIONOFGRANDEUR (IRE) 8 10-01 142 McGoldrick Racing 3, Sue Smith
    72) ROAD TO RICHES (IRE) 11 10-01 142 Gigginstown House Stud, Noel Meade IRE
    73) THUNDER AND ROSES (IRE) 10 10-01 142 Gigginstown House Stud, Mouse Morris IRE
    74) SAMETEGAL (FR) 9 10-00 141 John & Barbara Cotton, Paul Nicholls
    75) VINTAGE CLOUDS (IRE) 8 10-00 141 Trevor Hemmings, Sue Smith
    76) WALK IN THE MILL (FR) 8 10-00 141 Baroness Harding, Robert Walford
    77) GENERAL PRINCIPLE (IRE) 9 9-12 139 Gigginstown House Stud, Gordon Elliott IRE
    78) VIC DE TOUZAINE (FR) 9 9-12 139 Andrew Brooks & G Moore, Venetia Williams
    79) VIEUX MORVAN (FR) 9 9-12 139 M L Bloodstock, Joseph O'Brien IRE
    80) WOUNDED WARRIOR (IRE) 9 9-12 139 Gigginstown House Stud, Noel Meade IRE
    81) ARBRE DE VIE (FR) 8 9-11 138 Susannah Ricci, Willie Mullins IRE
    82) BALLYALTON (IRE) 11 9-11 138 John Westwood, Ian Williams
    83) BONNY KATE (IRE) 8 9-11 138 Patricia Hunt, Noel Meade IRE
    84) COGRY 9 9-11 138 Graham & Alison Jelley, Nigel Twiston-Davies
    85) MISSED APPROACH (IRE) 8 9-11 138 Alan & Andrew Turner, Warren Greatrex
    86) MYSTEREE (IRE) 10 9-11 138 Mrs Lynne Maclennan, Michael Scudamore
    87) SIR MANGAN (IRE) 10 9-11 138 Frank McAleavy, Dan Skelton
    88) SPLASH OF GINGE 10 9-11 138 John Neild, Nigel Twiston-Davies
    89) BRAQUEUR D'OR (FR) 7 9-10 137 Corsellis & Seyfried, Paul Nicholls
    90) MINELLA DADDY (IRE) 8 9-10 137 Roddy Owen & Paul Fullagar, Peter Bowen
    91) PAIROFBROWNEYES (IRE) 9 9-10 137 Fibbage Syndicate, Willie Mullins IRE
    92) RELENTLESS DREAMER (IRE) 9 9-10 137 Nigel Morris, Rebecca Curtis
    93) KNOCK HOUSE (IRE) 9 9-09 136 Tim Leslie, Donald McCain
    94) THE YOUNG MASTER 9 9-08 135 Mike Burbidge & The Old Masters, Neil Mulholland
    95) ALFIE SPINNER (IRE) 13 9-06 133 Alan Beard & Brian Beard, Kerry Lee
    96) HENRI PARRY MORGAN 10 9-06 133 Ednyfed & Elizabeth Morgan, Peter Bowen
    97) PHIL'S MAGIC (IRE) 8 9-06 133 Lyreen Syndicate, Tony Martin IRE
    98) BRAVISSIMO (FR) 7 9-05 132 Susannah Ricci, Willie Mullins IRE
    99) DANCING SHADOW (IRE) 9 9-05 132 The Dancing Shadows, Victor Dartnall
    100) ROGUE ANGEL (IRE) 10 9-05 132 Gigginstown House Stud, Mouse Morris IRE
    101) THEBARROWMAN (IRE) 8 9-04 131 D Keys, Adrian Keatley IRE
    102) OUT SAM 9 9-03 130 D Charlesworth, Gordon Elliott IRE
    103) KRACKATOA KING 10 9-00 127 JC Harrison Lee & T Howard Partnership, Kerry Lee
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Report Meat Loaf February 14, 2018 6:33 PM GMT
Vintage Clouds will he get in?
Report The Dragon February 14, 2018 6:57 PM GMT
got a low weight for sure 35 to go out b4 he gets in so anyones guess. i like cause of causes of that weight at 25/1 and Vieux lion roiuge at 50/1 acapeela beorgiose will also get a few quiod on it
Report The Dragon February 14, 2018 6:59 PM GMT
140 on here
Report ashleigh February 15, 2018 11:54 AM GMT
tom segal has put up today
total recall 14/1
gold present 25/1
Report The Dragon February 15, 2018 3:40 PM GMT
best lay them then
Report sewter lives again February 16, 2018 8:21 PM GMT
Well i was very keen on Milansbar in the Welsh National and very disappointed with the way he jumped in rear.

New jockey and different tactics saw a proper performance at Warwick winning the same race as Arthur did last year.

Dont know if Bryony will be available to ride in the National but if she is then must have a serious chance off a mark of 143 and 10-02.
a raise of 9 pounds is fair enough.

I really like the Milans over extreme distances on the soft

Just got to get in now
Report GoldCupWinner February 17, 2018 10:20 AM GMT
Caroles Destrier looks to have a lot of positives. The Sandown Gold cup win and the Hennessy second are stand out pieces of form regarding this race. It seems the Grand National was very much on the agenda for him last year but he missed it for whatever reason. Be interesting to see how he runs on Wednesday. I am a bit concerned that he is entered in a veterans race but 66/1 looks worth taking a chance on.
Report Bindaree February 17, 2018 10:49 AM GMT
Carole's Destrier form in the Hennessy is far and away the best form relative to its weight. I believe it was injured in the Welsh national. It wouldn't concern me running in a veterans race, it's only 10 and an ideal age. Probably going there as the going looks like it will be good and its a flat track. Obviously how it runs will show whether it still retains the ability it showed last season. It's more or less take a chance and bet now and if it runs well you have a great bet but if it bombs out you've already lost your money !!
Report Jb23 February 19, 2018 4:50 PM GMT
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSI-3VuKTmlnzqKmhkOB1RQ/videos
Report Jb23 February 19, 2018 4:51 PM GMT
Henderson, Patrick Mullins, Elliott and Jonjo talking about their national entries. Annoying that they are each 15 seconds but some interesting sound bites
Report GoldCupWinner February 21, 2018 10:03 PM GMT
Horse must be gone at the game. A shame really as did have a lot of form positives. I think I've done my money though.
Report Bindaree February 25, 2018 4:15 PM GMT
Have to agree. Made excuses re heavy ground etc in the past but there can't be any for the Doncaster run. Been a spectacular decline really as it didn't look as if it is capable of winning anything now. Makes you wonder why it gets entered in the GN as it must be no better on the gallops unless there is a dramatic turnaround, I wont be banking on it though.
Report GoldCupWinner February 25, 2018 7:54 PM GMT
My last straw to clutch is that they are still keeping handicap mark down for Cheltenham/aintree double. Something like the Kim Muir which sunnyhillboy nearly pulled off. It's the only hope to cling to.
Report GoldCupWinner February 26, 2018 11:39 AM GMT
I didn't know at the time of writing that he actually has been entered up at Cheltenham. That has given me a bit more hope than what I did previously had. Won't throw it away just yet.
Report Bindaree February 26, 2018 5:18 PM GMT
That was a nearly £19000 race at Donny and a lot less competitive than Cheltenham. Worryingly he was never travelling even in the first few furlongs. Wouldn't be surprised to see it scratched from the GN next forfeit stage but as you say that's what straws are for. to be clutched at. Waiting for the next one to bomb out now, Noble Endeavor lol
Report Chaplins Club February 28, 2018 11:09 AM GMT
Latest scratchings anyone? Only 90 left today they say.
Report Chaplins Club February 28, 2018 11:11 AM GMT
This is Mully- sort your stupid cookies out Betfair.
Report Chaplins Club February 28, 2018 11:14 AM GMT
Looks like I'm captured in time on my old profile Sad
Report Mully February 28, 2018 4:37 PM GMT
Finally got logged in...

THE FOLLOWING 14 ENTRIES HAVE BEEN SCRATCHED: BRISTOL DE MAI, NOBLE ENDEAVOR, VYTA DU ROC, POLIDAM, ABOLITIONIST, SILSOL, THREE FACES WEST, SAMETEGAL, VIEUX MORVAN, ARBRE DE VIE, BALLYALTON, MISSED APPROACH, BRAVISSIMO, & THEBARROWMAN from the Grand National.
Report TYSON 2 March 1, 2018 1:24 PM GMT
Welcome back Mully! plenty of time to sort this lot out!
Report Mully March 3, 2018 11:12 AM GMT
Seeyouatmidnight is bang up there on my shortlist.

Seeyouatmidnight was also an excellent three-length third in the 2016 Scottish Grand National at Ayr behind the Paul Nicholls-trained Vicente and was set to reappear at Kelso today.
Report The Dragon March 4, 2018 3:24 PM GMT
do we have an up to date list of enteries?
Report Rydal March 4, 2018 6:16 PM GMT
Runner    Age    Trainer    OR/Weight
Definitly Red    9        165
Edwulf    9        164
Outlander    10        163
Minella Rocco    8        162
Blaklion    9        161
Sub Lieutenant    9        160
Anibale Fly    8        159
The Last Samuri    10        159
Mala Beach    10        158
Valseur Lido    9        158
American    8        157
Total Recall    9        156
Alpha Des Obeaux    8        155
Gold Present    8        155
Perfect Candidate    11        154
Sizing Codelco    9        154
Cause Of Causes    10        153
Shantou Flyer    8        153
Carlingford Lough    12        152
O O Seven    8        152
Tenor Nivernais    11        152
Go Conquer    9        151
Traffic Fluide    9        151
Vicente    9        151
Acapella Bourgeois    8        150
Rathvinden    10        150
Regal Encore    10        150
Tiger Roll    8        150
Vieux Lion Rouge    9        150
A Genie In Abottle    7        149
As De Mee    8        149
Chase The Spud    10        149
Rock The Kasbah    8        149
Seeyouatmidnight    10        149
Warriors Tale    9        149
Bellshill    8        148
Flying Angel    7        148
Gas Line Boy    12        148
Pleasant Company    10        148
The Dutchman    8        148
Beeves    11        147
Saint Are    12        147
Ucello Conti    10        147
Caroles Destrier    10        146
Long House Hall    10        146
Raz De Maree    13        146
Baie Des Iles    8        145
Buywise    11        145
Childrens List    8        145
I Just Know    8        145
Maggio    13        145
Pendra    10        145
Virgilio    9        145
Captain Redbeard    9        144
Houblon Des Obeaux    11        144
Lord Windermere    12        144
Third Intention    11        144
Wild West Wind    9        144
Bless The Wings    13        143
Double Ross    12        143
Final Nudge    9        143
Milansbar    11        143
Morning Assembly    11        143
Delusionofgrandeur    8        142
Road To Riches    11        142
Thunder And Roses    10        142
Vintage Clouds    8        141
Walk in the Mill    8        141
General Principle    9        139
Vic De Touzaine    9        139
Wounded Warrior    9        139
Bonny Kate    8        138
Cogry    9        138
Mysteree    10        138
Sir Mangan    10        138
Splash Of Ginge    10        138
Braqueur Dor    7        137
Minella Daddy    8        137
Pairofbrowneyes    9        137
Relentless Dreamer    9        137
Knock House    9        136
The Young Master    9        135
Alfie Spinner    13        133
Henri Parry Morgan    10        133
Phil's Magic    8        133
Dancing Shadow    9        132
Rogue Angel    10        132
Out Sam    9        130
Krackatoa King    10        127
Goodtoknow    10        126
Report Rydal March 4, 2018 6:16 PM GMT
Runner    Age    Trainer    OR/Weight
Definitly Red    9        165
Edwulf    9        164
Outlander    10        163
Minella Rocco    8        162
Blaklion    9        161
Sub Lieutenant    9        160
Anibale Fly    8        159
The Last Samuri    10        159
Mala Beach    10        158
Valseur Lido    9        158
American    8        157
Total Recall    9        156
Alpha Des Obeaux    8        155
Gold Present    8        155
Perfect Candidate    11        154
Sizing Codelco    9        154
Cause Of Causes    10        153
Shantou Flyer    8        153
Carlingford Lough    12        152
O O Seven    8        152
Tenor Nivernais    11        152
Go Conquer    9        151
Traffic Fluide    9        151
Vicente    9        151
Acapella Bourgeois    8        150
Rathvinden    10        150
Regal Encore    10        150
Tiger Roll    8        150
Vieux Lion Rouge    9        150
A Genie In Abottle    7        149
As De Mee    8        149
Chase The Spud    10        149
Rock The Kasbah    8        149
Seeyouatmidnight    10        149
Warriors Tale    9        149
Bellshill    8        148
Flying Angel    7        148
Gas Line Boy    12        148
Pleasant Company    10        148
The Dutchman    8        148
Beeves    11        147
Saint Are    12        147
Ucello Conti    10        147
Caroles Destrier    10        146
Long House Hall    10        146
Raz De Maree    13        146
Baie Des Iles    8        145
Buywise    11        145
Childrens List    8        145
I Just Know    8        145
Maggio    13        145
Pendra    10        145
Virgilio    9        145
Captain Redbeard    9        144
Houblon Des Obeaux    11        144
Lord Windermere    12        144
Third Intention    11        144
Wild West Wind    9        144
Bless The Wings    13        143
Double Ross    12        143
Final Nudge    9        143
Milansbar    11        143
Morning Assembly    11        143
Delusionofgrandeur    8        142
Road To Riches    11        142
Thunder And Roses    10        142
Vintage Clouds    8        141
Walk in the Mill    8        141
General Principle    9        139
Vic De Touzaine    9        139
Wounded Warrior    9        139
Bonny Kate    8        138
Cogry    9        138
Mysteree    10        138
Sir Mangan    10        138
Splash Of Ginge    10        138
Braqueur Dor    7        137
Minella Daddy    8        137
Pairofbrowneyes    9        137
Relentless Dreamer    9        137
Knock House    9        136
The Young Master    9        135
Alfie Spinner    13        133
Henri Parry Morgan    10        133
Phil's Magic    8        133
Dancing Shadow    9        132
Rogue Angel    10        132
Out Sam    9        130
Krackatoa King    10        127
Goodtoknow    10        126
Report Rydal March 4, 2018 6:16 PM GMT
Runner    Age    Trainer    OR/Weight
Definitly Red    9        165
Edwulf    9        164
Outlander    10        163
Minella Rocco    8        162
Blaklion    9        161
Sub Lieutenant    9        160
Anibale Fly    8        159
The Last Samuri    10        159
Mala Beach    10        158
Valseur Lido    9        158
American    8        157
Total Recall    9        156
Alpha Des Obeaux    8        155
Gold Present    8        155
Perfect Candidate    11        154
Sizing Codelco    9        154
Cause Of Causes    10        153
Shantou Flyer    8        153
Carlingford Lough    12        152
O O Seven    8        152
Tenor Nivernais    11        152
Go Conquer    9        151
Traffic Fluide    9        151
Vicente    9        151
Acapella Bourgeois    8        150
Rathvinden    10        150
Regal Encore    10        150
Tiger Roll    8        150
Vieux Lion Rouge    9        150
A Genie In Abottle    7        149
As De Mee    8        149
Chase The Spud    10        149
Rock The Kasbah    8        149
Seeyouatmidnight    10        149
Warriors Tale    9        149
Bellshill    8        148
Flying Angel    7        148
Gas Line Boy    12        148
Pleasant Company    10        148
The Dutchman    8        148
Beeves    11        147
Saint Are    12        147
Ucello Conti    10        147
Caroles Destrier    10        146
Long House Hall    10        146
Raz De Maree    13        146
Baie Des Iles    8        145
Buywise    11        145
Childrens List    8        145
I Just Know    8        145
Maggio    13        145
Pendra    10        145
Virgilio    9        145
Captain Redbeard    9        144
Houblon Des Obeaux    11        144
Lord Windermere    12        144
Third Intention    11        144
Wild West Wind    9        144
Bless The Wings    13        143
Double Ross    12        143
Final Nudge    9        143
Milansbar    11        143
Morning Assembly    11        143
Delusionofgrandeur    8        142
Road To Riches    11        142
Thunder And Roses    10        142
Vintage Clouds    8        141
Walk in the Mill    8        141
General Principle    9        139
Vic De Touzaine    9        139
Wounded Warrior    9        139
Bonny Kate    8        138
Cogry    9        138
Mysteree    10        138
Sir Mangan    10        138
Splash Of Ginge    10        138
Braqueur Dor    7        137
Minella Daddy    8        137
Pairofbrowneyes    9        137
Relentless Dreamer    9        137
Knock House    9        136
The Young Master    9        135
Alfie Spinner    13        133
Henri Parry Morgan    10        133
Phil's Magic    8        133
Dancing Shadow    9        132
Rogue Angel    10        132
Out Sam    9        130
Krackatoa King    10        127
Goodtoknow    10        126
Report Rydal March 4, 2018 6:17 PM GMT
Apologies for the repetition and the lousy formatting!
Report The Dragon March 4, 2018 8:10 PM GMT
thanks rydal
Report The Dragon March 4, 2018 8:12 PM GMT
dutchman ios the 40th horse as it stands
Report Mully March 7, 2018 10:35 AM GMT
Correct- The Dutchman is the current 40th.
One or two pointers coming up on Sunday in the rearranged Premier Chase at Kelso.
Report Roselier March 7, 2018 12:53 PM GMT
The 10 chases trend is still working as a 10/10 stat
17/19 had run in 10 races over this season and last, which is currently a 9/9 stat (Silver Birch ran in 9 and the other to miss the trend was Comply Or Die). This is a great indicator of fitness.
The last three winners had never fallen or unseated in a chase
The 'at least 3 runs' during the current season is still a 20/20 stat
Won or placed over 26f + is 14/14
Report Roselier March 8, 2018 8:37 AM GMT
Having given those stats however I'm with Mully. If he shows his wellbeing this weekend and is 100% fit on the day of the GN, then Seeyouatmidnight is going to go close. I would also place quite a bit of faith in his jockey now that he has got that Grade 1 monkey off his back. I've always felt Hughes himself didn't feel like he belonged in the top echelons and sometimes rode like that in the big races but hopefully he will have more confidence in himself going forward. Can't do any worse that last year's race!
Report GoldCupWinner March 17, 2018 9:47 PM GMT
Will be keeping an eye on seeyouatmidnight tomorrow after the wind surgery. Done really well in Scottish National considering he took a keen hold early on. I have struggled this year to find one who may be well handicapped but also stays and think this could be one. Would like the ground to be soft ideally.

I don't think there any fluke about Anibale Fly either yesterday, yes he was flattered to finish as close to the front two as he did but there was no fluke about beating all the rest as he was fairly prominent the whole way through. Looks as though he'll stay on better ground, don't think he is overly well handicapped but not many are this year.
Report Meat Loaf March 18, 2018 9:10 AM GMT
They might struggle to get a prep run into Seeyouatmidnight now
Report dunlaying March 18, 2018 11:16 AM GMT
Morning Assembly is out .
Report sixtwosix March 18, 2018 2:12 PM GMT
Anibale Flyer will go up in the handicap so it will be now or never , stayed on strongly but did take a right fall in Ireland the time before.
Rathvinden won well but he too has jumping flaws.
I thought Tiger Roll would be favourite after his cross country run  , don't know which box he does not tick , well weighted , jumps , stays.
Report Bindaree March 18, 2018 11:34 PM GMT
You can't really compare X country races with conventional ones. In fact the horse that was 2nd at Cheltenham is no great shakes. I think why people are wary of Tiger Roll is because it was well beaten in last years Irish National and after the race at Cheltenham it was fairly distressed for a while.
Report Fabulous March 18, 2018 11:39 PM GMT
I was surprised at that as well 626. Been betting Tiger Roll, few quid every week since last April, and he's the only serious bet I have on the race. I do think he has jumping issues, but not major, and like yourself, ticks plenty of boxes. An extra week to recover from Cheltenham as well is in his favour, as should get the ground in his favour too.

Others I've got bits and pieces on

Cause of Causes
Seeyouatmidnight
Long House Hall
Go Conquer (Stamina?)
Beeves (Good enough)

I would love General Principle or Pairofbrowneyes to get in, but they need it to cut up badly, and will probably head Fairyhouse now.
Report Bindaree March 19, 2018 9:25 AM GMT
I had my eye on Beeves from a couple of years ago for the National as it's such a good jumper but sadly it just doesn't stay well enough.
Report Mully March 20, 2018 2:27 PM GMT
THE FOLLOWING 17 ENTRIES HAVE BEEN SCRATCHED: DEFINITLY RED (IRE), EDWULF, OUTLANDER (IRE), SUB LIEUTENANT (IRE), MALA BEACH (IRE), AMERICAN (FR), SIZING CODELCO (IRE), O O SEVEN (IRE), TRAFFIC FLUIDE (FR), ROCK THE KASBAH (IRE), FLYING ANGEL (IRE), LONG HOUSE HALL (IRE), CAROLE'S DESTRIER, THIRD INTENTION (IRE), WILD WEST WIND (IRE), MORNING ASSEMBLY (IRE), PAIROFBROWNEYES (IRE).
Report Mully March 20, 2018 2:29 PM GMT
So it now looks like this until the five-days decs on April 9th.

    Horse    Age    Wgt    Owner    Trainer
1)     MINELLA ROCCO (IRE)    8    11-10    J P McManus    Jonjo O'Neill 
2)     BLAKLION    9    11-09    Simon Such & Gino Paletta    Nigel Twiston-Davies 
3)     ANIBALE FLY (FR)    8    11-07    J P McManus    Tony Martin IRE
4)     THE LAST SAMURI (IRE)    10    11-07    Paul & Clare Rooney    Kim Bailey 
5)     VALSEUR LIDO (FR)    9    11-06    Gigginstown House Stud    Henry de Bromhead IRE
6)     TOTAL RECALL (IRE)    9    11-04    Slaneyville Syndicate    Willie Mullins IRE
7)     ALPHA DES OBEAUX (FR)    8    11-03    Gigginstown House Stud    Mouse Morris IRE
8)     GOLD PRESENT (IRE)    8    11-03    John & Barbara Cotton    Nicky Henderson 
9)     PERFECT CANDIDATE (IRE)    11    11-02    ISL Recruitment    Fergal O'Brien 
10)    CAUSE OF CAUSES (USA)    10    11-01    J P McManus    Gordon Elliott IRE
                        
11)    SHANTOU FLYER (IRE)    8    11-01    Carl Hinchy    Richard Hobson 
12)    TENOR NIVERNAIS (FR)    11    11-00    Boultbee Brooks Ltd    Venetia Williams 
13)    CARLINGFORD LOUGH (IRE)    12    11-00    J P McManus    John Kiely IRE
14)     VICENTE (FR)    9    10-13    Trevor Hemmings    Paul Nicholls 
15)    GO CONQUER (IRE)    9    10-13    Paul & Clare Rooney    Jonjo O'Neill 
16)    TIGER ROLL (IRE)    8    10-12    Gigginstown House Stud    Gordon Elliott IRE
17)    REGAL ENCORE (IRE)    10    10-12    J P McManus    Anthony Honeyball 
18)    VIEUX LION ROUGE (FR)    9    10-12    Prof Caroline Tisdall & John Gent    David Pipe 
19)    RATHVINDEN (IRE)    10    10-12    Ronnie Bartlett    Willie Mullins IRE
20)    ACAPELLA BOURGEOIS (FR)    8    10-12    Slaneyville Syndicate    Willie Mullins IRE
                        
21)    A GENIE IN ABOTTLE (IRE)    7    10-11    Gigginstown House Stud    Noel Meade IRE
22)    CHASE THE SPUD    10    10-11    Christine Banks    Fergal O'Brien 
23)    WARRIORS TALE    9    10-11    Trevor Hemmings    Paul Nicholls 
24)    SEEYOUATMIDNIGHT    10    10-11    Quona Thomson    Sandy Thomson 
25)    AS DE MEE (FR)    8    10-11    The Stewart Family & Judi Dench    Paul Nicholls 
26)    GAS LINE BOY (IRE)    12    10-10    The Three Graces    Ian Williams 
27)    THE DUTCHMAN (IRE)    8    10-10    SprayClad UK    Colin Tizzard 
28)    PLEASANT COMPANY (IRE)    10    10-10    Malcolm Denmark    Willie Mullins IRE
29)    BELLSHILL (IRE)    8    10-10    Andrea & Graham Wylie    Willie Mullins IRE
30)    UCELLO CONTI (FR)    10    10-09    Simon Munir/Isaac Souede    Gordon Elliott IRE
                        
31)    SAINT ARE (FR)    12    10-09    David Fox    Tom George 
32)    BEEVES (IRE)    11    10-09    Paul & Clare Rooney    Jennie Candlish 
33)    RAZ DE MAREE (FR)    13    10-08    James Swan    Gavin Cromwell IRE
34)    I JUST KNOW (IRE)    8    10-07    Michael Scholey & the late Ray Scholey    Sue Smith 
35)    VIRGILIO (FR)    9    10-07    C Edwards, D Futter, A Rushworth    Dan Skelton 
36)    BAIE DES ILES (FR)    7    10-07    Zorka Wentworth    Ross O'Sullivan IRE
37)    MAGGIO (FR)    13    10-07    Douglas Pryde/James Beaumont    Patrick Griffin IRE
38)    PENDRA (IRE)    10    10-07    J P McManus    Charlie Longsdon 
39)    BUYWISE (IRE)    11    10-07    T Hywel Jones    Evan Williams 
40)    CHILDRENS LIST (IRE)    8    10-07    Susannah Ricci    Willie Mullins IRE
                        
41)    HOUBLON DES OBEAUX (FR)    11    10-06    Mrs Julian Blackwell    Venetia Williams 
42)    LORD WINDERMERE (IRE)    12    10-06    Dr Ronan Lambe    Jim Culloty IRE
43)    CAPTAIN REDBEARD (IRE)    9    10-06    Stuart Coltherd    Stuart Coltherd 
44)    BLESS THE WINGS (IRE)    13    10-05    Adrian Butler/S P O'Connor    Gordon Elliott IRE
45)    MILANSBAR (IRE)    11    10-05    Robert Bothway    Neil King 
46)    FINAL NUDGE (IRE)    9    10-05    Corbett Stud    David Dennis 
47)    DOUBLE ROSS (IRE)    12    10-05    Options O Syndicate    Nigel Twiston-Davies 
48)    ROAD TO RICHES (IRE)    11    10-04    Gigginstown House Stud    Noel Meade IRE
49)    DELUSIONOFGRANDEUR (IRE)    8    10-04    McGoldrick Racing 3    Sue Smith 
50)    THUNDER AND ROSES (IRE)    10    10-04    Gigginstown House Stud    Mouse Morris IRE
                        
51)    WALK IN THE MILL (FR)    8    10-03    Baroness Harding    Robert Walford 
52)    VINTAGE CLOUDS (IRE)    8    10-03    Trevor Hemmings    Sue Smith 
53)    WOUNDED WARRIOR (IRE)    9    10-01    Gigginstown House Stud    Noel Meade IRE
54)    GENERAL PRINCIPLE (IRE)    9    10-01    Gigginstown House Stud    Gordon Elliott IRE
55)    VIC DE TOUZAINE (FR)    9    10-01    Andrew Brooks & G Moore    Venetia Williams 
56)    SPLASH OF GINGE    10    10-00    John Neild    Nigel Twiston-Davies 
57)    BONNY KATE (IRE)    8    10-00    Patricia Hunt    Noel Meade IRE
58)    COGRY    9    10-00    Graham and Alison Jelley    Nigel Twiston-Davies 
59)    SIR MANGAN (IRE)    10    10-00    Frank McAleavy    Dan Skelton 
60)    MYSTEREE (IRE)    10    10-00    Lynne Maclennan    Michael Scudamore 
                        
61)    MINELLA DADDY (IRE)    8    9-13    Roddy Owen & Paul Fullagar    Peter Bowen 
62)    BRAQUEUR D'OR (FR)    7    9-13    Corsellis & Seyfried    Paul Nicholls 
63)    RELENTLESS DREAMER (IRE)    9    9013    Nigel Morris    Rebecca Curtis 
64)    KNOCK HOUSE (IRE)    9    9012    Tim Leslie    Donald McCain 
65)    THE YOUNG MASTER    9    9011    Mike Burbidge & The Old Masters    Neil Mulholland 
66)    HENRI PARRY MORGAN    10    9-09    Ednyfed & Elizabeth Morgan    Peter Bowen 
67)    PHIL'S MAGIC (IRE)    8    9-09    Lyreen Syndicate    Tony Martin IRE
68)    ALFIE SPINNER (IRE)    13    9-09    Alan Beard & Brian Beard    Kerry Lee 
69)    DANCING SHADOW (IRE)    9    9-08    The Dancing Shadows    Victor Dartnall 
70)    ROGUE ANGEL (IRE)    10    9-08    Gigginstown House Stud    Mouse Morris IRE
                        
71)    OUT SAM    9    9-06    D Charlesworth    Gordon Elliott IRE
72)    KRACKATOA KING    10    9-03    J Harrison Lee & T Howard P'ship    Kerry Lee 
73)    GOODTOKNOW    10    9-02    Burling Lee MacEchern Nolan Potter    Kerry Lee 

73 entries remain following March 20 scratchings' deadline
27 Irish-trained
Report sixtwosix March 20, 2018 5:57 PM GMT
An awful lot of familiar Aintree horses left.

Shortlist now
Baie Des Iles
Rathvinden
Tiger Roll
Regal Encore
Road To Riches
Milansbar
Report Meat Loaf March 20, 2018 6:31 PM GMT
What do we think will be the cut off point? 52/53?
Report Bindaree March 20, 2018 7:43 PM GMT
Sadly another nail in the coffin of the GN thanks to Smith. As it stands just 17lbs between the top weight and bottom weight. A race now dominated by big trainers and owners on their ego trips. Quality much better ? Just look at some of the dross that he has given weights to so as they will be able to run and have their day out.
Report Rydal March 20, 2018 7:44 PM GMT
I would guess 48/50
Report dunlaying March 20, 2018 7:57 PM GMT
What has Phil Smith done wrong then Bindaree?
I didn't see much wrong with it this year .
Report sixtwosix March 20, 2018 8:02 PM GMT
It is a very uninspiring line up .
Wounded Warrior & Thunder And Roses run in almost every staying chase in Ireland
The Last Samurai , Ucello , Vieux , Saint Are , Lord Windermere  , Cause , Gas Line , Houblon  , Pleasant Company , Vicente .....all had their chance wont figure.
Report Bindaree March 20, 2018 10:54 PM GMT
The damage has been done in previous years by pandering to big owners by allowing the so-called better horses to carry less than the rating they have to the detriment of the good stayers who contest the other long distance chases. Of the 40 that are guaranteed a run 33% are owned by just 3 owners. A lot of the horses which he tried to attract weren't suited to the race and the prize money is the biggest attraction nowadays anyway.
Report PeteTheBloke March 25, 2018 11:15 AM BST
Is there a thread with a list of DOUBTFULs? Which 10+ horses are coming out for Vintage Clouds to get in?
Report PeteTheBloke March 25, 2018 11:18 AM BST
"Of the 40 that are guaranteed a run 33% are owned by just 3 owners"

That's a telling figure
Report sewter lives again March 26, 2018 7:05 PM BST
I think this is one of the least inspiring Nationals I can remember-probably due in part  to the reasons highlighted below by Bindaree

Looking at some of the entries it does make you wonder if they are just running to stop others from getting a run and they don't have realistic chances-a comment made by some Irish observers about last year's Irish National

Really struggling to find a shortlist of any substance this year.
Report layingisthewayforward March 26, 2018 7:24 PM BST
surely if there are loads of horses running with no realistic chance of winning it should be easy to come up with a shortlist?
Report sixtwosix March 26, 2018 7:28 PM BST
Agreed it is a very uninspiring line up ......not exactly 1994 with 3 Gold Cup winners, Whitbread winner , Foxhunter winner , Scottish National winner.

Was any reason given for The Dutchman going from on the bridle to totally going up and down on the spot at Haydock?

I do think the 2 women with rides on Milansbar and Baie Des Iles have a very good chance of creating history in this average field
Report sewter lives again March 26, 2018 7:38 PM BST
said I was struggling to get a shortlist of any substance

I think I have a couple with chances but we are still over 3 weeks away and have little indication of the likely ground
Report Bindaree March 26, 2018 9:12 PM BST
Or 2002 sixtwosix !! I think The Dutchman was supposed to have bled.
Report Bindaree March 26, 2018 9:34 PM BST
I don't think it's a case of "loads of horses with no realistic chance of winning". The problem is with horses such as Go Conquer who Jonjo O'Neill doesn't seem too sure if it will stay. Well if he doesn't know who is supposed to and why waste peoples money finding out if it doesn't. Why didn't he try the horse over an appropriate distance before entering it. He's not the only one. That's the problem with the National nowadays these trainers and owners throw a load of darts at the board and hope one hits the bull !!
Report GoldCupWinner March 26, 2018 9:43 PM BST
1 Minella Rocco - some good form, will stay but very dodgy jumper.

2 blaklion - didn't seem to quite stay last year, higher rating and carrying more weight won't help this time around.

3 anibale fly - career best performance last time, officially 9lb well in after that. Shapes as though will stay, bad fall 2 starts ago but jumped fine either side of that.

4 The last samuri - carrying more weight than when a gallant second two years ago, enjoys the fences but too high in the handicap.

5 valseur lido - well weighted on some old form, not sure he still retains ability and also a doubtful stayer.

Going to go through the whole card 5 at a time, as much as for my benefit as for anyone else but feel free to disagree. Struggling for a strong opinion this year.
Report Bindaree March 26, 2018 9:55 PM BST
Can't see anything to disagree with your assessments so far. I did say "so far" lol
Report woodmanchester March 27, 2018 8:10 AM BST
Bad rain here in the north west. Hope it's not a bog, being on Blaklion. My other main hope The Last Samuri. Think both could easily go very well indeed!
Report bexley March 27, 2018 11:06 AM BST
The ground is obviously a vital factor. My personal preference is to take proven stayers with light weights regardless but if its soft or worse then I just couldn't be considering those carrying 11 soneplus. I adored Many Clouds and consider him an exceptional national winner, bucking all the trends at the time. But despite him having soft ground form he walked home in 16th in 2016 carrying 11st 10.
Report bexley March 27, 2018 11:11 AM BST
I like Milansbar, Vintage Clouds and Gas line Boy as although they have soft and heavy form I think they could be competitive on better ground judging on their sires preferences. Raz de maree would also be there on the list but only on soft or worse.
Report sewter lives again March 27, 2018 4:49 PM BST
I would prefer a bog because Raz de Maree would be a great bet, even if 13, very few others would be capable of finishing let alone winning
Report Mully March 27, 2018 7:20 PM BST
The weather doesn't look very inspiring for the next 16-18 days. Aintree week it's less that 10 degrees and overcast every day. There will be damp and juice in the ground each morning I'd say.

I'm warming to Seeyouatmidnight, Raz De Maree, I Just Know & Milansbar. Would like to see Vintage Clouds get in but I don't think there will be quite enough defectors. Irish National will tell us plenty on Monday.
Report the bloob March 27, 2018 8:36 PM BST
I think I Just Know may have been handicapped out of it, put up a stone from the Catterick win
Report Bindaree March 27, 2018 8:52 PM BST
I really can't see how Seeyouatmidnight can win after it's Newbury run, it surely needs massive improvement in too short a time. Also can you really imagine Milansbar as a National winner, it just hasn't got the form in major races. It would need a lot of non finishers to prevail I think.
Report sixtwosix March 27, 2018 8:54 PM BST
Seeyouatmidnight did little last year nor on run recently.....another one to cross off.
Report sixtwosix March 27, 2018 8:55 PM BST
Milansbar as a National winner, it just hasn't got the form in major races.

It did win the same race as One For Arthur .....and won it easier .
Report sewter lives again March 27, 2018 9:02 PM BST
and would have won a Midlands National but for pilot error
Report Mully March 27, 2018 9:04 PM BST
Stays longer than the mother-in-law too
Report sewter lives again March 27, 2018 9:09 PM BST
Jumped superbly for Bryony at Warwick and she got the pace right too

Haven't heard whether she will be riding at Aintree
Report Bindaree March 27, 2018 9:14 PM BST
Nothing it beat in the Warwick race would ever threaten to win a GN and most probably none of them would even get in the race, plus it's been well beaten twice since.
Report sixtwosix March 27, 2018 9:16 PM BST
Mind it can only finish as Baie De Iles is going to win
Report sixtwosix March 27, 2018 9:17 PM BST
True , but all these staying chasers have pulled ups and also rans in their list.
Milansbar a big horse who will carry no weight and likes to be handy , should go well for a long way at least.
Report Bindaree March 27, 2018 9:19 PM BST
It didn't win the same race as One for Arthur the previous year because it was well beaten by One for Arthur. You can't compare the two, one was an up-and-coming young horse and the other is a veteran who has never reached the same heights.
Report Bindaree March 27, 2018 9:26 PM BST
You say it "stays longer than the mother-in-law" but the evidence doesn't back that up as it's been well beaten in every attempt at 4 miles plus.
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