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08 Apr 16 01:09
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Can't find s thread on last years winner to do it again?..but surely has every chance?..We will find out!..Gl
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Report grumpyjim April 8, 2016 9:07 AM BST
think many clouds looks the real deal for me , makes it look so easy .. distance and smaller fences . make it easier still .. Half or more will not be in sight coming into straight ....for me best since red rum ..Race has changed totally from rummies wins so hard to say winners in future are of the same stamp  .........what we see is how it is now  and move on to todays  game ..or tomorrows  in case of    ...GRAND NATIONAL....BEST WISHES TO ALL PLAYERS AND ENJOY OUR YEARLY ..FEAST >>>...............
Report sixtwosix April 8, 2016 10:30 AM BST
Softer ground than last year will make it harder to carry the weight.

The modern version of the race does not have the specialists coming back year after year and dominating the race.
This is no doubt due to the easier fences.

He clearly has some chance , but is dreadful value in single figures.
Report jasey April 8, 2016 10:56 AM BST
Can't see many finishing in front of him if he stays on his feet.
Report sixtwosix April 8, 2016 11:00 AM BST
I write a preview prediction on the 40 runners each year  marking them as probable , possible ,unlikely and no chance entrants.
He was one of four probables last year , the only negative I wrote was the hard races he had and whether or not they had left their mark .
Report jasey April 8, 2016 11:14 AM BST
He had better prep this year.
Report grumpyjim April 8, 2016 2:02 PM BST
price is slim but bother said he has a real attitude for jumping which is most likeable about him .last year it was  my second choice and foolishly went nap on saint are .. cursing for being talked out of it by reading the threads .. so no longer let others get to me but total decision myself from now on can do it for me to put my wrong to right if you see the point .. did have a real good bet on rummy first time it won .. this was a useless flat horse that was little good for anything ,..  these animals can be underestimated by many .. including an old hand like myself . so go on do it for me ...MANY CLOUDS .. THE OWNER BUYS TOP HORSES  REGULARLY OVER THE YEARS ...get well tipped in I of M ?.........?
Report crystalhunt April 8, 2016 3:02 PM BST
Has the Red Rum feel about it. Same age going for 2nd win. In good current form and has never fallen. One p/u and one b/d. Jockey going for his third win as was Brian Fletcher on Red Rum.
Carrying only one pound more than last year - can't ignore it.
Report crystalhunt April 8, 2016 3:02 PM BST
Has the Red Rum feel about it. Same age going for 2nd win. In good current form and has never fallen. One p/u and one b/d. Jockey going for his third win as was Brian Fletcher on Red Rum.
Carrying only one pound more than last year - can't ignore it.
Report Mooono April 8, 2016 6:37 PM BST
Best horse in the race, best jumper in the race, will stay all day, the jockeys won the last 2 nationals, why isnt he odds on please?
Report Mooono April 8, 2016 6:49 PM BST
And i know this is a slightly better race this year...But the only thing stopping him in my eyes is a loose horse cutting across, or being badly hampered by a faller in front of him. Never fell in his whole racing career! the 9 and 10/1 available tomorrow morning is a great price for me. I've backed a few outsiders as well but for me theres only 1 winner tomorrow.
Report betilyerded April 8, 2016 7:42 PM BST
Lets look at it from a cold handicapping point of view.
He goes into the Hennessy Nov 14 rated 151.
He then wins the Cotswold chase, 6th in Gold Cup then wins National.
Placed twice in graded company in 3 starts this season before winning at Kelso.
Is now rated 165.

So. Raised 14lb for winning a Hennessy, A Cotswold Chase, A National and a listed chase.

I think thats all you need to know. Moono sums it up perfectly.
Report m00ny April 8, 2016 8:54 PM BST
Do you not feel Saint Are could reverse the form this year, got pretty close last time and is 2lb better off compared to Many Clouds this year.
Report grumpyjim April 8, 2016 9:56 PM BST
lucky enough to stay out of plenty trouble  for ten minute .......will do fine ,...
Report Chanting April 9, 2016 12:48 AM BST
Many Clouds will rain in! A Handicap Blot. Lump On!!!
Report grumpyjim April 10, 2016 6:40 AM BST
so much rain changed the whole day come 5.15  starting time .
had a gut feeling as watched women scantily clad being soaked and all the brollies up  weeks of preparation was turning on its head ...
5 out of first 6 all from bottom half of the handicap and the 4 th placed from top half ,....was 66to 1 ..   after RAIN   .   ONLY 28 to 1       before rain came .. as shaun  would say a bad day at the  office .. SET  A OR   SET B ..  QUESTIONS  ..???
MANY CLOUDS BECAME  >>>>RAIN CLOUDS >> PINNED DOWN IN THIS HANDICAP.. LOTTERY ..............  ?..BY WEIGHT GAVE WINNER   ...17 LBS    ..TONS OF THE ........WET    STUFF ....????.....NOT ...GUINNESS >>>.DID EVERYTHING RIGHT as well ..  4miles 2  furlongs to carry all this burden  worse than spending to much at supermarket . ..Leaving yourself no BEER >>MONEY ..??
well done to connections of winner and young MULLINS .  for a great first ride ,,...never seen MR   RYANAIR ...????      .....................SPEECHLESS BEFORE THAT COVERED MY LOSSES .......?.
trainers want in with low weights ..  preferred ..fences are easy peasy now ,,  so LOTTERY .. is well named handicaps they are all weighted to pass post in line ....MMMMMMmmmmmmm....mmmm..NEEDS CHANGES ..for  next year ..

WELL DONE TO LIVERPOOL  ..will become serious challengers to  ....CHELTENHAM ...very soon .. Please Keep IT  to  THREE DAYS .............CHEERS ALL >>..............
Report Mooono April 10, 2016 11:50 AM BST
Yeah before the race after seeing that rain i thought he would have to be something extra special to carry that weight in that ground! I let all my bets ride on the beast, i had manyyyyyyyy bets on many clouds Love Ran a great race i thought, i blame the f*cking weather gods! they can give me a full refund when i go to the clouds in the afterlife. Better weather, a slightly lighter weight will see him regain his crown next year.
Report grumpyjim April 10, 2016 2:43 PM BST
was up to clouds in my ears as it kicked off ..almost a nap bet then heavens opened and said to my good lady well its all change now as punters are all soaked . yet suggested to her 2 weeks work goes to dogs again ..
back to drawing board . cursing light weighted horse that can go the trip ..  .. Gooney was my wet weather one included in original set up .. got it each way with masters men at 55 to 1 and 7 t0 1 .  willet snd spieth can recoup my stakes with a shade of luck if both hit inside 7 tops ..  SOFT GOING RIGHT ENOUGH .........LIKE MANY  YEARS NOW A BIT OF MYSTERY CREEPS IN  ...???
Report IrisDeBalme April 10, 2016 9:09 PM BST
was a strange ride to go from the front on top weight on heavy going... bit of a puzzler that... but clearly wouldn't have won either way as struggled on that ground...

Will still back him next year...but if better ground :)
Report ZenMaster April 11, 2016 9:42 AM BST
Why was it a strange ride, he took up the running just at the 19th fence.
He wanted to win the race, nothing wrong with the ride at all. Nothing strange either.
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